The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Felix
I dont care about the conspiracies of artificial earthquakes nor about weather.
I posted those links to confirm the relations between Exxon and HAARP. Exxon and BP are the major funding HAARP companies. that is why i posted those links (mockford).
We already know that SSTL was cooperating with NASA in the HAARP research. So we have a link between SSTL research and Exxon technical department.
I know I’m probably way off the mark for several reasons, but will mention it anyway. A bicycle pump can be used to increase the pressure in a car tyre. It’s apparently hard work and takes a long time, but it can be used.
I have a question – why do newspapers keep wanting to show the Police? searching the drain for evidence when the location means it is just as likely to have discarded cigarettes from photographers who for days were filming by the police cordon. In the background you can see the sign saying road closed to traffic except for access in 3km.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221152/Familys-grief-Alps-murder-victims-buried-side-seven-weeks-murders.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
As far as my thoughts go, it is one of the least relevant photos. All it shows is that the Police were willing to think about getting their hands dirty by investigating a drain some distance from the crime scene.
According to the BBC piece — published this morning — which link I provided earlier, Ikbal’s uncle Dr Ahmed Al-Saffar has given an interview on BBC Radio 4 Today. He sounds like a genuine chap in that BBC piece, I would like to hear him, as I’m sure you would. this would be the first time we hear a relative speak.
Sure some of you savvy natives can help come up with a link to that . Or Bluebird has of course taped the whole thing when it was aired?
I did see your post, Katie, and wondered if there would still be posters who thought it was all just a most complicated charade.
Think that the thread should only permit posters which assume or acknowledge this:
1. This was a most deliberate massacre where all persons at its site were the intended targets.
2. Mollier and Saad were murdered because of some plot they were involved in, perhaps even unknowlingly, most likely helping the Iranians catch up with the West while limiting its ability to damage what Tehran is attempting.
3. The killers, which included BM, were doing the dirty work for Israel – to make sure that Iran didn’t get what they were attempting – and two of them were hitmen.
4. The 4 X 4 looks like the escape vehicle in which at least three of the international kidon were travelling. Two of them could be hiding in the car while the third one was driving.
5. Once the 4 X 4 got out of the area, the three of them were in the clear, able to make their way to some international airport, most likely Paris, and get back to Israel.
6. Still suspect that one of them is William Hershkovitz, explaining why the Israelis are trying to make out now that he committed suicide when he was cornered in that kitchen, as it is a most convenient way to cover up a real mess, and why disinformers mistakenly refer to WBM when it is only BM.
Please add or eliminate any erroneous assumptions.
Re; Monkford’s assassination.
Did Bluebird see this which I posted a day or two ago…….notice the word force ?
“The dispute over oil contracts is part of a broader battle between Baghdad and the KRG over oil rights, territory and regional autonomy that is straining Iraq’s uneasy federal union.
Iraq’s Shi’ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has asked U.S. President Barack Obama to force Exxon to pull out of West Qurna.”
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/exxon-may-exit-from-south-iraq-oil-project.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32836&NewsCatID=348
Yes, Thow. The Israeli organisation could get hold of such a green 4×4 forresty vehicle, perhaps stolen from some other part of France, say one year ago, and kept in a storage, and then transported to the scene.
Felix,
THe signifigance of the spectacles and pump found together suggests an altercation in which Mollier was using the pump as weapon. No doubt the pump tested for any foreign DNA however the killer could have become enraged from getting struck by pump. Certainly would add to any profile of the killer.
I disagree with 3 & 6, Trow. I have never thought Israel is involved, the whole thing smacks of a hired assassin not a professional working for any state. In other words I believe it to be more personal.
Nor do I believe BM is a killer,I think he was meant to be a guardian…….
Felix
That is what i have in mind as a reason:
http://defense.aol.com/2012/04/23/frickin-laser-beams-why-the-navy-needs-lasers-vs-china-and-ir/
Katie: mockford had nothing to do with oil field selling nor with politics. He was a technology expert for exxon. Not the departement that is dealing with rights for digging oil.
But who can come up with what the Israelis said to Mollier and Saad, in order for them to go to this remote place.
Most honest people are reluctant to into such depths of deceit and exploit. I for one cannot do it. And yet it has to be done by someone in order to solve this mystery. Sherlock Holmes would have ventured into it, used as he was to battle the dark forces.
OK, thanks BB.
Actually, BB, second thoughts here, did the killer get the wrong man then ?
