Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • Katie

    Yes age may have been a problem in the workings of it, but a cannot see how bit would fall off it, what’s more it clearly did work well. The same article is saying this was a lone nutter………yeah right !

    I refute the description of this panic reversing too, look at the photo, the car is in a tight corner, it was parked there for a reason,had the car been anywhere in the middle area & reversed to leave he would be on the road, had he been reversing to get out of that spot on the photo his wheels would not be facing straight forward , meaning Mollier could not have been dragged by the car.

    The ‘leak’ is a police FAIRYTALE ™

  • NR

    @ Q
    @ Felix 28 Oct, 2012 – 12:28 am
    “@NR Aangirfan joins the dots, plus adds some anon info.
    The second Williams link [I think I found that independently] has a link with some info about his PhD supervisor at Manchester (now at, coincidentally, Bangor University) Professor (William) Terry Hewitt was GW’s referee for his MI5 vetting. Hewitt has his own company WTH Associates Ltd. ”
    http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1315388_professor_who_helped_death_riddle_spy_get__job_at_mi6

    @ Trowbridge H. Ford 29 Sep, 2012 – 9:37 am
    “For Bo Xilai to take over from Hu Jintao as President, and with a group of corrupt cronies as his underlings.
    For details, consult Sir John Sawers at MI6. And while you are at it, ask him what really happened to not only Loftus and Rawlings, but also Gareth Williams where it all started.”

    That story in the Manchester Evening News had the followings bits, that reminded me of something.
    “Gareth, whose body was found stuffed inside a bag at his flat, gained a PhD in computer game technology at Manchester University.”
    “Metropolitan Police have yet to describe the death as a murder, with one line of inquiry that he may have died as a result of a botched sex game.”

    What other cute dude, same age, over at Concordia, specialized in computer game technology, and came to a bad and most unusual end, possibly the result of a botched sex game, involving a (sometimes) devastatingly good-looking dude, same age, noted for wearing bad wigs now and then, but no designer gowns or womens undies.

    “Manchester also has a strong history in applications… including the UK’s national data service and access grid support center. Manchester operates a Cray T3E, SGI Altix and a 2000-processor Dell for particle physics.”

    Concordia also did high end computing, don’t know about Crays, but one of their specialties was animation and gaming which requires lots of computing power for fast rendering.

    Headline – “MI6 Spy in the Bag Gareth Williams’s Death ‘May Never be Solved” – Where have we heard that recently.

    I am thinking the only thing that isn’t connected is Lindsay Lohan’s car accidents. Then again, she might be the femme fatale who ties this all together.

    Too confusing. 1 Mystery @ 1 Time.

    Somebody, forget who, was asking about computers for designing nukes:
    “Ben Ralston talked about the Atomic Weapons Establishment’s (AWE) recent procurement that resulted in a win for a 40-teraflop Cray XT3 system. AWE’s very demanding application helps maintain the UK’s deterrent. The new system boosts sustained performance 25x, even though peak performance rose only 14x. The system will have 3,944 nodes of dual-core Opterons at 2.6 GHz. AWE expects to fully commission the system over the next few weeks. The benchmarks represented AWE users’ codes (physics, engineering, material science) and results were weighted according to how heavily each codes is used at AWE. The tests were run on up to 4,096 processing elements.”

    The one’s in SAH’s place in Claygate would not do for nuke simulation, but he might want a bit of extra computing power for doing mechanical design and CAD, for AirBus kitchens, parts of nukes, whatever.

    @ Q
    Yes indeed, starting in 2009 – 2010 many interesting things started happening, including pre-framing a patsy.

  • Katie

    Saddam ‘details stolen billions’

    ” Saddam: Long suspected of siphoning off billions
    Iraq’s ousted leader Saddam Hussein has given his captors information about billions of dollars he stashed abroad while in power, an Iraqi official says.
    Iyad Allawi of the Iraqi Governing Council told two Arabic newspapers that …Saddam Hussein had also named people who knew where the money was deposited.

    Mr Allawi’s comments have so far not been confirmed by other IGC members.

    Saddam Hussein has been held at an undisclosed location since his capture by US forces on 14 December.

    Fictitious names

    Mr Allawi told London-based newspapers Al-Hayat and Asharq al-Awsat that Saddam Hussein had acknowledged sending money to foreign bank accounts before he was deposed.

    “Saddam has started to give information on money that has been looted from Iraq and deposited abroad,” Mr Allawi said, adding that the amount stolen was put at $40bn.

