The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Yeah, and now in the radio interview he says he saw people “with holes in their heads”. Odd way to describe people with their brains shot out. Anyone ever see Pulp Fiction? “Brain Detail”???
Cattle have been easily kemped by the hasbarics, very much easier than blowing the smoke away from the huge smoking gun that was the WTC7 !
@Anders
Well done for getting something sensible on P1.
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And that last comment was in reply to you (though I think you’ll’ve worked that one out!)
@Straw
Now you’re talking…
According to the D Notice (which as we all know doesn’t exist, except that the papers are adhering to it, even though it doesn’t exist, so they can’t know what they are adhering to, quite remarkable really) he was into nuclear weapons research (shhhh) and had links to Iran (shhhhh) and links to the secret services (shhhhhhhhh). And Mossad most defintootently didn’t do it, so don’t even speculate. No sir-ee bob.
So… I think we’ve covered 2, 3, and 4… but where do they do nuclear weapons research, exactly???
No obituaries for the Al Hillis either. Normal, an Iraqi culture thing, or…?
Do you not think that we can find out what Saad was into. Real proof. B*gger the papers they arent doing this.
We have a decent skillset at times here and a fair number of people willing to āferretā pun intended.
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We already have.
His brother said the murderers were influenced by SAH’s work.
So read the 4 DA notice provisos and you get your andwers.
Which we all, as a group, have verified.
BINGO! š
@Kathy
I have enjoyed your contributions and hope you come back. James can be really annoying.
@James
Apologise nicely there’s a good chap. And stop winding Kathy up. And please please please stop rolling the blog… By all means ask and share thoughts etc but it’s really been a lot the last few days. Some will agree with you and some won’t. Posting facts, references etc helps, like that link to the Telegraph article showing how all Iranians get interviewed by CIA and possibly recruited in Dubai, that was very interesting.
I love the outlandish mainstream media theoriesā¦
I love the way they require us to believe impossible thingsā¦
Like with JFK, we must believe in a āmagic bulletā which changes direction all by itself in mid-air, causing several injuries including a broken bone, surviving intact and unscathed.
Like with 9/11, we must believe that two steel-framed skyscrapers self-destruct after having relatively minor fires lasting less than an hourā¦ while knowing that one of these towers had had a much worse fire previously and had not collapsedā¦ and that not one steel-framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, not even ones that burned for 24 hours or moreā¦
Like with the Al Hillisā¦ we must believe that there was no D Notice, yet all the mainstream media unanimously and suddenly decided not to publish anything that would have broken the D Notice if it had existed, which it didnāt, so they could not have known what not to publish aboutā¦ we must believe that a single lunatic killer using an extinct weapon managed to get his remaining victims to sit still while he reloads his weapon, sitting nicely just waiting to be killed ā¦ we must believe that Mossadās Kidon ākillā teams do not use 7.65mm weapons, and do not have two shooters per teamā¦ We must believe that people hearing automatic gunfire are actually hearing a pneumatic drillā¦ or are hearing hunters, despite hunting season being closedā¦ we must believe, we must believeā¦
āWhy, sometimes Iāve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.ā ā Alice in Wonderland.
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SUPERB POST!!!
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” — Buddha (563BC-483BC)
Cattle have been easily kemped by the hasbarics, very much easier than blowing the smoke away from the huge smoking gun that was the WTC7 !
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“Those who know the least obey the best”Ā
Ferret.
I don’t deal in “what colour hat was Al Hilli wearing” !
Anyway… check this out
http://www.thestate.com/2012/09/29/2460929/iran-condemns-us-for-taking-group.html
Hmmm. A terror group off the terror list !
So says America yesterday !
According to the D Notice (which as we all know doesnāt exist, except that the papers are adhering to it, even though it doesnāt exist, so they canāt know what they are adhering to, quite remarkable really) he was into nuclear weapons research (shhhh) and had links to Iran (shhhhh) and links to the secret services (shhhhhhhhh). And Mossad most defintootently didnāt do it, so donāt even speculate. No sir-ee bob.
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Hey ferret
You posted this as I answered straw’s question
We are exactly on the same wavelength
We have all the answers already
Fiction is based on reality unless you’re a fairy-tale artist, you have to get your knowledge of life from somewhere. You have to know the material you’re writing about before you alter it.
“Is all that we see or seem, but a dream within a dream?” ~ Edgar Allan Poe
The official Iramian News Agemcy put it rather better !
