Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • dopey

    It was actually discussed here last night ref a report that Saad was outside the car when the shooter appeared or started shooting.

  • Pink

    I can’t believe BM would supply security or surveillance to AH from a bike so if he was interested in anyone it must have been SM or SM and whoever he was meeting which would appear to be someone in the car does anyone really think these people came to be in this spot by chance its a stretch IMO ?
    I cant say I think anything bad about AH nothing I have seen leads me to believe he was not a nice person but some factor in this got him and his family brutally murdered ,if what we have been told is true I would lean towards it being something to do with the wills and not to do with the brotherly dispute, allthough that may have made him change the locks because he was going to leave the house unattended .
    I dont see him doing espionage I suspect he was an asset they were living a life where he was good at what he did and he had invested a lot of energy into his setup at home and where Mrs AH was training to go back to work and something triggered him to need to go to France at short notice taking wills,passports and granny .
    If he was going for good he wouldnt bother changing locks and probably wouldnt take the bike either, space must have been tight with all those shoes and clothes etc .
    If he was going to exchange something with SM why bother taking the family at all with school about to start he had been to France before he could have said he had a job to do there and gone alone .
    One scenario I was thinking about after BB posted about about Nciss I hope thats right was if AH and SM had been called to do some job at short notice a deployment,that happens in Lille I think , AH needed to sort out the bank stuff before he left so they went as a family to spend a short time together before he went and give him a chance to sort out bank and wills at the same time , granny had come over to visit and had been due in Surrey after visiting Reading so she got included ,I cant think how that would get them all up in a remote carpark and murdered though any ideas ?
    I can’t really see what in that would get him and SM up in the lay-by

  • dopey

    Katie the new link is to th UFO story.

    And I’ve never seen a jet leave a perfect circle like that.

  • Mochyn69

    @Dopey
    19 Oct, 2012 – 7:38 pm

    You’re right about that, again courtesy of Pink who linked to this earlier report:

    Mercredi 17 octobre – Saad al-Hilli et sa fille aînée ont tenté d’échapper au tireur

    C’est un nouvel élément qui ne cesse d’intriguer les enquêteurs. Les conclusions provisoires de l’enquête en balistique et de la police scientifique viennent de déterminer que Saad al-Hilli, ce père de famille abattu le 5 septembre avec son épouse et sa belle-mère à Chevaline (Haute-Savoie) ne se trouvait pas à l’intérieur de son véhicule lorsque le tueur est arrivé sur le parking de Chevaline. Il a pourtant été retrouvé mort à la place du conducteur.

    Selon nos informations, Saad al-Hilli, 50 ans et sa fille Zainab, 7 ans, étaient sortis de la BMW pour une raison indéterminée quand un homme armé d’un pistolet semi-automatique a surgi à cet endroit. Pris de panique, le père et sa famille n’ont eu que quelques secondes pour réagir. Saad al-Hilli est parvenu à regagner son véhicule mais a été exécuté sur son siège. Sa fille aînée a, quant à elle, été grièvement blessée alors qu’elle tentait de fuir l’agresseur.

    Today’s report in le Parisien says they knew SAH was definitely outside because of the results of forensics on the soles of his shoes.

    (Edited version)

  • Katie

    Yes Dopey that’s what I wanted it to be, I thought the nuclear enthusiasts here might like to add their own theories. 😉

  • dopey

    Is SAH was the only one with anything on the soles of his shoes, when these family photos barely 30 mins earlier I assume that the others used their hover boards.
    …………………..

    If this report has any truth in it then I still struggle with the idea of him running back to the car without his daughter in tow. I don’t think a parent COULD do that, so there has to still be more to the sequence of events than that.

  • dopey

    The photo was apprently taken on a bus. Just incase I won’t be opening my door tonight if anyone knocks incase its a little green man

  • Felix

    warning bells…
    (BBC)
    “leaked provisional scenaro…to..Le Parisien..”
    Same newspaper which put out the dubious witness Philippe D.

    I asked Kim Willsher where she got D’s real name from, and she didn’t answer.

    Another choice piece from the “report”
    In panic, Mr Hilli reversed the car into a bank of earth surrounding the remote car park above the hamlet of Chevaline, the report suggests, trapping the back axel and preventing his escape.

    Utter tosh

    WHat of Sylvain Mollier, who holds the clue to this. What would his wife at the pharmacy know of his activities?

  • bluebird

    HAARP

    Could saad have worked for the HAARP projec?
    Rutherford and Elekta are perfect companies for HAARP and the UK is deeply involved in HAARP participation on a military area near Reading.

    The bangs and unpredicted eartquakes that werent any natural eartquakes and the mysterious colours in the sky are HAARP.

