The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
I am doing my best to make up for Sweden’s lack of interest in the massacre, as this link shows:
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=53523&hl=
I don’t know if it’s significant or not, but the latest Daily Mail articles (from yesterday re Mollier being shot first, then updated this afternoon) aren’t allowing comments.
“sorry we are no longer accepting comments on this article” or words to that effect is in place, with zero comments showing.
@Katie
I could ask better questions of the Swedish Mr Ahmad Al-Saffar than the BBC. What does he know of Mrs Al-Allaf??
@Trowbridge
I notice someone already trying to close down your thread, JulieLou40n which is a sign you are on the right track.
However, I am worried that you are so easily satisfied by the funerals and the rather scant coverage. This is deep state stuff.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2122702_alhilli_family_buried_after_french_alps_shootings
Work colleagues and one neighbour at the funeral.
Just a question. What do you think about the Keshe foundation?
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/introduction/the-kf-center/123-events/312-the-second-international-presentation
At the first view it pretty much looks like one of the many conspiracy theory fraud websites. Immediately I would be keen of putting that website and reports into the same garbage box like all those Roswell UFO websites. On the other hand, when I notice the release dates of their conferences (Sept 6th, Sept 21st conferences) and taking into consideration the things that SAH worked for and that this is of Iranian origin, I was thinking about to focus a little bit more attention towards that issue. What do you guys think about that?
If somebody claims that he had solved all energy problems in this world then of course many people who are making their money with traditional energy and with weaponry dealings might become pretty nervous.
While researching something about the Keshe foundation, I have also found these two quite interesting youtube clip about the fears of EMG (electromagnetic) bomb.
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v7wd6uaq0&feature=related
Note the wrong (updated) name of the allged Iranian spy who was interviewed in that report given as Reza KHALILI ….
There is a second clip explaining how the EMG bomb works:
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSmpI3emA1w
THe EMG is no conspiracy and that threat exists for real. The Keshe thing is pretty weird (in my opinion) and I don’t trust a single letter from that website. It’s just the matter of events we had discussed here on this forum compared to the dates and locations they had released that makes me wonder. Curious about your opinion.
Wasn’t SAH also at the very same time in the Queen Mary College in London?
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/introduction/mehran-tavakoli-keshe/68-mehran-tavakoli-keshe-en
At least I think to remember.
I clicked on a Telegraph link and found this story a bit unnerving.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9605614/Marseille-police-crime-corruption-and-cover-up-at-the-highest-level.html
Just a rhetoric theory possible only IF SAH really would have been a part of the Keshe network.
Could it be the case that he had planned to pick up some important device or some kind of information at the Chevaline meeting on Sept 5th and then thereafter to continue to drive on to Nineve in Belgium overnight (an 8 hours drive from Annecy at least) for being present at the Keshe conference on Sept 6th and perhaps having planned to drive home to the UK after that conference on Sept 7th? That timeline would fit almost perfect.
Bluebird on his linkedin profile is this coincidence ?
[http://no.linkedin.com/pub/daniel-taralrud/39/98a/183?trk=pub-pbmap]
[http://norwegianwarbows.com/]
pink, I saw the norwegian warbows link, too, but I really believe that this is coincidence, therefore I didn’t mention that. Do you think that this has some significance? I won’t.
I just viewed a youtube interview with Keshe.
my question is about what you guys are thinking about that interview.
Is he a freak, a fraudster or does he present any kind of serious technology? I am puzzled. I am getting no picture of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYZb1Q1FH24&feature=related
I am looking BB I have no opinion to offer this far.
@Felix
Re Angel t/a Portfolio Recruitment, very odd indeed… another “odd” one for the Mays portfolio…
Founded twice as you say! Angel Personnel Limited was founded in 2003 and wound up in 2010, while Angel Personnel (UK) Limited was started in 2008 and is still trading. Both at the same address, and both owned 100% by Mounya.
And another odd coincidence: the link at the bottom of the recruitment page says “access office recruit” so I typed that into google thinking it was the name of the company. The 4th result is “Access my application | MI5 – The Security Service”
https://www.mi5.gov.uk/careers/access-my-application.aspx !!!
Well I can see this is a hot bed of interest you may well be right as to why he was there .
12 September 2011 – NIF News
LLNL has signed a memorandum of agreement with two long-term partners from the United Kingdom—Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory (RAL) and the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) – to engage in joint research directed at the exploration of the challenges associated with the design, development and delivery of Laser Inertial Fusion Energy (LIFE) power plants.
………….
[http://www.hiper-laser.org/Project%20News%20pop-ups/622hiperresponse.html]
pink, thanks about the link of NIF News regarding RAL, AWE and LLNL.
