The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Really Trowbridge, you accusations are getting ridiculous.
First you accuse me of cherry-picking.
Then when I post everything so that everyone can see it all, you accuse me of posting entire articles “hoping that other posters will not take the trouble to see the most damagaing [sic] bits”.
Which way is it?
Why do we have to waste so long discussing William Herskowitz.
He comes across as just your common garden variety schizophrenic.
I can’t see anything whatsoever to link him to the french killings.
If we need a schizophrenic or psychopathic killer I’d put my money
on Iqhbal’s brother first.
Hear hear Ruby, it’s getting very tiresome. If Anders were here he’d be shouting about thread sliding.
RE: Exxon & the Monckford shooting.
I think this just may have something to do with it, I have posted this before but BB didn’t think it relative.
Could the shooting mean ‘get the hell out of Iraq’?
” Iraq’s Shi’ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has asked U.S. President Barack Obama to force Exxon to pull out of West Qurna.”
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/exxon-may-exit-from-south-iraq-oil-project.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32836&NewsCatID=348
@Trow
I am not going to answer point-by-point all your distortions, exaggerations, and baseless claims, as it would take too long and go nowhere.
However, I will pick up on the one response you actually made to my point, which was this:
Then there is no problem of comparing the killings of al-Abed with those of the al-Hillis et al. since there are still no pictures or explanations of what their corpses looked like.
Exactly so, and thank you for this frank admission. We don’t know how they died.
On what basis, then, did you say this:
Hershy is reported to have taken the pistol away from the guard, then fired one shot at al-Abed, and then two more to make sure that he was really dead, like what happened to the four adults at Annecy.
The truth is, as I have already said (and now you apparently agree) that we just don’t know how the four adults at Annecy died, so this is just one example of where your story departs from fact and go off into the realms of fantasy.
You are quite simply making it up.
My point is this: you weave a good tale, Trow, but it can’t be trusted.
Sorry everyone for the long drawn-out-ness of this argument, but I think this is an important point. Trow makes himself sound important and authorititative, while in reality he’s anything but.
Genuine researchers like Felix, Thomas, and Bluebird (amongst others) post their findings along with credible sources which can be independently checked.
Trowbridge, on the other hand, includes all sorts of invented incidental detail and coincidences (along with dialog he has clearly made up himself) without any corroborating sources, and which cannot be checked.
Caveat lector.
Off Topic
@ Felix 25 Oct, 2012 – 8:01 pm
“@ Q btw “Is there reporting I have missed??”
There are multiple dozens of things wrong in the GW case. A few of them, as I recall, MI-6 wouldn’t let Met Police interview any of their people and instead had the MI-6ers talk to somebody from the Met’s anti-terrorist squad, who had proper security clearance, but who didn’t ask questions and just reported back whatever they told him. At the 2nd Inquest they found MI-6 didn’t give Met another big hold-all and another cell phone that was under GW’s desk. And Met was annoyed at whoever leaked tales of expensive womens designer gowns and shoes and a red wig in GW’s flat to reporters. That added to stories from GW’s former landlady in Cheltenham about him trapping himself in a solo bondage-gone-wrong tied to the bedposts and her having to rescue him.
The 2nd inquest ended with a finding that Mr Williams was probably “unlawfully killed”. And Met vowed to haul MI-6 folks in for questioning. Never heard more of that. Guess the case is still open.
This was from the UK Mirror when they visited the flat after it had been re-let: “To the best of the Polonskaya family’s knowledge they are the first to have lived there since the death. Soon after moving in on January 6 this year, they received a bundle of letters addressed to Mr Williams which they handed to the letting agents responsible for the property. They have since had several more letters, seen by the Mirror, for individuals with Russian surnames at the same address. These letters remain unopened.”
Uh, why didn’t they also give those to the letting agent? Who were the Russian tenants in the supposed MI-6 “safe house” or employee flat prior to GW. The building is owned by an untraceable company in the Caribbean, if I recall, one with a Russian name – another inside joke? What with Russians assassinated in London, did Putin’s folks intend to hit whoever was tenant prior to GW, not realizing they’d moved?
“Police are now probing a possible link between the “body in a bag” agent’s death and the fact that MI6 cyber expert Daniel Houghton, 27, offered the names, addresses and phone numbers of British spies in return for cash. He was jailed for a year at the Old Bailey in July 2009, just two months before Mr Williams, 31, was found dead. Murder squad detectives are believed to want assurances from MI6 that Mr Williams’ details were not on the list. Houghton had offered to sell the names of more than 300 members of MI6 and details of current MI5 operations to a foreign government for £2million.” I don’t recall where that was from. Doesn’t sound like a bad deal; one year in jail in trade for 2 million. He had filched 7,000 more names to sell. Could have made 46,000,000 if not caught.
