The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Katie
Are we sure that it was an automatic bmw?
You cant see that from the outside.
There are just 5% automatic cars used in europe. 95% are not automatic.
Bluebird your fist links, have I read that right, that these two are living at the same address ???
Reem Auchi
Age Guide: 40-44
London, SW15
Full Address
Ahmed Al Saraf
RE: the automatic, I was thinking if it were maybe it would be easier to knock a gear stick than a manual, yes it’s a long shot as we have no idea what the car gearbox was.
There are 2 more oil companies (amongst others) in 5 princes gate
http://www.companieslist.co.uk/03688104-w-p-western-petroleum-limited
http://www.cdrex.com/hc-fuels-limited/board-2271186.html
Morning
The car was a manual, not an automatic.
(People checked in the early days the make and model of the car)
Katie
Ahmed al saraf is the husband of reem auchi. They are both on different director boards of her fathers companies.
Dont mix him up with al saffar
Thanks Dopey, so would it be possible to knock a gear stick into reverse without the clutch, hit hard enough & on an older car, I say it is.
Thanks BB, yes I had confused the two.
That family seem to live on a very thin line between legal & illegal. I saw the daughters name cleared in the NHS fraud case.
-ATTENTION! Neocon bug detected .
The Swedish “Thomas” who visits anti-Muslim boards has just given a link to the neo conservative think tank, Washington Institure for Near East Policy (WINEP), concerning an ardent foe of Israel, Hezbollah,- which was set up in 1982 with the explicit goal of throwing Israel out of Lebanon, which they succeeded in doing in 2000. It is a local resistence group, and it is mad to pronounce it to anything bigger.
Speaking of drugs, it is well known that Israelis sits on the world market for Ecstasy. They early on spotted the huge profit in this drug, which do not rely on any imports of raw materials from, say, South America, but can be manufatured in any laboratory in any back alley in any city.
I have seen the car reported in a news story as an automatic they may well have assumed that ,I made a mental note that there is a conflict as it had been decided here it was manual but its worth keeping an eye out for proof one way or the other.
Pink 7-25.
Who would want to live in Annecy these days, it sounds like a den of iniquity ?
If anyone knows the registration number they could try running it through a motoring related website ie any insurance quotation software, and the car details will come up.
It may have been on this site earlier or on Icke but people did this and I’m sure someone had access to and checked the DVLA base to at the time.
Katie
You dont put the wrong gear by accident in a manual car. Not even as a beginner. Either you must push or pull to get the return gear in. That does not happen by accident.
However, either the car was originally standing the other way round and he turned it for driving away while he was shot. Or more likely when he had stopped the car he fixed it with the return gear position (what you normally do when parking cars on mountain roads) and while starting the car he was shot and his foot had a kind of push forward and the car went back because his arm could no more release the fixed gear as he was unconscious then.
The BMW in question is definitely a manual, as the DVLA site gives it an emission rating of 192g/km the auto version is 213g/km, also agree it would be unlikely that anyone jumped over the car, and if they did its highly unlikely that it would have damaged the roof bar, as these have to withstand heavy forces at speed.
4.04 am 11/9/12 on Icke
Thanks for the link Katie
Washington Institure for Near East Policy (WINEP) was set up by the superzionist and -lobbyist Martin indyk in 1993, just the same year as he launched the discredited socalled Dual containment (sic) policy, whereby the worlds only superpower — having just emerged as the winner in the long Cold War — found itself containing two countries which were arch foes of each other – but which incidentally also were the two greatest strategic foes of Israel.
Martin indyk is an Australian Jew, who became American citizen in…1993. Americans need to ask themselves how it is possible for at new citizen to promote such disatrous policies in the same year as he become citizen! We in Denmark consider ourselves the greatest strategic adversaries of this lobby (The Israel lobby) and had I been in the States I would of course have confronted this individual head on…..if, I had known what precisely he was doing. I herein lies the rub. It really wasn´t until the publication of professor at Chicago University, John J. Mearsheimer, and professor at Harvard, Stephen M. Walt‘s article, The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy in The London Review of Books (because no American outlet would publish it) in 2006, and as a book in 2007, that the wider world got to know the workings of this formidable lobby, the most formidable lobby that the world have ever seen.
By holding close to ten thousand of US troops in places like Saudi Arabia — which as you know is holy to Muslims becasue it holds the two holiest scrines in Islam, Mecca and Medina — this policy provided an important motivation for Osama bin-laden (who was Saudi himself) and symphatisers (16 out of 19 highjackers were from Saudi Arabia) for the 9/11 attacks.
From Indyk and the lobby’s point of view, having US troops nearby was great, so that they were in position to “finish the job” i.e. move to Baghdad, should an occasion arise, which it did on 9/11 – and the rest is, as they say, history.
9/11 from Israel’s point of view
From Israels point of view 9/11 was not that bad. Immediately it found itself with strong allies who shared its strategy, and it was able to strenghten its position due to the exchange of intelligence that is the normal procedure between intelligence agencies (“I have this for you, what do you have for me”). And while it let others do the heavy work in Iraq, it used the pretext of the socalled “War on terror” to crack down on the entirely legitimate protests that the Palestinians expressed through their Infifada2.
Bluebird, I was following on from yesterday when I mentioned they could all have been in the car …with the engine running & the fans on or aircon & that’s why all the windows were closed,remember it was hot weather.
If the engine was running & Sylvian fell forward knocking the gear stick, when he was shot, that could explain the reverse gear,yes it would have stalled had someone not had their foot on the accelerator ……. but that’s how BM described it, so IF true, did AH slide forward when he was shot so that his foot was on the accelerator ?
Nothing to do with trying to escape.
Israel is as you know the most “securytyalised” country on the face of this Earth, with it citizens routinely being subjected to serious infringements towards their human rights – all being done in the name of “security”.