    “We have asked international legal and specialised companies to follow up the money (Saddam Hussein) deposited in Switzerland, Germany and Japan and other countries under fictitious company names,” Mr Allawi told Al-Hayat.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3354765.stm

  • Katie

    Comment in Moderation saying, ‘Saddam named the people who knew where the missing billions were’.
    There must have been be a few not sleeping too well

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Love the story that The Guardian is pushing sbout Saddam Hussein’s money to Papa al-Hilli being responsible for the murders.

    Of course, the money has been in that Swiss bnak account for years, wasn’t touched when the massacre occurred, and no suggestion about who was responsible for the killings.

    All we have is the credibility of the German BND when it comes to Israeli alleged crimes.

    The best evidence we have is that ‘Curveball’ coughed up when it came to Saddam’s alleged WMD, and what happened to Jurgen Möllemann when he tried to take advantage of it at Angela Merkel’s expense.

    The Mossad, it seems, cut not only the straps to noisy Jurgen’s parachute but also those of poor Royal Cadet Stephen Hilder’s to make it look like such alleged suicides were commonplace.

    It also resulted in neither the RMP nor the TVP investigating another most unnecessary murder when the Mossad was setting up Dr. David Kelly to take the apparent hit from the deposed Iraqi dictator.

    The Mossad has had the German Chancellor in its pocket ever since it discovered that she was the KGB/Stasi spy ANITA who got all those wayward Romeos – including her future husband,it seems – to shape up for Moscow.

    You, especially fiction writers, just cannot keep up with the real crap occurring these days.

  • Katie

    Food for Oil

    U.N. officials say the program was under intense scrutiny, but the Security Council permitted Iraq, not U.N. administrators, to select which companies were part of the program.

    And many had obviously suspect backgrounds, including everyone “from Mafia to terrorists to money launderers to anybody that wanted to make a quick buck,” said human rights investigator John Fawcett.

    Two companies apparently were little more than post office boxes in the tiny country of Liechtenstein. Sevan said they were never verified: “I am not an FBI, I’m not an investigation office,” he said.

    Companies Bribed Saddam for Contracts

    But that’s not what British businessman Swara Khadir found when his company sought contracts to sell Iraqi oil. “We discovered that we had to bribe a lot of people,” said Khadir. “And because it was Iraqi oil we were talking about, it was bribing top Saddam officials.”

    Khadir refused to go along [with the bribes], but still has the Iraqi documents instructing him in which Swiss and Jordanian bank accounts the bribe money should be deposited.

    DID KADHIM ALSO RETAIN SUCH DOCUMENTS…………FOUND ALONG WITH WITH HIS WILL ?

    { http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129691&page=1}

    GMH Banking & Finance

    “With a vision to extend GMH’s activities into the banking sector Compagnie Internationale de Participations Bancaires en Financières SA, Cipaf was establised in 1982 as a Luxumbourgish subsidiary company. Soon the Paribas Group joined forces with Cipaf and acquired Banque Continentale du Luxembourg and a significant stake in Banque Paribas Luxembourg. The Group has since divested its interests in these two banks.

    The group’s other interests in the banking and finance sector include participation in the Grand Cayman based private investment company and in Jordan’s Union Bank for Savings and Investment, Jordan Bank and Jordan Kuwaiti Bank. Through subsidiaries in the UK, the group is engaged in asset funding and other commercial finance activities. Additionally, the group is also active in the capital and bond markets trading in the international financial markets and exchanges notably in London, New York, Paris and Frankfurt.

    GMH’s objectives are to continue to strengthen its presence in the Banking and Finance sectors with organic growth and acquisitions”.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Throw, I will investigate Jurgen Möllemann. We used to hear his name, but not anymore. I will investigate what could have happened to him.
    With regards to ‘Curveball’ – I don’t know if you have seen my website, but a Danish journalist from the national broadcaster, DR, Poul-Erik Heilbuth tracked him down in Germany 2½ years ago. He is the only one who has done so. He was invited in for coffee, and while the two are sitting over coffee, and Heilbuth tries to peruade him to give an interview, police and intelligence officers with machine guns storms in. You can see the movie here. Its called: Manden der løj verden i krig”.
    [Literally: The Man who Lied the World into War] Here it is:

    http://vimeo.com/18817333
    I will try to figure out what it could be called in english, because I’m sure it has been sold abroad.

