Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278

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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Felix

    Martinet:
    to repeat
    http://www.camptocamp.org/parkings/278469/fr/le-martinet
    Altitude: 779m

    Longitude: 6° 13′ 27.28″ E
    Latitude: 45° 43′ 43.85″ N

    https://maps.google.com/maps?q=+6%C2%B0+13%27+27.28%22+E++45%C2%B0+43%27+43.85%22+N&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=45.729835,6.224463&spn=0.004156,0.006899&sll=38.718042,-95.116434&sspn=37.786288,56.513672&t=h&z=17

    It ties in with the aerial TV shots of the police cars, the rising ground and the ascending forestry road to the east.

  • Tim V

    Question: what did the twenty “military types” sent from the British Embassy actually do? Has anyone asked. Has anyone provided an answer?

  • Tim V

    the one photo of the car from the air used by the Sun in its latest – top left i assume is body of Mollier covered. no sign of bike on this one and why only this photo of the many early ones that must have been taken?

  • kathy

    Why all the publicity about searching the house of the al Hillis as though they are trying to imply terrorism? Not just any old search either but carefully searching the hedge and putting stuff in see-through bags as well as allowing photographs while at the same time not showing photographs of the family. It is all manipulative.

  • kathy

    By contrast to the al Hillis, Mollier is a mystery man with no interviews with neighbours, friends or workmates and not one single official photo of him.

  • Felix

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  • Felix

    @Kathy
    I guess the see-through evidence bag was a deliberate plant, not carelessness, but then why wasn’t the propaganda (Koran in CD form, perhaps from the Hajj??) used by the UK press?? I have no idea.

    @Bluebird
    I don’t know what to make of weather modification – a bit like race-specific targeted disease.

  • kathy

    Felix

    Maybe they are just trying to build a scenario by innuendo but it is still a work in progress. The UK press are probably awaiting their instructions while the script writers are busily concocting their story.

  • Keltrava

    Glasses and bicycle pump found together would suggest that Mollier was in possession of pump when felled. e.g. using the pump as a weapon. Maybe someone has information about the suitability of a modern cycle pump as a defensive weapon. Don’t believe its officially been said that bicycle had puncture before everything started.

  • Felix

    @Keltrava
    yea, it’s recommended in a dog attack on a cyclist to stick the pump down the animal’s throat. Not helpful against guns though.

  • straw44berry

    Thanks Felix,

    I have been following the Scotland Yard site almost from the beginning but it is only in the last 24 hours that I have noticed the site’s inspectors commenting. Their belief in the press releases seem to have vanished completely too now.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Assumption (for you – I know it):

    It was Mossad who arranged the meeting between Saad and Mollier. Mollier could have lived a double life/be a double agent, and could havce a feeling of what could happen, whereas Saad was carefree and smiling just before the shootings.

    Now I will ask for your help in figuring out what the Israelis could have said to them both in order for them to show up in this remote place. Although we in Denmark are as clever as them, I personally get a headache by trying to figure it out [and remember that dozens of Israelis worked together in plotting this, so its hardly surprising that it is so difficult to crack] but if we work together*, we might be able to crack it.

    *)Its like the SETI project were several individual computers work together in looking for extra terrestrial life. Certainly certain lifeforms in what is in effect the worlds last colony [With only one ally (plus Vanuatu and the Marshall Islands) on the face of this Earth – but maybe in the heavens?] seems a bit extra terrestrial to me.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    If Mollier was a double agent that’s also the reason why William Brett Martin doesn’t speak too much about him [in this murky intelligence world, they deal with these things in private, hidden, not giving any clues away about someone who occasionally worked for the UK/US/Israeli side, but who nevertheless needed special attention in the cycling club, where but WBM and SM were members, and in the lead up to that meeting in the car park.

  • NR

    @ Felix 22 Oct, 2012 – 2:11 am
    “@Kathy – I guess the see-through evidence bag was a deliberate plant, not carelessness, but then why wasn’t the propaganda (Koran in CD form, perhaps from the Hajj??) used by the UK press?? I have no idea.”

    What if the whole Al Hilli family was working for Israel? It explains Gary Aked, unasked, pushing hard the idea SAH was virulently anti-Israeli and the CD set of the Koran conveniently in view in the evidence bag. Wasn’t there some other remark that one of the Al Hillis, “Had a Koran open on the table”?

    This extreme notion is going off the old story of Richard Kelly Smyth who violated export laws in selling 800 krytron triggers to film producer and Israeli agent Arnon Milchan’s import company in Israel. The US tried to convince Smyth to roll on Milchan and when he refused they charged him. Whereupon Smyth and his wife Emilie absconded to either (a) Israel or (b) Switzerland, in 1985, where they were supported by “friends” until they settled as “retirees” in Malaga, Spain. Smyth was vice president of the American Club in Malaga. In spite of an Interpol warrant they lived there openly until July, 2001 when they were extradited to the US.

    The Al Hilli patriarch, Kadhem al-Hilli lived a comfortable life in a small apartment in Avenida Mejico, in Mijas, Malaga, where he had moved from England after his wife’s death some 10 years earlier. No source I found gives an exact date for his move to Malaga, but it’s just possible he crossed paths with Smyth, or if not him, another contact. Is it possible Malaga is a hotbed of retired spies as Dubai is for active ones?

  • Katie

    The relatives are getting upset with the French now.

    “A relative of the al-Hilli family, who were shot in the French Alps in September, has accused French prosecutors of focusing too heavily on their deaths at the expense of the wider investigation.
    In doing so, he claims, officers have so far failed to present enough evidence to solve the case.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9624867/Too-much-focus-on-British-family-in-French-Alps-shooting-tragedy.html

  • NR

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/09/saad-al-hilli-chevaline-assassination.html

    “The Tinners, Friedrich and his two sons Urs and Marco were part of a nuclear smuggling gang. “In pushing forward charges Swiss Magistrate Andreas Müller in December 2010 had attacked his government for having ‘massively interfered in the wheels of justice by destroying almost all the evidence.’ Less attention was however given to allegations of CIA break-ins in Switzerland, and an ‘unexplained decision by the agency not to seize electronic copies of a number of nuclear bomb designs found on the computers of the Tinner family.'”

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Is this thread ever going to get serious about who killed Slyvain Mollier, Suhaila al-Allaf, and Mr. and Mrs. al-Hilli, and why?

    We have gone through all kinds of red herrings about what happened, and evidence that can be used to support them, but without anything of merit.

    Order in which a massacre takes place, the weapons used, the timing of the shooting and its aftermath, etc., ad nauseam really lead nowhere.

    My favorites in the obfuscation are that no one was killed – all were extracted in some kind of Operation Northwoods – the order in which they were killed proves everything, and the alleged weapons used show really who did it.

    Now that all the victims have been buried, and even the investigators admit that it is almost impossible to determine the order in which the victims died – though it wouldn’t prove anything important anyhow – we can now move on to possibly more productive lines of inquiry to determine what really happened.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    I hope you’re all familiar with this option

    Go to Google News and type “Chevaline” and then expand the 45 hits:

    {https://www.google.com/news?ncl=d71dfiKS9MAIk4M7nYbZaDG70i6HM&q=Chevaline&lr=English&hl=en}

    Amongst others the BC has published something on the topic within the last hour.

  • Katie

    Kenneth, its a French farce, news items are contradicting each other, the police have said they do ‘not’ know who was shot first, I’d be more inclined to believe them than the prosecutor whom, it is rumoured, does not have a good relationship with the police.

    Too many reputations are at stake here & I think they’re all trying to compete with each other. I wish the UK police would speak out !

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