The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Cyber war
The Navy and Air Force are developing seperate ‘kinetic energy’ weapons that use this principle. The Navy version is a replacement for the Tomahawk. The Air Force version replaces nukes. The idea behind them is simple, a large tungsten rod flying at tremendous speeds that hits with the energy equal to a small meteroite. The Navy version is launched from a ship, of course. It will pack enough KE to destroy buildings and hardened bunkers. The Air Force version is a tungsten rod dropped from a satellite that hits with the impact force of a meteor or small comet. Total devistation like a nuke, but no radiation. The problem you brought up is the same that the navy and Air Force is having. The rods that they use are tungsten to handle the high heat. They have fold-out fins for manuevering and just enough electronics onboard to enable GPS guidance. The problem is the sudden accelleration destroys the electronics at speeds that are too slow to be of any use for a kinetic energy weapon.
And it is getting smaller:
http://m.spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/devices/engineers-unveil-particle-accelerator-on-a-chip
Read the last paragraph of the link above.
SAH was working on particle accelerator lasers and xray lasers for elekta and rutherford labs he obviously was an expert in laser technology.
Kenneth Sorensen
22 Oct, 2012 – 9:35 am I usually listen to Radio 3 exclusively. For some reason this morning I tuned into Radio 4 on impulse (co-incidence or what?) just in time to catch the interview with Dr Ahmed Al-Saffar. In the somewhat stilted but nevertheless fluent cadences of an Iraqi, he expressed very calmly an understandable outrage with the way the French Prosecutor had publicly stated the focus on family as suspects, before any real evidence supported it. The interview with the BBC reporter in Paris (sorry I didn’t catch his name) was wheeled on to general apologetics for the French investigation (“family always the first line of investigation etc) and of press encouragement. Hopefully the tide is turning and this blatant and intention misdirection of public opinion will stop.
Yeah, yeah, he’s an Iraqie and bla-bla-bla. 1) He has lived in England in many years (although I have to say his english is not that good, but its a known fact that a second language just get difficulter and difficulter to learn after the age of about 15). <em<[Let's see: Brother of Ikbals (age 47) father, he is 50-60 years old is my guess] and 2) Its his own family which’s struck. not by one murder, but by tree and with his two nieces left parentless
Above post was in response to Katie
Sorry to repeat the question but the recent sun article states Brett Martin was employed by BOEING. This was new to me. Did any one else spot it and know anything about it. If true it’s a significant link to America to add to EADS and BAE Systems and Areva. Oh and does anyone have any information on the 20 military types reportedly sent from Paris Embassy. What were they for? What did they do? They couldn’t have all stood around eating ice cream.
Sorry, Katie, but I just don’t see how your theory joins all the dots.
I know what you have said about Mr unmentioNAble and Le Cercle and there certainly could be some mileage in that.I don’t rule it out
But what on earth could an ‘honour killing’ have to do with it? or the hospital where the girls were born?
Seems like you’re distracting again to take the heat off your beloved Mossad.
Kenneth I think you’ll find he’s the one living in Sweden…his accent also had some swedish twang about it [ I thought].
As for it being ‘his own’ family that was struck, well yes , that’s what an honour killing is.
If any member of the family had thought AH was batting for the opposition wouldn’t they be angry ?
Do not underestimate the resentment many Iraqis have about our invasion of their country,this family but not all members may have wanted it in theory,but in the event it was a bloody shambles which carries on to this day.
Sorry about this, I know you want it to be Mossad. 😉
M.
The mention of honour killing had nothing to do with my theory.
It was just something else which should not be ruled out.
I would put money on you being not far out Mochyn69
22 Oct, 2012 – 10:59 am as many have thought from the beginning. The misinformation put out by the French authorities and failure to concede even the chance of this involving either industrial espionage or have state backing shows either a high degree of naivety or complicity in my book.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/news-opinion/annecy-shootings/49682/saad-al-hilli-killing-was-french-cyclist-primary-target
Bye all. If I don’t come back you’ll know why.
Tim, if ‘they’ get you, they will stuff your head full of propaganda to bring here. 😉
Is that Gary Aked in the funeral pic, the tall one with white hair, on the left with glasses ?
@Tim V
22 Oct, 2012 – 1:12 pm
Did you notice this little titbit from 12 September?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9537332/MI6-boss-visited-Israeli-Prime-Minister-to-urge-against-attacking-Iran.html
Was the SAH and SM story intended to be the intel crown jewels to help dissuade Bibi from going to war on his own?
@Katie
22 Oct, 2012 – 1:05 pm
I think your theory that it was the Iraqis who are the bad guys just lacks any kind of geopolitical context at the present juncture and is therefore less likely. And to put KS’s question another way: ‘what could Mr unmentioNAble have said to them SAH and SM in order for them to show up in this remote place.’It just doesn’t quite fit.
Yes that’s what you thought, Katie. but remember we have seen Gary before, in that photo from the moving van – and no white hair there. No the one on the left you refer to, is in all likely hood a police man, judging by his insignias on the chest.