– BREAKING – BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING- BREAKING
Found it, at 8.36 a’clock this morning
{http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9762000/9762096.stm}
Trowbridge,
However much you believe that my opinion that extraction of the family is still most likely, my obfuscation is completely overshadowed by the French/UK inability to release a fact that a few days later they dont change.
-number of shots to each person changes more than the weather
-number of guns depends on whether its day or night
-primary target maybe the Police will introduce another body they have only just discovered in the woods 10 feet from the BMW a la Philippe D
-bicycle pump is first mentioned on day 46ish of the investigation
need I go on?
More on the satellite based laser weapons
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/xrl.htm
Quote
Neutral Particle BeamIn July 1989, the Beam Experiments Aboard a Rocket (BEAR) program launched a sounding rocket containing a neutral particle beam (NPB) accelerator. The experiment successfully demonstrated that a particle beam would operate and propagate as predicted outside the atmosphere and that there are no unexpected side-effects to firing the beam in space. After the rocket was recovered, the particle beam was still operational. According to the BMDO, the research on neutral particle beam accelerators, which was originally funded by the SDIO, could eventually be used to reduce the half life of nuclear waste products using accelerator-driven transmutation technology.
{ http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/space/lectures/lec18.html
Kenneth that has already been posted. See my links.
The name is Trow, Kenneth Sorenson, and you can be as sarcastic as you like but at least two witnesses saw a dark 4 X 4 Pajero, with British plates, leaving the scene, and on the way to Lyon.
Sounds like a great cover for what was really an Anglo-Franco- Israeli murder conspiracy.
Lyon could provide El-Al travel to Tel Aviv or even Eilat, but Paris seems like a safer arrival/departure site.
Police should be checking both airports, especially El-Al flights, to see if three persons, including a woman, were travelling out of there after the massacre, especially Bill Hershkovitz, and checking the kids about whether he was one of the bad men.
Don’t see how anyone can just rule out the Mossad under the plot’s apparent circumstances.
No, Katie– you have NOT posted any links to this Radio Four snip, aired at 8.36 BST this morning. This is so recent that it would be alltogether atypical of you to be this quick. I repeat: you have NOT posted any links to this Radio Four snip, I was the first to do it.
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{http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9762000/9762096.stm}
Kenneth,it’s in my links.
“Today, Iqbal al-Hilli’s uncle Dr Ahmad al Saffar has paid tribute to the family, and accused the French investigators of focusing for too long on the wrong aspects of the crime.
“I think the French prosecutors focused on the family without presenting any evidence,” he told Radio 4.”
I heard the interview on R4 this morning.
Here is the link to i-Player. It’s 2:33 mins in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b006qj9z/console
Sorry, more haste, less speed.
@Kenneth Sorensen
22 Oct, 2012 – 7:57 am
‘Now I will ask for your help in figuring out what the Israelis could have said to them both in order for them to show up in this remote place.’
Speculating here, as I did way back on one of the earliest threads on here.
SAH is a British asset. His minders tell him, ‘Saad,old boy, you’ve been busy lately, under a lot of pressure, why don’t you take the wife and kids on holiday to France, just meet this guy over there for us, he’ll tell you where and when .. there’s something we want you to do. Don’t worry, it’s all perfectly safe, we’ll have someone with ‘nurrrrrves of steel’ to watch you’re back, you’ll be okay.’
SM is a CIA asset. Via LaRouche’s Solidarite et Progres, which is a bunch of left wing environmentalists, but it isn’t, it’s an extreme right wing, anti-semitic, fascist cult,but it isn’t that either, it’s a CIA front.
UK and US don’t want to fight another one of Israel’s wars,especially in the year of the US presidential election so they set up a covert operation to bag SAH and SM, take them out, put them on trial, show their determination to the puppetmasters they mean business and the covert operations are succeeding in slowing down Iran’s nuclear ambitions, so no need to go to war.
MI5/6 and/or CIA are as leaky as hell, have a sieve to Tel Aviv, could even be via our old friend Werritty or his like, and the Mossad think, like hell you will, we’ll bag them ourselves, just to be sure. So set up a hit squad to finish them off.
SM, being the man on the ground, with the local knowledge, or possibly RAF man, selects the venue. Most unlikely SAH could, in my opinion. The whole thing kicks off when SM arrives. So he is key. Whatever the reason, someone wanted him very dead.
CM posited something very similar at the very beginning of this thread, Anders and a number of others supported it, and whilst I personally still have an open mind, I have seen nothing to incline me towards rejecting this hypothesis.
