Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • bluebird

    This story sounds such comparable to what so many of us had researched so far. Who was in G.Bull’s team? Saad al hilli? Did his team really disappear. I hope that we come closer the truth with HAARP.

    I read about Bull for the first time but i thought that i read about saad al hilli. Just replace the names. Of course technology is far more advanced today. Please read that. It might open your eyes together with the message that SSTL is the source for HAARP in the UK and that HAARP is tested on a military base in reading. Add up the mysterious happenings in the sky during the past few days …..

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull

  • bluebird

    The said military base is said to be a secret one in Henley (berkshire).
    I have no idea whether or not there is a base nor what they are doing there because birds are killed when flying over. However, some other birds had told me that we shall have a look to Henley regarding HAARP.

    Had SAH contacts or links to Henley?

  • Tim V

    Yup “Straw44berry 19 Oct, 2012 – 6:39 pm” you could be right. My feeling is that the co-incidence is too great to believe WBM was merely an innocent bystander who just happened to “stumble on” what appears to be a professional assassination yet escapes unscathed himself. If, as has been reported (and as far as I am aware unchallenged)the British Embassy in Paris sent a team of twenty “military types” they didn’t think it was a conventional murder either. WBM’s evidence regarding the “Green 4×4” is scarcely believable, nor the fact that he claims he did not hear at least twenty-five pistol reports when only moments away. Then there is the confusion regarding the 3.48 call. What is strange about this is that it would have been easy for him to lie and say he made the call. No one would have been any the wiser. The fact that he effectively contradicted the “official French line” rather suggests the British have distanced themselves from it, without overtly saying so. Another reason it seems likely he had some sort of Government role is the way he was ushered out of the country (we don’t know how) without any French objection, his services and professional background and distinct impression he is getting discrete government protection from public gaze. My guess would be that either he was detailed to tail Mollier or had been informed of a meeting to observe. I get the impression what actually transpired genuinely shocked him if the Didierjean evidence can be believed. I notice on the most recent BBC report (19.10.12) “Christian Fraser says the leaked report does not dispel French police’s current working theory that the gunman was local and a “lone wolf”.” When linked to the many other examples of misinformation and blunder it increases the possibility of French government involvement.

  • bluebird

    And then again comes into my mind:

    “if you knew what he was working on, then you know why he was killed”

    Gerald Bull! Of course. Everything seems to be so logic now. We even have a link to Sweden and Bofors with Gerald Bull. He was the missing link.

  • olifant

    This may be factual re SAH or perhaps mistaken linkage.

    Safaa M Al-hilli in Sweden is related to Saad al-hilli? Do they both have initials SM? “Materials Science and Engineering R 56 (2007) 1–129”. “New materials for micro-scale sensors and actuators An engineering review” Stephen A. Wilson, Renaud P.J. Jourdain , Qi Zhang , Robert A. Dorey , Chris R. Bowen , Magnus Willander , Qamar Ul Wahab , Magnus Willander , Safaa M. Al-hilli*, Omer Nur , Eckhard Quandt , Christer Johansson , and 15 others (* Physical Electronics and Photonics, Physics Department, Gothenburg University, SE-412 96 Gothenburg, Sweden)email given
    And is S M A Al-Hilli the one from Claygate? part author of INDRIS, Navigation / ICT, 2001 report. Which is a similar subject to the 2006 EU MarNIS project, authors Gabrile Mocci and Saad Al-Hilli, Telespazio S.p.A. – Italy, mentioned before, a broadband platform via satellite/wireless to provide a maritime information network,
    INDRIS Inland Navigation Demonstrator for River Information Services. The project is a joint venture between national public authorities, the transport industry, the ICT-industry and research institutes from Austria, Germany, Belgium, France, Italy and the Netherlands. 144 pages Date: 12.01.01 Author(s): I.A.A. ten Broeke DGG/AVV, C.C. Glansdorp- Marine Analytics B.V./ Global Maritime B.V., C.P.M. Willems- AVV, S.M.A. Al-Hilli – Affinity & Associates B.V.
    http://www.transport-research.info/web/common/fullsearch.cfm?q=hilli

    If Saad al Hilli authored major published reports in 2001 and 2006 on satellite information systems for maritime transport, this must have been one of his major interests. Not very helpful in relation to Chevaline though…

    Sun, 22 Jul 2012 SSTL announces the successful launch of exactView-1
    Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL) today announced the successful launch of exactView-1 at UTC 06:41:39 into a sun synchronous polar orbit of 800km by a Soyuz rocket from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.
    The 100kg exactView-1 is expected to be the highest detection performance commercial Automatic Identification System (AIS) satellite ever built and the fifth deployed satellite in exactEarth’s advanced vessel monitoring satellite constellation which will provide near real-time AIS data on the locations, speeds and routes of vessels throughout the world’s oceans.