Well at least there seems to be a little bit of progress where the press are concered…since the 1000 journos were released from jail as Strawberry put it lol.
The family have kind of spoken out, and the press are reminding people of the lack of any details (and implied secrecy?)surrounding Mollier.
mochyn,
katies theory about the london based iraq weaponry dealer group is substantial.
You do question what he could have said to them?
well, I tell you one thing what somebody could tell to somebody and I bet that 99,999% amongst all of us will be there then, whether or not the meeting point would be in the middle of the forest, on a lonely island or even in the ductwork of Paris. We’ll all be there and waiting for somebody to come.
The simple setence would be: “You’re going to receive cash. $$$$”.
is that the Ahmad al Saffar who gave the interview?
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=18758737&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=6KPT&locale=en_US&srchid=8
Kenneth, that early photo of GA was years ago.
M, I think BB has answered that question.
Also, remember that Mr X has substantial links to the US so your CIA link may not be so fanciful.
I am sure that I had seen that Asian guy standing on the left side on the funeral pictures before. Likely I saw him on some of the pictures on “linkedIn relatives” regarding the al Saffar or al Hilli family. I believe that I had even mentioned his name here on that board, but can’t remember when and in what kind of connection I had mentioned him. He did not seem to be very important to me. Must have been about the end of September.
Bluebird, remember an easy way to search. Click on “view all comments” at the bottom of the “conundrum” page, and when loaded, go to “Edit” in the browser, and then to “Find”, and type in “Bluebird” and you can quickly go to the end of September to find that particular Asian.
yes, kenneth. thank you. I shall do that. Will this search both forum topics or just the new one? I have no clue how to open the old one. no link. I guess that this was in the old one.
Interesting find:
You may purchase a 7.65 Luger at Christie’s in London.
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-fine-luger-765mm-model-2009486-details.aspx?intObjectID=2009486
Straw44berry, sorry I missed your 11:10 post.
The fact that BM found the bodies doesn’t get him off the hook by any means.
It’s one of the best ways of throwing investigators off.
Just recall the mysterious killing of Gudrun Loftus after she went to St. John’s College, Oxford to mee someone there, in October 2010 as I recall, about what the publication of the Afghan Log by Wikileaks was causing, especially the murder of colleague Gareth Williams.
She was then found by someone in a pool of her own blood at the bottom of those steep stairs leading up to its Senior Common Room – a person who has never been identified, and the killing was quickly forgotten about.
Then Professor Steve Rawlings, a noted astrophysicist, and great enthusiast of Colin Dexter’s murder mysteries there, got smothered to death when the College’s Senior Lecturer Dewinter Sivia had an argument with him after a banquet at the College’s Great Hall, last January as I recall.
It doesn’t take much imagination to suspect that Sivia was the one who found her body, and killed Rawlings when he made too many probing questions about it.
Then there are the British plates on the apparent getaway car.
In short, the Brits are up to their eye balls in this.
And solving the murders requires much more than just deconstructing the crap pooped out by the coopted investigators.
Just look at what the deconstruction of the Warrren Report, and the 9/11 Commission’s Report has resulted in!
Just Google: “al-Hilli conundrum”
or see it here — all 34 pages assembled in one!:
{http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum/?showall=1}
Well, I have listened and read today’s news and it does nothing for my views at all.
FUneral organised by the Iraqi embassy?? Is that for the Iraqi citizen from Sweden? (about whom the Swedish Press was completely silent??)
I found Ahmad al-Saffar totally unconfinvcing. He didn’t question the release of the names, just said he allegedly found out about it on his laptop. Some of us are amazed the name was found and released so quickly. Why isn’t he? The UK ambassadors were there in Grenoble…surely they were consulted? Perhaps he ought to address his complaints to the UK foreign office.
He says the two girls are both fine, then later he says they are very traumatised. Contradictory. He complains so much has been written about the family.Well, it hasn’t really. The people who really know about his work activities at SSTL, and in Crawley are silent.
It stretches credibility that he doesn’t seem to know what is going on the the police investigation “we don’t know” , meetings “not very often” “now and then” “not much detail”.
No mention of SWEDEN, DENTISTRY
And of course, the children were kept away from the funeral. Whence the vivid reporting of the funeral – were there reporters at the graveside?
It’s all very bland and the BBC is not asking any serious questions as usual.
He complains the press is focussing too much on the victims. He doesn’t tell us what he thinks should be the focus.
A waste of time.
And the BBC is not curious not a single photo of Saad’s wife or the Swedish grandmother has ever been seen. Surely Dr Ahmed could have brought one of Mrs Al Saffar from Sweden.
….and what a load of guff from Christian Fraser afterwards; “lone wolf gunman” “going to burn the car and everyone in it”
@Mochyn
Very significant spot about the Sawers – Netanhayu visit. Perhaps they were discussing the killing/s at Chevaline.
It’s true Felix, the BBC are either staying schtum or they are too preoccupied with themselves IE: Saville.
I suspect it’s the latter.