The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bluebird, how do you know they are related?
Mzt is on a new track you might want to check out I am still around but have nothing new to bring so will just follow the blogs for now .
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@ Q 26 Oct, 2012 – 8:07 pm
“@NR: Did you notice the Colorado connection in the story of Gareth Williams? His friend was posted there several weeks before GW died. SSTL has a division in Colorado, for starters.”
Yes, and there was some other Colorado connection. The Met Police wanted to interview somebody there – perhaps in prison – and the FBI forbade it.
The best diversion was when someone in a Pixar/Disney “Cars” discussion & trading group, noticed a boxed set of toy cars on a glass table in GW’s flat, and said that this was a “pre-release” set available only to collectors at ComicCon, San Diego, 2010. The package was opened and one of the cars was on the sofa – upside down – another clue! So the Cars weren’t a gift for a friend.
Since GW has attended DefCon & BlackHat hacker’s conferences 2010 in Las Vegas, we concluded he could have driven there, before returning to the US east coast and England. So then we’d have womens designer gowns, shoes, a wig plus Pixar “Cars” cars. In the movie one of the cars, a red one, played a spy, who is crushed in crusher. A clue!
Problem is all this was when exactly the pic with the Cars toys was taken. There were 4 sets of pics: the police crime scene photos, a police walk-thru video (nothing morbid, of course – how they expect armchair dicks to solve crimes without morbid pics, I don’t know), a freelance press photog who had access to the flat sometime after the police left, and the Mirror pics taken when new tenants were installed. I recall somebody emailed the press photog to determine the time-line, but don’t think he responded, and by that time interest in the case dwindled.
In the police walk-thru video, the kitchen oven door was open and an empty cooking pot was left on the stairway. More clues! Here’s an idea, if we wanted to smuggle special zirconium to Iran, why not form it up into a sets of high-end cookware. It’s something France would export.
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@ Q 26 Oct, 2012 – 8:07 pm
Or, or, we could make the special zirconium into jewelry and put it on the Shopping Channel as cubic zirconias with a special code, and a bigger price, so ordinary hausfraus wouldn’t buy it, but special Iranian ladies would know the code and order it. You think our agencies would go, “Wait a sec, what’s all these women, covered in burqhas, need with lots of fancy jewelry?
@NR: Getting tritium into Iran was so much simpler: obtain tritium signs from big blue box store in US, recycle it into lights and voila, a legal way to export tritium to Iran.
As for Colorado, do you think SSTL’s branch is located there due to its signal ops base?
Among the other interesting things in Colorado:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command
http://militarybases.com/colorado/
Back now from some lovely flying…oddly around “The Gulf” region.
Very pretty at night, in and out of Doha.
A lot to catch up with I see.
One question from reading the media reports, where did SAH’s 750K come from ?
The type of satellite technology that SSTL has produced, with regard to tracking ships, was the object of considerable attention in 2010 elsewhere in the world:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/07/17/former-conservative-mp-rahim-jaffer-sought-military-secrets-court-filings/
And then there’s this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/so-dead-inside-how-the-mounties-cracked-jeffrey-delisle/article4630144/
Saad al-Hilli’s work should be a very important part of the investigation into the Chevaline incident. However, police investigators might have found their hands tied if this investigation is anything like what went on with Gareth Williams.
SSTL definitely had a competitive edge in the SAR satellite business:
http://acuriousguy.blogspot.ca/2012_09_01_archive.html
Pink.
I’ve just been to that site & they seem way behind anything we’ve seen here. Lots of talk of lone nutter , that just does not tally at all in my view.
Nor does that theory get to grips with why Mollier & AH were together……and coincidentally BM arrives on the scene.
Welcome back James.
The money was not Saad’s it is his fathers & untouched . Origin unknown .
@ James,
Pleased you are back on, we were starting to worry. lol
The £780K I assumed related to SAHs Iraq property deal he did a couple of years ago.
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I do think the prominence of SSTL in satellite technology has some relevance to SAHs demise. But more than that right now, I havent a clue.
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Nicholas Mockford suddenly being BIG news is all the more mystifying why it wasnt last week. What contracts have been signed in the 10/12 days in between that may have been jeopardised by his death being announced when it happened?
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@ NR
Re GW case
The following Telegraph article:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9228651/Interest-in-womens-clothing-and-sadomasochism-would-not-have-prevented-Gareth-Williams-joining-MI6-inquest-hears.html
…says Elizabeth Guthrie a friend of GW…..
http://www.comicvine.com/elizabeth-guthrie/29-3186/
Katie,
I know there is some debate about it, but I think this is SAHs money, not his fathers which still is awaiting distribution isnt it?
Straw.
The fathers account was untouched yes, as probabte is not complete it couldn’t be.
The only other money mentioned as I recall, has been a deal Saad was supposed to be putting together in Iraq. We’ve heard nothing about money in his personal account, nor should we in my opinion.