So Israelis really couldn’t care less if the rest of the world were to taste the same “medicine”. On the contrary this would only be fair, they reckon, and it would be good because a greater affinity would arise between the West and Israel, a country which reckons it belongs to the “West”, but which nevertheless sits on the eastern Meditaerannean seabord.
Straw, I’m not sure what you mean about someone ‘jumping over the car’ , where did that come from & why would anyone have done that ?
I posted the full entry on 11/9/12 at 4.04 am by notyourrealname.
Not my view at all, you will have to go back and read that thread to see how it came up –
Its on Page 43
I see GMH own a stake in this company PVAxx a material science & Accsys Technologies, a UK based environmental & science technology.
2005 Accounts
http://www.gmhsa.com/pdf/2005%20GMH%20Financial%20Statements.pdf
OK Straw, I see. Thanks.
With regards to Israelis controlling the world market for Ecstasy
[And which you will not routinely (I loved the word routinely) read abouty in The Guardian or The Mirror] here is the eminent historian, the right honoured Mr. David Irving accumulation on links — at the bottom of this lead story:
{http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/11/Israeli_ecstasy.html}
Kenneth you make it sound sordid. Israel has a number of pharmaceutical plants, I buy generic asprin from one online.
sorry, did not recognise this word. It is important to remember that the laboratories for ecstasy are placed in countries like the Netherlands and Belgium. Follow David Irvings list, and you will even see an Israeli minister being coaught red-handed with thousands of ecstacy pills.
Israel is of course one of the most corrupt countries.
I only mentions this because Thomas cited this dubious report by the neoconservative think tank The Washington Institure of Near East Policy (WINEP) as proof that Hezbollah was trading in drugs.
Kennth, I think you & David Irving are perfect bedfellows.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I am saying it happens everywhere, unfortunately drugs are the scourge of most countries it seems.
@Trow
your statistics about gun ownership, and acquaintance with the use of guns in the USA is about 100% off with 40% of Americans owning guns, and about 80% knowing how to use them.
Quoting generalised statistics for the entire USA is meaningless when we already have statistics for the specific state. This is because gun ownership (and acquaintance with how to use them) varies widely from state to state.
The researched statistics I quoted earlier refer to the rate of household gun ownership in the specific state where William Herskowitz spent most of his young life, namely New York State. (Hyde Park is near Poughkeepsie, NY State.) As previously stated, the rate of household ownership there is 18.1%, so less than 1 in 5 households in NY State own a gun.
I love David, and he is perfectly entitled to his views. If anything, views that are contrarian to the prevaling thoughts of the day, makes us stop and…think. and thats very good. Of course I’m not wildly fond of his suggestion that Britain should have made peace with Germany, because I have a knacking feeling about what that would have meant for Denmark, but every person is entitled to his views. What I do not approve of is people trying systematically to silence him – and evidence exists in abundance that what this is what people affiliated with The Israel lobby has been trying to do.
@Felix
btw Taurus Petroleum was registered originally at no 5 Princes Gate, not 55.
Do you have the complete address with the post code… I’m wondering if perhaps it was Princes Gate Mews, which is across the square from 55 PG?
5 PG is a slightly further afield, and from google street view it looks it’s been demolished. There’s a #1 and a #6 but nothing in between.
The post office lists these companies/addresses at 5 PG:
Cityreal Investments Llp, 5 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 1QJ
Encase Holdings Ltd, 5 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 1NN
Pelham Ltd, 5 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 1QJ
Reddish Llp, 5 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 1QJ
5 Princes Gate Court, LONDON, SW7 2QJ
5 Princes Gate Mews, LONDON, SW7 2PS
Re faking the funerals:
Compared with a lot of accepted distortions of the truth/official lies, it must be pretty easy, I would have thought. Wouldn’t need many people in the loop.
Agreed, particularly if the DGSE had 3/4 suitable bodies on ice. Remember the faces of at least 2 were so disfigured they had to be identified by DNA.
BTW re the “three bodies”, there is no trail whatsoever either side of the channel. As if it all happened by magic.
Interesting…
If, as was reported, close relatives open the coffin to turn the deceased’s head towards Mecca nigh on impossible. – Kempe
I can see what you mean but that’s a case of sloppy reporting, I believe. I understand muslims bury their dead in shrouds, not naked, so the people attending would not have seen the body. Am I right, Suhayl? (If you’re still here…)
It will soon be time for William Brett to sign off the Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd accounts for y/e 2012, following the boom period of lettings at Lathuile thanks to the excellent publicity website designed by Mays. When he trails up from the Sussex Coast, which signature form will he use? I am curious.
Can’t wait…
😀
Sorry, just realised that would have been clearer if I’d separated my reply to Kempe…
@Kempe
If, as was reported, close relatives open the coffin to turn the deceased’s head towards Mecca nigh on impossible.
I can see what you mean but that’s a case of sloppy reporting, I believe. I understand muslims bury their dead in shrouds, not naked, so the people attending would not have seen the bodies. Am I right, Suhayl? (If you’re still here…)
Thanks for the pdf link, katie.
Now we know all companies he owns officially. I am quite sure there aee many more companies he owns via strawmen. Such as taurus oil company and others.
Felix 24 Oct, 2012 – 3:28 pm
“BTW I loved that description of Mollier in the Indy about him being a “middle ranking official”. Wasn’t this used about Dr Kelly when the government tried to bury his importance -as right hand weapons man of slippery Jack Straw – , a fellow Leeds University alumnus???”
I put this at MZT: SM did not need to be a scientist to hold worthwhile secrets. Even if he personally knew no secrets, in a good spy story are not janitors, maids, femmes fatale and dudes fatale too, the Pope’s butler, and so on not all prime filchers of secrets?