    This search result of ‘SMA Al-hilli’ probably leads ?nowhere:
    BehailuTessema
    Manager, Sma al hilli gen.main.co.L.L.C
    Al ainAbu Dhabi – United ArabEmirates
    3 contacts
    Professional experience
    Manager, Sma al hilli gen.main.co.L.L.C
    2007 -–2010

  • bluebird

    Who was in Gerald Bull’s “now disappeared” HAARP team?

    Saad al Hilli?
    Jean Yves Mollier?
    Nicholas Mockford?
    Name a few others ….

  • olifant

    apologies correction Saad al Hilli could also be Saad Khadim al Hilli ie S K al Hilli but not S M A al Hilli

    so my previous link to 2001 maritime network report is invalid
    but what of the ‘Saad al Hilli’ who co-authored the 2006 MarNIS report? And SSTL can now give automatic identification of all ships everywhere – how useful to some would it be to jam / interfere with this?

  • Tim V

    Good digging “Olifant”. Even using Google Earth gives an impression of how detailed the terrestrial pictures can be from orbiting satellites. I raised the possibility back along that if Al Hilli’s work and meeting were considered significant enough its not inconceivable that his movements were being monitored from space. If it was important enough for a mass killing it might well have been important enough to monitor. It would provide an alternative way of explaining how they knew his precise location, other than bug or conventional following or meeting by arrangement.

  • NR

    @Katie 19 Oct, 2012 – 12:32 pm

    “NR. Yes interesting, I saw that the usual container for transporting is a lead lined container too, do I take it that although 600 kg sounds a huge amount, there is little bulk , the weight is in the density rather than size ?”

    That’s exactly right. And for U-235 enriched to 90% the mass required is only 51 kg and diameter 17 cm. For plutonium-239 it’s 10 kg and 9.9 cm.

    There’s a table here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass_(nuclear)

    If anyone has a dark sense of humor, it links to several accidents where material went critical, like the time in 1945 when somebody was holding two sub-critical plutonium hemispheres apart with a screwdriver, which slipped. Ooops! Bad outcome.

    Note: Don’t anyone go use the Wikipedia table for building your own homemade bomb. The agencies would put wrong info there, so it will go off to soon – fizzle – and make a mess of you and your neighbours.

    @Mochyn69
    “I think we are living in interesting times, dangerous times.”

    I always thought the saying, “May you live in interesting times,” was a wish of good luck, until I was told it’s a Chinese curse. To me, a curse would be, “May you live in dull times.”

  • Tim V

    For what it’s worth a few observations: First, in the aerial photo of car taken on 6.9.12 it is clear there are a couple of shots to the drivers side of the windscreen and to both sides of the car. Most of the shell casings were found on the far side and under the car apparently, accounting for EM’s update from fifteen to twenty five after the car was removed. It is noticeable that the boot door is open but no one has stated whether this was done by the police or if the car was found this way. An open boot when the doors were locked might suggest something being accessed or transferred. The pattern of window shots makes it very difficult to see how Zainab would have survived if she had been in the front seat. Mrs Al Hilli must have had just enough warning from the first shots, to secrete Zeena under their legs and bags. If reports are correct that all three adults were shot in the “middle of the forehead”, it must mean they faced the gunman on both sides of the car. The location of the spent cartridges provide the police with useful clues as to location of the gunman and the type of weapon, as different models have different ejecting trajectories. Having suggested the “Skorpion” with “convenient links to “Serb Paramilitaries” on very little evidence, there can be no reason to withhold more reliable ballistic evidence can there?

  • Kempe

    In relation to what?

    I’ll tell you one thing. There is no relation between Project Harp and HAARP. The former was a ruddy great gun designed to fire stuff into orbit. the latter is an antenna array about which a lot of drivel has been written by the tin foil hat brigade. A ballistics expert such as Gerald Bull would be of no use to the HAARP team whatsoever.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_HARP

  • Tim V

    At the press conference the next day Eric Maillaud said the following as translated by ITN. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=v8K7L4n2UYI&feature=endscreen 6.9.12)

    “What we can say now is that 3 of the 4 were hit by projectiles – bullets to the head. After THREE HOURS we became aware of the existence of this little girl. The authorities while trying not to disturb the scene of the crime started by combing the area and then arrived at the vehicle and then some ten minutes later discovered this little girl immobilised, terrified, inside the vehicle behind the front PASSENGERS, under the legs of the dead women, under her skirt over travel bags, completely invisible and mute, which explains why no one saw her earlier”.

