The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
I’m sure you found this too Straw:
Al Hidayah Group of Companies (DAR AL HIDAYAH)
No.27, Jalan DBP, Dolomite Business Park, 68100 Batu Caves Selangor
Tel: 603-6185 3002, 6185 7006 & 6185 4009
Fax : 603- 6185 9006
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Forget that, this is more likely:
22 Audio CDs in Durable Vinyl Travel Album.
Dar al Hidayah Agency Production & Distribution , Jeddah, Saudi arabia
This is a complete audio CD recitation of the Holy Qur’an, in Arabic, from the world-renowned Qari from Saudi Arabia, Shaykh Saad al-Ghamdi.
BMs original testimony suggested he thought SM had broken down on the bike – puncture? didnt it. Are they trying to complete the circle with this info?
Katie,
My thoughts were that it was probably a gift to him and seldom if ever used, maybe for his travels.
Was this shot fed to the photographer to paint a picture of Saad? How often do press photographers in any case get to get shots of contents in transparent evidence bags?
@ straw44berry 21 Oct, 2012 – 11:07 am
“Felix, Thanks for the photo of the evidence bags
I think this is very revealing actual photos of collected evidence, I dont believe British press would have printed this photo”
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/police-investigate-three-leads-in-brutal-alps-killings/story-fnd12peo-1226473050062
On the same page, there’s a pic of police cutting into a vinyl sack which is suspended on or secured by wire or cable. Sticking out of the sack is what looks like an old electronic circuit board, with many silver colored loops or clips mounted on it. Anyone know what that is? Could also be a jewelry display board with earrings or?
That book is by a Sunni extremist :
“Recently a senior Wahhabi scholar Saad bin Hamdan Al-Ghamdi , from the Saudi University of Umm Al-Qura harshly criticized the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar for his recognition of the Shia Ithnaashari Islamic School of Thought.”
http://www.taqrib.info/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241:al-azhar-rejects-wahhabi-call-to-denounce-recognition-of-shia-islam&catid=38:2009-08-31-05-02-22&Itemid=66
NR.
When the photo is enlarged you can see writing [ names] beneath each clip, its a storage board for something.
They look like spring clips to me.
Agreed Straw. I have never seen a photo of evidence in UK papers.
I’ve seen photos before of the police bringing tagged evidence bags out of a victim’s house before (Jo Yeates) but never seen photos like that which seem to have been taken inside a house.
Looks like a bit of board with 8 Terry Clips fixed to it. Something home made to store tools on some such I would guess.
http://www.alwayshobbies.com/UserData/root/Images/Products/000630_0.jpg{w=330,h=330}.th
@Dopey
I think the photos are taken at ground level underneath a car, probably the Transit Van. U can clearly see the edge of the metal doorstep on top of the two pictures.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/police-investigate-three-leads-in-brutal-alps-killings/story-fnd12peo-1226473050062
@ katie
What makes you think it was written by an extremist? As far as I can make out it is simply one of the main books of Islamic law and in fact seems to be pretty liberal.
Kathy, read up on Wahabbism…perhaps you’d prefer fundamentalist or conservative, means the same though ?
I was reading here about the German schoolboy who was hit in the hand by a meteor in Essen in 2009 , and we just had the same thing happening in West Jutland on October the 9th at 15.30 EST (BST+1) [How does this time correlate with your knowledge of meteor sightings?], when a 51 year old German tourist was hit in the foot. At first the police thought it was a shot from a nearby military exercise. But this has now been ruled out. The exercise was 4 kilometers away, and the object was only 2 mm wide, and came from above at a 70 degrees angle.
{http://nordjyske.dk/nyheder/mysterium–ukendt-genstand-ramte-turist/e832272f-ea6d-4e47-8856-6242b6b4a47a/2/1513}
<strong<Fragment's origin unknown to the police. I will contact them
I thought myself when the news broke that it could be a [fragment of] a meteor. But reading on here how rare these events are, and seeing today how the police chief has no clue, I think I will email him with that 2009 story I saw here.
Så kom der pludseligt et gigantisk brag, og et par sekunder senere, da jeg så ned på mine støvler sko, kunne jeg mærke stærke smerter, siger Sabine Selent.
“Then there came a thunderous noise, and a few seconds later, when I looked down at my shoes, I felt a great pain”, said Sabine Selent.
Its the same noise that the schoolboy heard [from the breaching of the sound barrier by this supersonic particle]
‘Then there came a thunderous noise, and a few seconds later, when I looked down at my shoes, I felt a great pain’, said Sabine Selent.
Its the same noise that the schoolboy heard [from the breaching of the sound barrier by this supersonic particle].
This story runs and runs. New details of Molliers glasses and bicycle pump and SAH standing next to Zainab in (“Serb paramilitaries”) PETER ALLEN’s article in yesterday’s/today’s(?) Daily Mail.