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dirna%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1W1ADFA_esES480%26biw%3D1067%26bih%3D442%26prmd%3Dimvns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=fa&u=http://old.irna.ir/News/Politic/Firouzabadi,-US-has-resorted-to-al-Qaeda,-MKO-for-low-cost-war-with-Muslims/80348458&usg=ALkJrhjkwfD398v9K2FGxH_x1zBLkGVe3Q
Dopey,
Thats why I suggested us writing one and putting in the local papers breaking the D-Notice to see if they would let us or tell us they cant print it.
Anyway…
Proof, proof and more proof !
Who knows what…we’ll never know.
I believe its about “Nukes and Iran”.
Sa’ad is the networker, Mollier the nuke advisor and “a another” Iranian.
Who’s side they were on…who knows.
But it’s either Hezbollah that’s done the deed (side A)
or Mosad that’s done the deed (side B).
We’ll never get to the “which one”
But that “silent war” goes on…and on…and on…and always will.
No obituaries for the Al Hillis either. Normal, an Iraqi culture thing, orā¦?
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“The history of the world is the history of warfare between secret societies.” ~ Ishmael Reed, Mumbo Jumbo
Good idea, Strawberry. See if you can get them to tell you “we can’t tell you why we can’t print it” – or words to that effect, that’ll be a dead giveaway.
And yes, Anders – same wavelength!
š
Strawb wants hard data on SAH’s work aka nuclear weapons research… where do we get that from?
James, don’t forget Iqbal
And please say sorry to Kathy
Proof, proof and more proof !
Who knows whatā¦weāll never know.
I believe its about āNukes and Iranā.
Saāad is the networker, Mollier the nuke advisor and āa anotherā Iranian.
Whoās side they were onā¦who knows.
But itās either Hezbollah thatās done the deed (side A)
or Mosad thatās done the deed (side B).
Weāll never get to the āwhich oneā
But that āsilent warā goes onā¦and onā¦and onā¦and always will.
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‘You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.’ – Morpheus in The Matrix.
The D notice says:
1. No mention of his links to security services
2. No mention of his links to Iran
3. No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
4. No speculation regarding Israeli involvement
If 1,2 & 3 were talking about Saad and Sylvain wouldnt it be worded ‘their’.
Suggests that Saad was into all 3.
We have all the answers already
Fiction is based on reality unless youāre a fairy-tale artist, you have to get your knowledge of life from somewhere. You have to know the material youāre writing about before you alter it.
You mean, like… lasers… hafnium?
= SILEX in the dream?
But if you cut the blue wire…
Kabooom?
OMG we are soooooo on the same wavelength!!!
People are going to say we are the same person in a minute!!!
š
“Strawb wants hard data on SAHās work aka nuclear weapons researchā¦ where do we get that from?”
Try the visa section at the consulate in Dubai !
Or even the chaps he met on hs pigrimage !
Or in The Iranian Cuture and Sports Club in Oud Metha, Dubai !
…or even the guys that arranged for Mollier to meet Sa’ad and Co !
@anders @ferret I agree entirely in your theories. What we are missing really is the why
Ferret and Anders are the same person !
@Straw
Exactly! We know about SAH’s links to Iran (via Iqbal, visit to Qom) and links to SS, but not about links to nukes… now we go find… Anders says we already have all the pieces… just trying to work it out…
The D notice says:
1. No mention of his links to security services
2. No mention of his links to Iran
3. No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
4. No speculation regarding Israeli involvement
If 1,2 & 3 were talking about Saad and Sylvain wouldnt it be worded ātheirā.
Suggests that Saad was into all 3.
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True.
They are VERY precise when issuing these protocols.
@James
I got in before you!
š š š
Ferret
I got in before you!
Read yours…and culdn’t resist it. Ho Ho Ho.
James pissed of Kathy who got the hump and left. I think he should apologise… maybe he will when he calms down a bit. I hope so. He’s a gent underneath all the bluster and bravado. There’s something between them that creates friction, James is very cryptic and it winds Kathy up. Katie as you say is a horse of a different colour…
@GuyF
I think James is v close on the “why” (11.24pm) but he doesn’t know what SAH and SM were selling
“I think he should apologise”
You are having a laugh aren’t you !
“James is very cryptic”
I “kinda” expect that I don’t eally need to explain such basic facts.
Do I ????