Love it – posters who spend all their time, wasting it on irrelevancies and dead ends regarding the massacre in France – now complaining about anything really regarding William Hershkovitz, more interested in getting the spelling of his name wrong than anything about why he, a person with no official record of violence, suddenly went berserk in Eilat, threatening to kill co-workers, whether they were part of the Mossad recruitment program, or doing meanial jobs in the kitchen.
Of course, it would all fit into his feeling betrayed in doing what he did, and taking it out on co-workers in the kitchen who increasingly alluded to why he was behaving so.
And Ferret, it is both – your cherry-picking a story until you suspect you will be caught out.
Interesting that you aren’t interested in my claims about your being´Simon Hayward or working in his interest.
Simon hated the Palestinians as much as Hershkovitz did.
Read his complaints about British officialdom, especially David Mellor, being more concerned about their plight than his after Hayward had been set up for drug-smuggling in Sweden to take the pressure off about who killed Palme.
Katie
Many thanks for the great link regarding saddams wife samira.
I did not know this. Well, ali hashim al hilli (SAAD’S COUSIN) was never general director of iraqi airways and if the report was correct then he should have been. He was not a pilot either unless his linkedin data were not correct. He was manager at iraqi airlines and chief of technology and engineering. Certainly he was a highly ranked person at iraqi airlines but he was not head of iraqi airlines.
We must find out about who was head of iraqi airlines between 1983 and 1993. Any clues as how to do this? The last info about management is from 2004 in the wayback machine. Certainly new faces after saddams demise.
So i dont think that ali al hilli was samiras first husband. Would be exciting if it were true but does not fit at all.
Is most likely a false track. Sorry.
Oh, of course, Ferret apparently aka Captain Simon Hayward and Captain James will now be complaining about no sources about what the avid Palestinian hater wrote about British officials, especially in the FO, being more interested in their plight than his.
“I remember admiring the robust and courageous behavior of Mr. David Mellor, a Foreign Office Minister, when on a visit to the occupied territories, I think it was in early 1988, he intervened to prevent Israeli soldiers from arresting a young Palestinian demonstrator. His action apparently supported by the government, was clearly a protest, if not interference, and engendered world-wide publicity and comment.
“There was enough evidence of malpractice by Swedish officials against me to justify a protest, certainly as much as an Israeli
colonel arresting a boy. If the government supported such a protest against the Israeli treatment of Palestinian refugees, why could it not take some measure of action over the Swedish treatment of a British soldier.” (Quoted from Under Fire: My Own Story, p.449.)
In writing and publishing such bitter comments about HMG, Hayward got his revenge by helping cause the break-up of Thatcher’s government, so he didn’t have to resort to any masscres himself, but his words and efforts should still be seen as most biased ones.
Want more quotations and links?
@Trowbridge
I note yet another post by you with plenty of opinion but no sources.
:yawn:
Care to post any proof that the Oranim programme is “part of the Mossad recruitment program”, as you claim?
No? Didn’t think so.
Re the spelling of his name, you are wrong about that too. It is Herskowitz, without the second H.
Israeli officials originally identified the gunman as William Hershkovitz, but public records in the United States listed his name with a W instead of a V, the more common American spelling, and without the second H.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/world/middleeast/american-kills-worker-at-israeli-hotel-then-is-shot-by-police.html
I corrected you before but you spurned my correction.
Care to apologise? Doubt it.
Katie
Here we go:
The first husband pf Samira was Nurredin al-Safi. Nothing to do with the Hillis. She is living in Mauretania today.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/stories/bride012591.htm
Was not easy to find. Your riddles for me are getting more complicated to solve everyday
Beautiful confirmation of what I predicted about yawning Ferret.
Just try his spelling of Hershkovitz’s name, leaving out the second h, and replacing the v with a w, and see what you get on google:
Hershkovitz.
Just a pathetic effort to show that the Israelis can be wrong in his book.
Want more Ferret quotations about Mellor and other FO officials all the way up to FS Geoffrey Howe?
Will now look for a link connecting the JAFI with the Mossad.