PUBLISHED: 22:07, 20 October 2012 | UPDATED: 13:50, 21 October 2012
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220780/Alps-shooting-Schoolgirl-orphaned-massacre-standing-father-killer-struck.html#ixzz29wSdSp2P
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Also the motor cyclist story without attribution or location. Is this a re-hash of a very early report from farm further up the mountain? In any event it adds they are not accepting any comments on this article. Very strange for the Daily Mail unless actually sub judice is it not?
Also I see Mollier’s injuries are back to “up to seven” bullets. This is what it started at and then back to five including the head shots over which there was some doubt whether it was one or two. Why after so long the indecision and in the light of this why was the body allowed to be buried and not kept in refrigerated storage for the time being. There are elements to these events that are simply inexplicable. And no one apparently is able to get a convincing answer to them. Given the authorities reticent to say almost anything meaningful or significant, I think we should be very wary of any facts that are allowed to “escape” as they carry the aura of news manipulation.
Mossad arranged this meeting and contracted the execution out to some ruthless guy, who could also be Israeli — they have plenty as you know — but it could also be someone from the Balkans. Motorcycle with helmet is excellent because no one could see his face. Surely this would be the easiest.
I was previously speculating about bike(s) heading east over the pass to a waiting car, but this would be 1) slow and 2) risk meeting other cyclist, where a dismount would be necessary to fake a pee in the bushes, to avoid having the face recognised. All a passing cyclist could say them, is: “I saw another cyclist stopping for a pee in the bushes, his back towards the road”.
Of course the possibility of a motorbike heading east would be possible but he was bound to meet cyclists on the way, who — although they couldn’t see his face — could report a motorcycle had gone that way.
Of course whenever the term motorbike is invoked in connection with physicists and Iran, we immediately think of MEK – who has around 10.000 people living in Paris, and who carried out those disdain attacks on Iranian physicists, and perhaps also Iraqi?
Either it was a MEK man on motorbike– like it was against the Iranian scientists — or it was someone from the Balkans, or it was simply an Israeli without subcontracting it to anybody, which would also be safer.
Killing to birds with one stone (Mollier and Saad – who came to this meeting arranged by the Israelis) — and not worrying too much about collateral damage — fits perfectly with what we know about Israeli cunning.
But whether or not the Israelis were involved directly, they were indirectly, because the Iranians would not have an incentive to acquire a nuclear weapon aem>[supposing this is what they want – the IAEA and the CIA in their latest reports say they don’t] if it weren’t for Israel, and the threats directed against Iran.
Nuclear weapons are the ultimate defensive weapons — no one in their right mind would attack a country that posses them, and this is the reason why countries want them. The Iranians are very clever and it is highly likely that they have figured out that a nuclear weapon at this point would not be in their interest, instead they just want the possibility at one point to be able to build them, like Japan and numerous other countries have.
I can’t help feeling you are going to be very disappointed when/if we ever get to hear who is guilty of this crime , Kenneth.
He won’t believe it. Even if the police produce cast-iron evidence that it was a lone nutter or a domestic dispute people who have already made up their minds it was Mossad will just cry “cover-up!”.
These Police will never do that and that’s the only thing about this case I know for certain.
It doesn’t matter who they say were responsible, because I know who the real culprit are, and I assure that if that colony had been shut down in, say, 1965 (yes even in 2011 – in which case the whole middle east street would have been over joyous) these beastly attacks in the middle of Europe would not have happened.
The whole terrorism scare (which is the reason you have to take tour shoes of before bording a flight) wouldn’t have happened.
@NR: Link to Daily Mail no longer working. That’s usually what happens with stories like this.
@Q see comments above – it’s html not htm
Still here
@Katie – I can’t agree with you about the sunglasses. All of them? It’s like a uniform.
Seems like the police/secret services are getting panicky that they haven’t (and now won’t be able to) put this one to bed, so are inventing new details which would have been apparent at the outset. Like the bike pump. Not that there is any evidence to show ANY bikes were present.
Going back to the National News (US) piece about Al Hilli being identified by a press agencey, Sipa (How bizarre is that???)
“The girl was found totally immobile in fact on the floor of the vehicle, behind the front passenger-side seat, under the legs – under the skirt – of one of the women who were killed, around a large travel bag, totally invisible and silent — which explains why no one saw her before,” Maillaud said.
a) what was in the large travel bag??? Has this been disclosed?
b) compare with the Guardian report 7 Sept: It was not until almost eight hours later that police found the second little girl cowering in the footwell in the back of the car under the legs of the dead women…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/06/french-alps-shooting-two-girls
c) compare Telegraph report 6 Sept
The little girl was discovered hidden beneath the legs of her dead mother…
{http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9524537/France-shooting-Father-named-as-Saad-Al-Hilli.html}
So we assume the dead mother, Ikbal, also had a long skirt? It has never been confirmed what she wore by campers – only what the grandmother wore. Clearly not a short skirt!
“It doesn’t matter who they say were responsible, because I know who the real culprit are..”
Yeah. Screw the evidence. I mean who needs it?
Thank you for proving my point.