  • James

    Re Katie’s point on the missing millions.

    I find it hard to believe, but then again a killing over “nuke metal” smuggling is turning up nothing (other than, it does go on, but the norm is prison, not shootings).

    And…. if papa bear had two sons, into property developing (the brothers did “do up” one house together) wouldn’t 800K come in handy ? Unless it could not be moved (declared in the U.K.) or touched (not actually his in the first place).

    So…if the money came from “somewhere else”, it wasn’t from the factory in Bagbad (that wasn’t run by them from the U.K.) and not from the brothers hard graft !

    Maybe not hidden by Saddams regime…but stolen from Saddams regime ?

    Maybe the brothers didn’t know about it…until the fathers death.
    And maybe only “one” brother knew about it then ?

    But what of Mollier ? And uphill racer, heading up a mountain bikers route ?

    None of this makes any sense…only that Billy’s accountants are pretty specialized !

  • Katie

    James, give it more thought, it all wraps together well.
    Those ‘important papers’ AH mentioned are the proof of what really happened in Iraq, Saddams regime & oil for food prog, they contain names………of some very dangerous people !!!!

    Bluebird will whoop with joy when reading this turn of events.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    I just stumbled across this interview with ‘Curveball’ [length 6:32] uploaded to YouTube in april 2012, and presumably from around this time. As the BBC correctly states, this is the first time ‘Curveball’ has been interviewed in Britain ;-).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvKVGmAc54c

    He seems quite honest when he says his motivation was to get rid of the tyrant. But of course we don’t know if he got any money from the neo-cons for saying so

  • James

    Katie

    I know the “food for oil” programme was corrupt.
    And right at the top very (Kojo Annan, the son of the Sec Gen of the U.N, Kofi).
    I guess if your dad has the right job, you can get in anywhere !

    And re SAH’s dad. Well things change in Iraq, if money is involved.
    Look at Saddams dughters husband for instance.
    After her husbands “death”, she became “head banker” for her dad !

    But there has to be a link with “grandpapa” and the saddam regime.
    Or rather, the banking dept of the regime.

    And what of Mollier ? Was he really on “3 years paternal leave” or just 3 months ? How does he link in to it all ?

  • Katie

    As for the money James, imagine the shock to the sons finding out the money was not fathers but Saddams, so they couldn’t inherit it.
    Was Zaid trying to get at it [ underhand things ] but Saad knew he would be doing something illegal so that’s why he put in a caveat as he wanted things sorted out legally ?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    It’s just ridiculous to suggest that the money should be ‘Saddams’, because Kadhim left Iraq in 1979 because he fell out with Saddam, and Saddam surely wouldn’t trust such a prominent Shia with any form of funds.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    We only have German Intelligence (a contradiction inb terms if ever there was one) as a source. And all of it is just being reported</em< by a newspaper who wants to sell some copies. Elsewhere news articles are incresingly viewed online, but apparently France still has large volumes of print sales.

    These 'revelations' are essentially no different from last weekends in 'Le Parisien', which was dismissed by the lead investigator as pure speculation.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Throw,
    I have just finished reading the page of yours that you linked to (your website) and whereas my website does nothing else than refer to primarily the findings of the eminent professors Stephen M. Walt John j. Mearsheimer, and only on one page ventures into speculation on my own, yours are filled with no less than 3 murders that you suggest Mossad was behind. I’m surprised you don’t also propose that they were behind the murder of Anna Lind.

    For the average reader this is just too much. You may be right in your assertions, but most people are put off by so many controversial claims all on the same page. From a communication point of view this cannot be clever, because the aim is presumably that people 1) should stay and read on and 2)learn something so they will then get out and “spread the message”.

  • Katie

    I agree there Kenneth having checked dates it looks like Kadhim was still in favour , I have no reason to think the Germans would need to lie about this.
    Looks like father fed us a load of bull about leaving after falling out with the regime.

    Kadhim was well up in the government but I don’t know in what capacity.

  • Tim V

    Intp1
    28 Oct, 2012 – 7:06 am – My friend from Logophere posted this which may be a possible explanation.

    The Gutter Grunt says on October 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm:
    Tim

    Identification of the gun as Luger must have come from the pieces they found. I am no arms expert, but I have read numerous accounts of how hard or impossible it is to identify a gun by firing pin impressions. But what sort of “fragments of the gun” could there be? The only thing I can imagine is that this Luger had plastic hand grips and one of them splintered when the kid was being pistol whipped. At any rate, what a great job of evidence collecting the cops did to find the pieces and type them to a Luger.