    Tgere are rumours since august that HAARP will be used for a deadly purpose soon. Many put HAARP into conspiracy but it exists. Dead bird? Not unusal but unusal with bangs and explosions in the skay connected.

    http://www.sovereignindependentuk.co.uk/2012/08/10/smoking-gun-the-haarp-and-chemtrails-connection/

  • dopey

    I’ve just read that DM article. At last the spotlight has turned on Mollier…or publicly I should say.

  • Pink

    I was typing a long post,its in moderation (probably because of my bad spelling) I am not into writing and when I get back your on UFO’s so I will tell my UFO story ,I was driving late one night and out of my side window I spot a spinning circular object complete with lights ,I was so excited and a little bit scared so I am trying to keep my eye on it and watch for somewhere to pull up and get out for a look ,when I do, I get out and it is just an airplane with two with very powerful flashing lights going on and off in turn I think they are laser lights or something and when viewed through the glass of the car window it made a perfect circular spinning object,if I had not stopped and got out I would have been convinced I had seen a UFO.

  • Katie

    You know what Straw, that vertical line looks like a join, like two photos joined in a camera ‘panorama’ setting.

    I agree the shape is like a flaw in glass though, alternatively some sort of vapour cloud ?

  • Katie

    Pink I’m pretty sure most sightings are realistically explained like that, but likewise why shouldn’t something/someone be checking us out like we are checking out space, Mars & the moon ?

  • bluebird

    Microwave lasers grilled bluebirds in the sky! F*ck Haarp.

    I need my rest. What a sad day.

  • Pink

    Space and space exploration is one of my hobbies so don’t get me started as I don’t shut up ,I believe that anything unusual flying will belong to us either under test or black-op I do not think we are being visited by aliens ,on the other hand I think the precursors to earthquakes and the study of that is an interesting study there is plenty still to be understood in nature .
    I am a huge fan of Nasa and although I am sure they don’t reveal all that they may have going on I am eternally grateful to live in a time when I can see so much of what they do and to get the chance to explore space from my armchair 🙂

  • bluebird

    Haarp in connection with al hilli and tge assassination of scientist bull was already mentioned in a french blog on sept. 17th.

    I missed that at this time. There was also an italian twitter message linking al hilli with haarp but it was removed already as well as all links were removed pointing to websites that linked sah with haarp. Just a rest on google search but no content left.

    Can somebody translate this and post it in english?

    Gérald Bull qui travaillait sur un « super-canon » et sur le programme Harp (devenu Haarp) a été assassiné pour les des raisons similaires en 1990.D’où la découverte des « vraies armes » de destruction massive (tout est là:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bullet ici : http://html2.free.fr/canons/saddam.htm).Mais peut-être que Bull avait accès à d’autres données sur Haarp.Lors d’un interview, il parlait de fournir cette technologie à tous pays du tiers-monde et à l’Irak en particulier.De là, à ce que Saad al-Hilli travaillait pour le programme Haarp qui utilise des satellites relais … il n’y a qu’un pas.Pour information, lorsque Kadhafi a déclaré la guerre à Sarkozy le 17 mars 2011, il s’en est suivi un belle période de chaleur et les ballets d’avions chemtraillant les cieux de nos belles villes se sont intensifiés.On peut donc imaginer que beaucoup de pays possèdent Haarp et il ne reste que quelques réglages à peaufiner pour en étendre les possibilités et la portée …Quid de l’Iran et de la Syrie …

  • dopey

    Gérald Bull that worked on a “great-canon” and on the program Harp (become Haarp) was murdered for the similar reasons in 1990. D’ where the discovery of the “true weapons” of massive destruction (all is là:http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bullet here: http://html2.free.fr/canons/saddam.htm).Mais maybe that Bull had access to given others on Haarp.Lors of an interview, it talked about furnish this technology to all countries of the third world one and to the Iraq in particulier.De there, to what Saad Al hilli worked for the program Haarp that uses satellites relay … there is only a pas.Pour information, when Kadhafi declared the war to Sarkozy March 17 2011, it himself while following a beautiful period of heat and the ballets of airplanes chemtraillant the skies of our beautiful cities are themselves intensifiés.On can therefore to imagine that a lot of countries possess Haarp and it remains only some adjustabilitys to refine for some to spread the possibilities and the reach …Quid of the Iran and Syria

  • Pink

    Dopey that info would be more helpful if they included where he was dragged from can we assume it was a different drag mark to BM moving him away from the front of the car.

  • dopey

    Pink it must be.

    The shooter dragged him to the front of the car.
    Then Brett dragged him away from it.

    Why would the shooter drag him in front of the car? I can only think it was to move him out of the way of the shooter’s vehicle. ..but if you’ve just topped someone why worry about running over them in your car afterwards?

  • dopey

    Unless Mollier (shot but not yet shot in the head) was dragged in front of the car as a deterrant to stop Saad driving off.

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