Bluebird – an Iraqi history lesson from c 1960 includes Dr Abdul-Ameer Al-Saffar – no 18 in the page
http://hamid-alhamdany.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/14-17.html
عبد الأمير الصفار
On a family history site, I see this, one Amir Al-Saffar b Iraq, married and died in Geneva
http://www.uk.mundia.com/gb/Person/13496812/-58905390
@Tim V
No appearance of “Philippe D or his companions or more info since…mysterous translation into Didierjean in the Guardian, an article which seemed to be based on the Le Parisien article, 2ndary reporting by the look of it. Or perhaps PD was another “minder” like BM, if he and his companions did exist. Innocent wanderers is the most unlikely analysis.
Re Mockford – newspapers in the UK are implying that there was a news blackout…that wasn’t the case intially in Belgium. One wonders what furious intermediate activity the UK Foreign Office has been engaged in. I guess there was a D-notice here, because it would have been easy to regurgitate the initial reports in the Belgian press, including a video of the scene, dated 16 October. Perhaps the UK leaned on the Belgians??
Yes Felix, I see the DT is saying it was a mugging which went wrong. Fat chance !
I’d say this is another warning ….. don’t mess with Iraqis. Maliki wants Exxon out…. was Monckford blocking a deal ?
@felix
I mentioned that amir saffar who had died in geneve before.however, we found an abdulamir who lives in the usa and is 47 years old and we found an abdulamir who was born in 1916 and who emigrated to usa in 1946 and we have the correct one abdulameer born 1934. We dont know if that amir is tge 1916 or else the 1934 born one.
Kathy
The relations of relatives are given in arab names. You simply have to understand arab names and you will know about who is related with whom. Since both marwa and the doctor in iraq have their father being abdulameer al saffar, then we know that he was their father. We know nothing about the mother in arab names. So could be half-siblings of iqbal if he had more than one woman.
The spelling of abdulameer is correct in their names.
I know about the sibling in reading. But there are at least two more. One anMD in iraq and marwa who is MD but i do not know where she lives and works.
The importance of SSTL developments in al-Hilli’s apparent spying relates to the ability of its lasers to determine the thickness of all kings of things, especially soil of some kind, and air space, not the tracking of shipping.
The ESA’s laser statellites – what Saad could gain access to without breaking any OSA or engaging in state espionage – could not only determine what was happening to the polar icecaps but also where Iran’s underground weapons and test facilities are.
For more about it, see this link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/aug/11/arctic-sea-ice-vanishing
By getting the expertise, Tehran could determine for itself what was showing, and take counter measures to cover them up.
The only thing that al-Hilli and his contact, Sylvain Mollier apparently, oveerlooked – as had Gareth Willaims, Gudrun Loftus, and Steve Rawlings in the release of the Afghan Logs to Julian Assange’s Wikileaks – was that covert operators are well prepared, and willing to murder leakers of such information.
After the murders of the Wikileaks leakers, the heads of MI6, GCHQ, and MI5 warned leakers who jeopardized Western intelligence cooperation what they risked by doing so but al-Hilli and Mollier either ignored, or didn’t know about it.
Katie
Mockford was technology and engineering manager at exxon. He wss researching new forms of energy (green energy). We dont know too much about that part of science since it is politically dangerous. I would think that oil tycoons and nuclear tycoons dont want that kind of energy to exist if it were possible to exist.
However, mockford was never deciding any oil field deals. He was in a completely different departement at exxon/bp.
Could Nicolas Mockford have been providing some oil exploration cover for the spying al-Hilli was doing, and once it was discovered from material recovered from the Annecy massacre site, he was discovered to have been involved, and was belatedly disposed of, explaining the further lateness of its actual disclosure?
Regarding mockford
Not sure whether this link was already posted
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223294/British-ExxonMobil-boss-Nicholas-Mockford-assassinated-eco-terrorists.html
Quote: ExxonMobil Chemicals, Europe, promoting new types of greener fuelAnd one line the police are believed to be investigating is whether the oil executive was connected to the world of industrial espionage.This theory has been looked at especially as ExxonMobil have refused to release details about his work.
Did they have some new form of energy? Was he going to leak it to competitors or were oil tycoons nervous for losing their business? and what about areva if tgeir nuclear energy business would become useless for mankind? Just a conspiracy. But there are many conspiracies since decades that there exist cheaper forms of energy but are getting suppressed by patent hiding and also by killers who are killing the responsible scientists.
That reminds me of Keche (iran) and Hafnium energy. Just a strange idea and conspiracy without any basic facts but sounds logic and exciting.
More interesting fact is that the UK Hq. of Exxon-Mobil is in Leatherhead, only 4.3 miles from Claygate.
Perhaps, the al-Hillis and the Mockfords are even neighbors.
And guess what: the cops are already saying that this hit might take years to solve too!