    These Lugers take 8-shot clips, so at least 4 required. One in the gun and 3 carried. This is not the Stryker that the Romanian guy was claiming was the weapon weeks ago. Where did that guy come from?? The Luger and clips would have been easily carried by Martin in a back pocket in one of those biking jerseys. What argues against the Martin theory is why would he take 4 clips if he only intended to kill one person? I probably would just out of nervousness and over-planning, but I don’t know that most people would.

    Here’s a link showing the parts of these Lugers close-up: http://www.bimbel.de/artikel/artikel-45.html

    And here’s a link discussing the plastic grips. Plastic grips are widely sold for these pistols. http://luger.gunboards.com/archive/index.php/t-1334.html

  • Katie

    We need to know who paid for the Claygate house, do the Germans know that too ?
    I doubt there’s ever been a mortgage.

  • Katie

    High position in Iraqi government

    “Al-Tikriti was a leading figure in the Mukhabarat, the intelligence service that later turned to another agency performing the duty of Secret Police, from the 1970s, later taking over as director. During his time in the secret police, al-Tikriti played a key role in the Iraqi regime’s execution of opponents at home and assassinations abroad. He was also known for his ruthlessness and brutality in purging the Iraqi military of anyone seen as disloyal.[2]
    Al-Tikriti became Iraq’s representative to the United Nations in Geneva—including the UN Human Rights Committee—in 1989. He was in Geneva for almost a decade, during which he is believed to have managed clandestine accounts for the Iraqi president’s overseas fortune.[3] This task was then taken over by a network of foreign brokers, since Hussein had decided that no one in Iraq could be trusted with this task”

    So, when all those assassinations were taking place in the UK during the 80/90’s the Al Hilli’s were left alone… could this be why:

    “In the 1980s and 1990s Britain became a haven for fugitive Baathists, some of whom worked closely with British intelligence, and became targets for a series of assassination plots, some successful, that were organized by Mr. Hussein’s secret police.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/world/europe/british-police-evacuate-area-around-home-of-alps-murder-victims.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    You are quite right about writing articles regarding the Anna Lindh assassination, as I have writtten several – this one being the most detailed one, relating it to the previous assassinations of Serbia’s Zoran Djindjic and Britain’s Dr. Kelly:

    http://codshit.blogspot.se/2007/06/recent-undisclosed-mossad-false-flag.html

    And you are quite right about the knowledge, and attention span of most posters, but there is no way that I can, a guy almost 83 years old, ever get them up to speed about anything much going on these days.

    And you certainly have a hang-up about throwbridges, as my first name is trowbridge, also a real kind of bridge.

  • Tim V

    However the location and distribution of cartridges has to be explained. I am no firearms expert (over to whoever?) but I understood the Luger expelled from the top. You will remember Maillaud initially stated fifteen or sixteen shell cases had been found. This was later updated to twenty-five when the balance was found UNDER the car. From this it may be fairly surely adduced that these were shots taken before the car reversed over the resultant casings. For this to happen if the shots were taken on the near side it would have to be from a gun that ejected to the right. If shots fired from the drivers/offside, eject to the left. So now over to you fire arms experts. What models fit the bill?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Thorw, I had no idea you were 83 years old! All this could have been remedied by issuing a picture of yourself. most bloggers who are on about something do that, – that also strenghtens credibility.

  • straw44berry

    Tim V,
    I initially thought Maillaud meant the remainder were under the car, 10 seems a lot to be under the car but I believe he now meant once he included those inside/or under the car. If the women for example were dying slumped forward from their initial wounds shooting them twice to the forehead wouldnt be so easy.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Thorw, I think you will find it interesting to read the diaries of Guy Liddell 1945-53, which were released Friday and which I posted a link to on that day. He really is a sensible guy, writes excellent and short. And he typewrites, so it is easy to read. He even index all names.

    It is thrilling to be one of the first in the world who reads them. Presumably not even David Irving has read them, as his main field of interest is WW2. But Guy refers to several captured documents as well as interogation of prisoners, in this badge from July 1945 that I’m, currently reading.

  • Katie

    Would these shells have been travelling at speed , could they have bounced off the car or do they ‘drop ‘when the gun is fired , could they have rolled under the car.

    [Sorry if this is naive but that’s the way I’m happy to be about guns]

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