    Of course it was actually eight hours between police arriving and discovering Zeena, so this three hour period must relate to the period from the arrival of the specialist team from Paris. The eight hour delay is therefore presumably the five hours for the team to arrive, plus three hours of “combing” before entering the car. The eight valuable hours thus lost, may have been more significant than just the delay in finding Zeena, serious as that was,in that these were hours of light. Presumably detailed work did not actually start until the next day because of it. It also in consequence whether intended or not, ensured more time for the perpetrators to make their escape, before possible vital clues were discovered.

    Then there is the reference to “front passengers” (note the plural). Does this refer to Zainab or someone else? If Zainab was in the passenger seat it would mean she survived the shooting and got out after it stopped, but before the killers departed. This vital information must now be in the possession of the police from her own account, if she is able to recall.

  • Tim V

    Another strange throwaway line of Mailland relates to little Zeena and may or may not be significant. He says on the video at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9529137/France-shootings-three-year-old-child-identified-her-family-confirms-French-prosecutor.html 6:40PM BST 07 Sep 2012

    “The younger daughter, a four year old girl, was found unharmed after spending eight hours hiding under the bodies in the back seat of the car, and was questioned by police through a British translator. She was unable to give any significant information as she ‘heard everything, but saw nothing’, Mr Maillaud said. “When the carnage began she (Zeena, 4) was sitting between her mother and the older lady, she ducked and hid under her mother’s legs. She doesn’t bring much to the enquiry”

    As at that stage only Zainab was unconscious, only Zeena (who we have seen “was unable to give any significant information”) and the perpatrators would be party to Zeena’s whereabouts in the car. How did the Prosecutor come by it? From what source?

    A useful indication of the position of Mollier and Zainab plus bike and bullets is given by the French AFP station at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_wYhPUQlgM&feature=related. 16 bullets shown on ground outside driver’s door but in truth, we know not how reliable this or the other indicative information is.

  • Tim V

    Finally, as regards the matter of the “Green 4×4”, it elicited a very strange comment from Maillaud and a stranger reaction from the policeman by his side. At another press interview. He says the following:

    “He (Martin) saw a 4×4, a green 4×4”. (Answering an interrupting question thrown at him he replies) “What make?” “You can’t imagine someone who is going up a hill would remember that!” (Officer by his side smiles) “We don’t have that information. All we know is it is a 4×4 and it’s green. And that he also saw a motor bike, nothing else.” (At http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfXSTKuFCc&feature=relmfu Sky News 8.10.12
    )
    The fact that what goes up, has of course to come down, and was described by Martin at different times as doing so, cannot have escaped his notice, nor the fact that a speeding SUV, even if not observed on the way up, can hardly have been ignored on its return. Nor that it appeared strange that a trained fighter pilot, after witnessing such a traumatic event, should remember so little?

    Am I imagining it, or does the smiling policeman speak volumes as to the reliability of the story and they knew it? Check out the video and decide for yourself.

  • NR

    @ Katie 19 Oct, 2012 – 7:41 pm
    “What on earth WAS this? Man photographs ‘UFO’ floating in the clouds moments before ten dead birds appear in garden”
    @ bluebird 19 Oct, 2012 – 9:02 pm
    “Microwave lasers grilled bluebirds in the sky! F*ck Haarp.”

    Many years ago, microwave frequency radar was already powerful enough to burn holes in clouds, and of course to fry anything that flew into the beam. No idea what microwave powers are available now, much higher I’d guess, or maybe that technology maxed out and lasers are what’s current.

    (A minor quibble – microwaves and lasers are two different things. Microwaves, like in a microwave oven, are frequencies above television broadcasting, and lasers are higher than microwaves, optical frequencies from infrared through visible light and on up to ultraviolet. Both can heat and melt things, and bounce off things, as in Radar and Laser range-finders for distance.)

    There is much research on high power lasers to destroy satellites or incoming ballistic missiles. An intersection of nuclear and laser research is the use of a nuclear explosion to pump the laser – that is, excite the lasing material so as to create a powerful laser beam – which requires enormous amounts of instantaneous energy.