I agree with trow just at times, however, i see a connection between those assassination. Hafnium batteries are part of science and technology. A hafnium/tritium battery if working, of a size of an egg could give energy to a car for 30 years. Several of such battery pellets could give enough energy to launch a satellite into space. A battery of the size of a sugar crystal could give a laptop enough energy for 25 years.
Those are facts. However, so far there were technical problems that did prohibit the use of hafnium/tritium energy pellets. Lately it was announced that the usa airforce research labaratory made a breakthrough in research and test of hafnium batteries.
Coincidence?
Wasnt saad working on xray lasers.
I will post some links that might read like science fiction but are partly based on facts. Unfortunately we dont know very much about their research in secret labs such as RAL and CERN.
Of course hafnium isomers can be used for high tech weapons, too.
Who would have an interest for this technology?
Who would have an interest for this technology not appearing in the public market?
Cui bono?
http://www.google.com/patents/US20060078790
{http://jamesmessig.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/speculations-regarding-using-hafnium-178-nuclear-isomers-for-powering-manned-star-ships-throughout-the-milky-way-galaxy-by-way-of-energy-beamed-from-remotely-located-charged-nuclear-isomer-stations/
http://www.treknology.org/technology1.htm
@ Bluebird
Thanks for the name explanation but I doubt that that is definitive proof that they are related. Also, if they were Iqbal’s siblings, surely we would have heard of them by now?
Kathy
We have not heard anything at all by public media. Did we?
What we have heard were stories and they had told us what we already knew before they knew about it. Given the fact of the age of those two siblings and the fact that their fathers name abdulameer is spelled correctly within their names, the chance that they are siblings is approx. 99.9%.
We cannot see the mother in their names. Did he have a second wife then they could be half siblings as well.
Trow
Nicholas mockfort’s uk home was in chichester in west sussex.
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@ straw44berry 27 Oct, 2012 – 7:32 am
“@ NR Re GW case
The following Telegraph article:-”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9228651/Interest-in-womens-clothing-and-sadomasochism-would-not-have-prevented-Gareth-Williams-joining-MI6-inquest-hears.html
I recall GW’s sister and Ms. Guthrie assured everyone GW wasn’t gay or into cross-dressing or he would have told them – maybe or maybe not. They said the red wig was for a costume party and the expensive designer clothes and shoes were most likely gifts for them. Don’t know much about that, but I’d think he’d give a gift certificate for those. Don’t they need to be custom fitted? Others suggested they were part of his work – gifts for Ghaddafi maybe? While police said almost no dresses were worn, and only a few pairs of shoes, the rest in original packages, they never said if they’d tested the ones that were worn for DNA or hairs to see who had worn them.
…says Elizabeth Guthrie a friend of GW…..
http://www.comicvine.com/elizabeth-guthrie/29-3186/
Very funny. You got me on that.
He hadn’t lived there for a long time. Think he has been living in Brussels for quite a while.
Of course, it didn’t stop him from meeting Saad anytime he visited the Headquarter in Leatherhead.
The more interesting thing about Mockford’s work is that he had just retired, and was selling out to go to Thailand for his retirement.
Certainly looks like a vengeance killing for something he had already done, like helping out al-Hilli and Mollier.
Keep coming up with dead ends, red-herrings and assorted irrelevancies, Bluebird; the odds are way past time for you to hit something useful by accident.
@BB
Who would have an interest for this technology?
Boeing would BB cant stay on my way out .
Exxon technology (mockfort) has got hundreds of patents regarding hafnium and zirconium use for catalysts, polymerization and nano technology. Just search google for exxon patents regarding hafnium …
I found one nano technology patent that mentions al hilli. However we dont know whether this is the dutch or the dead al hilli. It is pure speculation whether or not it is him but we should know that this sxists.
Search that link for “hilli” to find it quickly.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20110091510?pg=PA24&dq=%22al+hilli%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=s7iLUP6yNdHAtAbw-IGwBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA
@ Q 27 Oct, 2012 – 12:30 am
“@NR: Getting tritium into Iran was so much simpler: obtain tritium signs from big blue box store in US, recycle it into lights and voila, a legal way to export tritium to Iran.
As for Colorado, do you think SSTL’s branch is located there due to its signal ops base?”
SSTL seems to be everywhere and into everything. They were competitors with Radarsat Constellation, a high-technology earth-observation satellite being developed by MacDonald Dettwiler and benefited when the Canadian government didn’t fund that for a time. The Russians use SSTL modules in their own satellites and in turn launch SSTL’s satellites on Soyuz rockets out of Uzbekistan, where Russian billionaires, Canadian scamsters and Bill Clinton all party, party, party with the Uzbeki elite.
Track24 is another company involved in satellites. Based in Ottawa and the UAE.
They’re also listed as a security company.
http://www.aprodex.com/view-alli.aspx
Track24 Tracking and crisis management solutions
as is SNC-Lavalin PAE
Provide Logistics support services to the Canadian military on deployed international operations
Too many connections.