@Bluebird
26 Oct, 2012 – 10:42 am
Some interesting snippets in that WP article …
‘Saddam’s oldest son, Uday, was also reported to be distressed by the news of his father’s mistress. Uday, 26, is a smart businessman, according to some reports, and has already made millions with his company Super Chicken, a food processing chain, and another company called the Wave that makes ice cream.’
Now, wasn’t the al Hilli family business in Iraq described by some as a poultry business?
Also, after his murder of Saddam’s valet, he was banished to Switzerland. Interesting …
Meanwhile, on the geopolitical front, some encouraging news from the Guardian here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/25/uk-reject-us-request-bases-iran
@Ferret
26 Oct, 2012 – 10:41 am
I guess you have seen this over at Wikispooks:
‘Trowbridge Ford’s articles often contain interesting, counter-intuitive and potentially important information which is not easily available elsewhere if at all, which is why Wikispooks publishes them. In stylistic and strict grammatical terms they sometimes contain apparent assertions of fact which ought more properly to be qualified as opinion or speculative deduction; although in such cases the context usually indicates that such qualification is in fact what is intended. However, to avoid a complex and time-consuming editorial negotiation approvals process the articles are published on Wikispooks as submitted.’
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Trowbridge_Ford_and_Jihad_Jane
One does not have to read much about the recent President’s Conference in Israel to see how the JAFI and the Mossad are working together to provide the necessary resources to take advantage of the Arab Spring – what both JAFI Director Natan Sharansky and former Mossad Director Meir Dagan attended, and spoke at, along with Dennis Ross from the States.
The Annecy massacre by Israeli and Western sources to knock Iran and its supporters for a loop – stopping the flow of SSLT secrets to Tehran while taking out its newly recruited spies, thanks to a kidon including American hitman William Hershkovitz and British support – is the first operation of this continuing unprecedented opportunity.
For more about the Conference, see this lin:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/former-mossad-chief-sees-incredible-opportunity-in-arab-spring-fears-radical-islamists-gains-across-arab-world/2012/06/20/
Stay tuned for what happens next.
lost in translation: “peu avant 16 heures” becomes 4.01pm, and .01 and .10 are later transposed by UK press. At 15.38 BM instigated an emergency call which Philippe D made for him. A few minutes later PD made a call after attending the scene. BM requested the first call, never said he made it. LePariasien.fr reports PD making a call after coming down . il redescend de quelques mètres pour contacter les pompiers. Le premier appel enregistré par les secours. “Premier appel”; possibly a misunderstanding; this was really PD’s second call?
BM verbatim: “in my, quoted, bad French I was trying rather urgently to get across the point that that there had been a very very bad event up at the car park, and did they have a phone that had a signal? (eyebrows raised as if asking a question), and therefore could they phone the rescue services? (eyes wide, forehead lifted, as if making a demand), which they did (nods his head up and down)” . Interviewer: And (then) you went up to the scene and again there were concerns that there could be somebody up there with a gun Sky video 13.09.2012 [Had Philippe refused to make a call one presumes BM would go on downhill to make the urgent call himself ASAP}
en voiture la route forestière de la Combe-d’Ire, sur les hauteurs du village de Chevaline, à deux pas du lieu-dit du Martinet, ils ont vu surgir peu avant 16 heures un cycliste affolé. LeParisien.fr 11.09.2012 >>>> they rode quietly in the forest road car of the Combe d’Ire, on the heights of the village of Horses, close to the place called the Martinet, they saw arise shortly before 4:01 p.m. crazed cyclist Google online translation
Philippe and two women friends were driving towards the scene ……. at around 4.10pm, a “terrified cyclist” came hurtling towards them. Evening Standard 11.09.2012
Philippe and two women friends were driving towards the scene about 4.10pm, when a ‘terrified cyclist’ came hurtling towards them. Daily Mail 11.09.2012
When translated by a human being, “peu avant 16 heures” becomes “shortly before 4 p.m.”, n’est-ce pas?
Excellent work BB, many thanks. OK no AH connection with the pilot, if true, but s the article is dated 1998 things will have changed radically since then.
So the women are still suspect. Remember that report about *Sahija applying for asylum in Leeds ?
We were ‘told’ it was refused for all of them, certainly Raghed is living in Saudi I think it is, where she continues to make a stir & calling for retribution..
*note the 10 children & who is the cousin ???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-183548/Saddams-family-want-home-Leeds.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2965538.stm
Yes P, it does.
@Mochyn69
Thanks very much for the article, I hadn’t see it before.