    There is no relation between Gerald Bull’s HARP project and the current HAARP work, though it’s possible some of his old crew worked on both. Recall them testing one of the super-guns in Barbados, though at the time did not know of Bull.

    I’ve heard the conspiracy theories re HAARP, but it seems unlikely that project, which uses High Frequency band radio waves, way below microwave and even television broadcast frequencies, would have much effect on the lower atmosphere or weather. That’s what the official project page says and they wouldn’t lie I’m sure.

  • NR

    @ Q 20 Oct, 2012 – 3:58 am
    “@NR: Imperial College London has made a discovery regarding masers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maser
    My bet’s on lasers aimed at TGFs as a WMD.”

    I’d forgotten about Masers; thought that was old tech. Whatever tech it was, or even non-tech, like lists of operatives or contacts or Saddam’s bank accounts, SAH must have held high-value secrets, even if those were not the cause of the massacre. There is no other explanation of the intensive finger-search of SAH’s house, including drilling holes into the walls and inserting cameras. Plus the freezing of the crime scene and reported arrival of people from the British embassy in Paris by helicopter. And the unusual black-out or manipulation of all press regarding this.

    Nothing similar was done at the home of SM, no drilling in walls, or agencies over at his home (as far as we know).

    Another oddity, there are no early TV news helicopter pictures. Did the French declare a no-fly-zone over the crime scene or was it too dangerous to fly at night? In the earliest photos we’ve seen the sun is high in the sky. Perhaps the news helicopters had images of the scene before the bodies were removed and didn’t show them because the pics were “too morbid” as the judge ruled with the happy family snapshots. But usually TV would show those and blur the victims.

  • straw44berry

    Bluebird,
    Great find re HAARP and SSTL, my question is they seem unrelated SSTL is primarily launching small satellites and HAARP uses a ground array.
    UNLESS the ‘swarm’ of nanosatellites that SSTL is planning could create HAARP from orbit, a weapon able to cause an earthquake anywhere on the planet.
    I assume currently, the ground array would need to be close to the location of the desired earthquake.
    Maybe I am way out of the near future here but suddenly I think that in the wrong hands setting off an earthquake here:-

    http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/

    ….would be a threat greater than any other.

  • straw44berry

    The article dismissing the tsunami risk can easily be pulled apart:-

    THEY SAY: The “The block dropped 4 meters in 1949”!.
    The suggestion that ‘the block’ of rock (25km long, 2-3km deep and 15-20km wide) suddenly sank by 4 metres in 1949 is an absurd lie. Just one look at the coastal villages of Puerto Naos, Tazacorte, El Remo, Bombilla and Playa Nueva is enough to disprove this ridiculous lie. These villages are all situated just above sea level and would have disappeared under the sea.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tazacorte,_Santa_Cruz_de_Tenerife

    Tazacorte has an average elevation of 60 metres and therefore wouldnt disappear under the sea with a 4 metre drop.

  • Felix

    Mockford also went under the name Nicolas Moekford in Belgium:
    more detailed story here
    http://archives.sudpresse.be/neder-over-heembeek-drame-car-jacking-mortel-rue-de_t-20121016-H44NRF.html?queryand=moto&firstHit=0&by=20&when=-1&sort=datedesc&pos=7&all=28050&nav=1

    “they had something to celebrate” “two men wearing motorcycle crash helmets” “four shots fired, two to the head”
    “Carjacking” but they didn’t take the car….
    Must have forgotten about it.

  • bluebird

    Straw

    HAARP is often used in conspiracy for weather and eartquakes. This is conspiracy.

    However, HAARP exists and it is part of orbit defense and orbit war. Just imagine you could blow up satellites with a weapon placed on earth?
    How would war look like today without gps? How would ships or airforce maneuvre without satellites? How could military communicate without satellites?

  • bluebird

    Felix

    Gerald bull worked in belgium before he died and he was assassinated in brussels, too.

  • Pink

    With thanks to Shushu on MZT’s site a posting of this french video with some new information about a meeting can someone tell us what is said please .
    I also noticed on the picture of the recovery truck that there is something in front of the BMW possibly the bike ?
    The animation of where the bodies were only seems to show two people in the car I thought that was odd.

    http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-we/tuerie-de-chevaline-un-mois-apres-le-mystere-reste-entier-7572605.html

  • straw44berry

    Bluebird,
    I think your satellite destroying weapon from the ground is as much a theory as the earthquake creating ability.

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