This tells us that Keshe isn’t far away from their research, likely he is more advanced than they are.
I found this link about carbon fusion from Oct 8th:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/137520-clean-limitless-fusion-power-could-arrive-sooner-than-expected
There are rumours on several conspiracy boards that Iran won’t be attacked because of nuclear facilities but rather because they are far more advanced in carbon fusion technology due to Keshe’s expertise. Others are telling that Keshe is just a new “Bagdad Bob”. Honestly, I have no idea wheter or not I should believe that. But overall t does make some sense, also in regards to his holiday timeline and about what Al Hilli was working for.
@Ferret
RAOFL
Yes, nothing normal here, plenty to see. BTW, check in at Icke.
@Everyone:
I was astonished that Suhaila Al-Allaf was buried in Brookwood UK. She is a Swedish Citizen, (as well as an Iraqi) and her nearest living relatives are I suspect in Sweden. So why was her body imported into the UK for burial along with the couple for Claygate?? It is even more astonishing when one considers that the daughter didn’t know who she was.
More astonishing still is that the elder daughter who is either fine or traumatised has not been quoted about the grandmother.
It would perhaps have been more logical for all three to have been interred in Sweden bearing in mind Ikbal’s connections there too – especially since only one neighbour (wonder who that was???) allegedly attended and some work colleagues (allegedly) How would Erkin Guney at Brookwood know who was who?? Name badges?? (@Dopey thanks for Link to Get Surrey)
So, here are yet more questions for Dr Ahmad Al-Saffar (ex-AstraZeneca) that the BBC poodles could have asked.
Nice thread. Best I have read in a while. I put my money on Mochyn69´s theory.
Most coherent and plausible.
Felix
Good point Felix. Highly unusual for the mother in law to be buried in an Al Hilli family plot.
ferret, for me your MI5 link is dead. Perhaps you gave us a wrong link or it does work only when you’re accessing from inside the UK.
may I ask you:
why did you search for angel personal limited (reason?) and what website was it that gave you the MI5 link? And who is Mounya?
Bluebird I’m in the UK and it doesn’t work for me either.
Ferret, you should apply. I think you’ve passed the first stage of the application process by getting access to the site lol.
Felix, not so surprising that Suhalia was buried in England next to her daughter & where her other daughter lives & her ‘grand daughters.’.
Will her son stay in the Reading mental home, why didn’t the BBC ask how he was doing,where is he etc ?
Ikbal & Saad are also close to Zaid & his family, it makes sense for them to be in the UK.
felix
I don’t know whether or not this is still usual for Shia muslims in Europe,however, we could ask one in a Muslim forum, couldn’t we? It doesn’t seem to be permissible to bury a Man and a woman in the same grave.
http://islamqa.info/en/ref/96667
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (5/247): It is not permissible to bury two men or two women in a single grave except in cases of necessity. Similarly, al-Sarkhasi stated that it is not permissible. The view of the majority is that two people should not be buried in one grave, as it says in al-Musannaf. A number of scholars stated that it is mustahabb not to bury two people in one grave, but if there is a case of necessity such as a large number of people who have been killed or who died in an epidemic or as the result of a building collapse or drowning, etc, and it is too hard to bury each one in a separate grave, then it is permissible to bury two or three or more in one grave, as dictated by necessity, because of the hadeeth quoted above
Bluebird, it did say in one article that Saad was laid next to his father then the two women were put in…so there was an implication that they weren’t all put in together.
Blubird/Dopey. http://www.mi5.gov.uk…then just click careers. & follow through.
Sorry knock off the …then !
http://www.mi5.gov.uk
http://www.englishsabla.com/forum/showthread.php?65736-Can-two-people-be-buried-together-in-one-grave
A forum discussing whether or not muslims can be buried in the same grave. Answer: They cannot, except if really necessary (mass graves, etc).
Either there is another wrong press release or else they weren’t real muslims. I rather believe that they were just in the same graveyard but in different graves as it is obviously usual for muslims.
dopay, even two Muslim women in one single grave aren’t permitted.
I guess that they were buried in different graves next to each other.
Bluebird, no they were buried nearby,but I think there’s a typo here :
“Mr Al-Hilli’s mother, Fahisa, lies nearby.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221152/French-Alps-shooting-Familys-grief-murder-victims-buried-side.html
No of course that IS his mother, but I’m sure the women do not lie with the men.
MD of the cemetary said “Mr Al-Hilli’s body was buried next to his father’s, with his wife and mother-in-law being placed next to him in the Shia Muslim area of the cemetery.”
(from that getsurrey article)
Dopey, I saw that & decided it isn’t accurate if the mother is ‘nearby’, which makes it sound as though she not alongside her husband, don’t you think ?