“Trowbridge Ford’s articles often contain interesting, counter-intuitive and potentially important information which is not easily available elsewhere if at all…”
I can see what they mean.
What I would debate is the meaning of the word “information” in this context, and would suggest the word “theories” or “guesswork” would be more appropriate.
And I would also suggest that the reason that some of it “is not easily available elsewhere if at all” is that parts of it are entirely fictional, as I have proved today.
@Trowbridge
Just try his spelling of Hershkovitz’s name, leaving out the second h, and replacing the v with a w, and see what you get on google: Hershkovitz.
Yes, that’s right, the Israeli authorities spelled his name wrong, therefore there are lots of Israeli articles spelling his name wrong, and some of the US ones picked up the mis-spelling too. Did you work that out all by yourself?
Will now look for a link connecting the JAFI with the Mossad.
So you never had one in the first place? Another assumption posted as fact? More proof that you are a story-spinner, rather than a truth-teller.
This is getting really tedious.
Just remember I have already caught you out making stuff up. The bit where you said “like what happened to the four adults at Annecy”, which was an entirely fabricated piece of fiction.
@Trow
One does not have to read much about the recent President’s Conference in Israel to see how the JAFI and the Mossad are working together to provide the necessary resources to take advantage of the Arab Spring – what both JAFI Director Natan Sharansky and former Mossad Director Meir Dagan attended, and spoke at, along with Dennis Ross from the States.
So the boss of JAFI and the former boss of Mossad attended the same conference.
Ergo, all JAFI programmes are recruiting drives for Mossad???
What kind of logic is that?
Trow, I’m going to switch you on to “ignore” from now on. Your theories are fanciful, and your logic is non-existent.
You spin the merest of facts into a neatly-woven tapestry that hangs together only on the strength your supposition, and present it your readers as cast-iron fact.
It seems that you cannot (or will not) tell the difference between fact and fantasy.
I only hope others can see through you as easily.
Congratulations Ferret.
That’s exactly what I’m doing almost from the beginning when reading CM’s blog re SAH.
Saves me an awful lot of (expensive) time ….
If nobody reacts- it won’t be an interesting platform to him anymore and there will be peace amongst people here again…..
Kind regards
Sky News are saying that Belgian authorities held back vital information such as the name of the victim ‘assassinated’ outside an Italian restaurant 12 days ago. This is therefore ‘todays’ breaking news.
Perhaps they needed to read this column for our psychic ability naming Nicholas Mockford 11 days ago.
@ Katie
It seems strange if this is a message from Iraq to Exxon saying get out because they company appeared to be trying to do that already.
Nicholas Mockford was working on greener fuels was he about to announce results of a new type of fuel that wasnt a step forward, that someone wants to keep quiet?
Just more crap from you, Ferret.
You have not caught me out in anything, especially since the autopsy on Armando al-Abed does not even mention where the numerous bullets hit him – quite likely it was another ceremonial mutilation like what happened to the four adults in
France where they were all shot twice in the head.
For more, see this link:
http://www.mecn.org/2012/10/armando-abed-victim-of-jewish-terrorist-shooting-buried-in-his-hometown/
The link about the JAFI and the Mossad shows that the Israeli institutions were closely coordinating their activities and personnel to make sure they made the most about the possibilities of the Arab Spring now.
I did see historical accounts of their close development, and shall post the best one I find soon.
I have indicated from the outset that I am working on a theory which deals with the facts about the killings.
Whether you see it or not doesn’t concern me in the slighest since you declared at the outset that the shooting in Eilat was just a psychopath going postal!
And if you think Shelock I consider you any better, you are sadly mistaken. I am not on here to correct biased ignoramouses like you, but to get to the truth even if all the mindless posters have gone.
“write questions” at Tim V 26 Oct, 2012 – 2:03 am. Have just spotted. What a bloomer. Of course should have been “right” but as I said it was late. Apologies.
@TimV
What do you make of the report in the Independent, early in the investigation, that the bodies were unrecognisable and had to be identified by DNA samples?
Either I’ve missed your post or you haven’t come back since I reposted the link Felix dug up.
Felix
26 Oct, 2012 – 6:46 am – what an interesting Kelly blog. Thanks for the ref. As regards Didierjean you say “I think the Philippe D/Didierjean appearance is a fabrication”. Would be interested to hear why. Some or all? Grounds for thinking that way?
Yes Straw, it does, I wonder which came first ?