Of course there are other theories, but none seem to fit all the circumstances as we know them.
Sorry Trow,
I missed your 9.36 am post
What did BM do so that Police on arrival didnt suspect him?
Why did they not check the car thoroughly on arrival –
Saving lives > Protect a crime scene
If no British/French involvement I think investigation would suggest Mossad line.
The only suggestion of Mossad apart from the MO was the D-Notice.
World press has been told what they can and cant print in this case.
Stories of family photos that they can print, order of shootings they cant prove unless they release the details of blood on SAH’s trousers & Zainab’s soles.
Why dont some editors stand up for themselves and release a simple 2 line update : -there are family photos taken up to 33 minutes before the shootings but we arent allowed to print them.
No they splash big stories once more when there is actualy no story.
French/British police have suggested lone gunman / 2 gunmen / changing primary targets.
Why do we still not have photos of 3 of the 4 supposed death victims?
My thought was because they are still alive and will be able to live anywhere.
I hadnt considered the possibility of relatives of Saddam Hussein being involved.
Was Zainab’s ‘injuries’ intended? Or were they exaggerated? The shooting of her shoulder and skull fracture was not mentioned on the radio interview with the family member. Her suffering and Zeena’s were spoken about like they were the same type – a traumatic witnessing of what happened.
I still hold on to the ‘good man’ becoming a ‘bad man’ scenario in the shooting. Strange when there isnt a ‘good man’ to start with.
Mochyn
Tell us more about why you believe that laRouche are a CIA upfront. I agree with you that they are as “left wing” as the national socialist workers party NSDAP of pre WW2 germany . However, there is always just a very small gab between far right and far left in ideologies.
However, i would like to hear more about your CIA link. That would solve a riddle if it were true and confirmed.
Have I missed the news item where 1000 press men were released from their 30 days in prison to suddenly start printing stories once again in this hot case?
Oddly enough to coincide with the funerals that they knew nothing about 2 days ago.
If they knew about them then wouldnt they have been announced.
I dont see Zaid’s son paying lip service to these funerals.
M.
Yes I see it that way but for Mossad, it’s too shambolic for them with children etc, there’s another high powered individual who would ‘want’ Iran to continue with a deal/smuggling from Cezus & he has Mi5 links. Fact.
He knew all that you say about AH & BM but he also has a grudge against the Al Hilli’s father from the Bagdad days.
So, he gets rid of the two agents , satisfies Iran & his own grievance………….Good work.
Double agent , Bluebird & I have mentioned his name a number of times.
@Bluebird
22 Oct, 2012 – 11:15 am
I’ve posted this a number of times in relation to The European Workers’ Party (Swedish: Europeiska arbetarpartiet, EAP), the Swedish branch of LaRouche. Sweden, ring a bell anybody?
Here’s a link:
‘The movement was established as the European Labour Committees (ELC) in 1974 by two American LaRouchians, William “Bill” Jones and Michael Vale. Bill Jones had lived in Sweden since 1968, as an apparent Vietnam war deserter. The movement started to build its organization around the young Swedish student Kerstin Tegin, later Tegin-Gaddy, and her American husband to-be Clifford G. Gaddy. However, the party never became much bigger than a handful of people. During this period, Sweden was one of the few countries that openly harboured and encouraged American GIs in Vietnam to defect, and it is often insinuated that EAP was set up in Sweden by the CIA in order to label the defectors as left-wing extremists.[1]’
[1] ^ Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet, August 2, 1976, on EAP and Kerstin Tegin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Workers_Party
Thanks P_ for the link to I-Player, where the interview with A-Saffar is 2 hours and 33 minutes in [a bit difficult to find], in this Today programme that runs from 6.00-9.00. It was good to hear the report by Paris correspondent Christian Fraser immediately afterwards.
Another possibility is to listen here:
{http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9762000/9762096.stm}
Soon all of this will disappear, which is why I’m going to record and save as a MP3 file [I use the excellent Totalrecorder, one of the only pieces of software that I’ve ever bought, but there are other programs out there], which I can put on a website (and then link to it on Icke for example).
Thanks P, for once the iPlayer worked for me.
I know this sounds heartless, but listening to the good doctor describing the thought of this kind of murder as unimaginable etc, made me think he can’t be serious ….. he’s an Iraqi, murders of this nature are many, frequent & worse.
I wonder if the police have let the thought of an honour killing cross their minds ?
Does anyone know which hospital the two girls were born ?