Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • James

    Kathy

    Then if there has to be a court order, I wonder why or what they detailed as “the cause” for such an order ?

    And they certainly found a foster family very quickly, or do they mean “police protection” ?

  • NR

    Anyone know where in Pimlico the Al Hillis lived when they first settled in London? It would be a hoot if it was 6’s “unsafe house”.

    36, Alderney Street, Pimlico, was bought for £675,250 in 2000 with a mortgage from the Royal Bank of Scotland and has been remortgaged twice, in September 2005 and February 2006

    New Rodina – A company registered in the British Virgin Islands and is not listed with Companies House. Rodina – In Russian and Bulgarian rodina means motherland

    Park Nelson – A London law firm said to represent the owners of 36, Alderney Street, Pimlico London

    @ Jon – What is up with having to solve higher maths to post things now? You think we’re all geniuses from Cambridge? Some of us don’t know that complicated stuff anymore. 1+1=2 would work just as good.

  • Q

    Foster family was mentioned in older news stories. Does “foster family” live in a safe house?

  • Tim V

    Thank you Kempe
    28 Oct, 2012 – 5:25 pm. Am I right that the Walther shown ejects to the left? The graphics I have seen place a lot of shells on the ground outside the rear off side door. If my thinking is correct this can only be explained by a LEFT ejecting gun from shooting through the driver’s side front and back. This at least would rule out a Luger there. If however ten casings were under the car it either came from a non- Luger being used on the driver’s side, or a Luger type on the near side. Obviously if the killers are shooting whilst the car is reversing this can explain how the cases end up under it but in addition of course if true, it would mean TWO weapons of different types were used in the attack, and at least TWO KILLERS.

  • kathy

    @ Felix

    I think the uncle is probably acting as the family spokesman as the most senior male in the family. I doubt they are considering nationality in the midst of such a family tragedy especially as Sweden has shown zero interest in the plight of their citizens abroad. Although Zaid is probably British, he certainly would’nt be able to speak out since his name has been pretty much blackened by the press.

  • James

    …and not one reporter has mentioned “Fifty Five Strange Gate”.

    All there is, is “a leaked source said”.
    Guess that’s the new way of reporting. Report something totally deniable !

  • Katie

    Dopey, it’s all a bit of joke, because if you get the first one wrong you have another chance !
    I wonder how many we have to get wrong before we’re banned ?
    LoL !!

  • Tim V

    Katie
    28 Oct, 2012 – 4:06 pm “Would these shells have been travelling at speed , could they have bounced off the car or do they ‘drop ‘when the gun is fired , could they have rolled under the car.”

    Yup, sorry to say I’m pretty ignorant about guns too except the ones I had as a cowboy! However Prosecutor Mailland didn’t correct the number of shells until the car was moved so I think we can be fairly confident the ten extra were either under the car or in the car. I have seen reports were inside but as with everything certainty is not possible. If as I think likely cartridges are ejected at 90 degrees to the line of fire it is fairly straight forward to work out the options of where they would end up given the holes or fracture marks to front and side. Working back the other way, as long as the police did their job properly and precisely recorded their final positions, a lot of information can be gleaned to indicate where people were and what type of gun was used in addition to what is gained from ballistics. If cases were found inside the car it suggests the arm and weapon was placed inside. Apologies if you feel I am only stating the obvious but it can have major implications for reconstructing events.

  • straw44berry

    Its a good line of thought

    After initially being told no shots hit the bodywork & windscreen how many dents on the car could be made by shots?

    This may require some circling on a photo on Icke.

  • Tim V

    Katie
    28 Oct, 2012 – 7:29 pm Another reason might be that either or both are saying inconvenient truths that need to be “managed”?

  • Tim V

    Ferret
    28 Oct, 2012 – 7:29 pm Silver Fern accounts when I saw them recorded assets of about 210.000 and liabilities of three times that amount. Was the French place on the business books and if so as a liability or asset?

  • Katie

    Thanks Tim, I am pretty sure the extra shells must have been found inside the car, it would be impossible to get two bullets into each adults foreheads accurately through windows,especially as the glass goes opaque after a bullet goes through it & there were also body shots.

    I’m also very skeptical about Zainab saying Saad was not in the car at the time of the shooting, is that a French supposition or did she ‘really’ say it ? Could she mean they got out of the car together, he has a pee & got back in but she stayed out,being a seven year old she would not want to sit in the car especially as they are supposed to have been there for a time.
    No way would he have run to the car without grabbing her & what of her mother/grandmother,surely she would have opened the door to shout ‘get in’ ?

  • Tim V

    Straw44berry
    28 Oct, 2012 – 9:31 pm I included a calculation in an earlier post straw. sorry sufferin overload at the moment so can’t face lookin now

  • Q

    @NR: A Pimlico connection to the al-Hillis would be the icing on this cake. Gareth Williams at the old al-Hilli hacienda? Probable, the way this story is going.

  • Ferret

    @TimV

    The house is a fixed asset and yes it’s on the books. You can’t go by the summary accts on Duedil they are misleading: SF’s assets (fixed and liquid) actually cover all its liabilities apart from the £60k they’ve lost so far, over 6 years or so trading. You have to download the full accounts to see this though.

  • bluebird

    Off topic: Regarding the math

    It is by far better as a spam filter than typing those crazy words that i cannot even read because it is using a weird font (as to be seen in other blogs).

    The more popular such a blog gets, the more spam it receives.
    Given the fact that there is no registration process for posting (why is that, jon) the number of automatic robot created spams must be extreme.

    However, robots are better and faster in doing maths than any of us.

  • straw44berry

    You did Tim V – If we use that info as a starting point(I need to go back and find it too) and then see if some of the marks indicate location of shooter. Also if anyone sees anymore.

  • Tim V

    slight problem with that Katie
    28 Oct, 2012 – 9:39 pm. Think you may have overlooked the slight problem of LOCKED doors. If they were locked throut shooting only the rear near side door avails itself of inside shot, Cant see rear off side so we dont know if that was the same but front ones remained in situ apart from Martin’s hole drivers side and a small one on nearside which i previously suggested might have been made by a buttet from the OTHER side.

  • straw44berry

    The rear nearside window has completely gone?
    One report in the last 2 days says there wasnt enough glass on the floor of the car park??

    I will try and find the report….

  • Jon

    Hi all

    Good to see that the new CAPTCHA device isn’t stopping people posting. Yes, spam is a problem here, as is people’s contributions incorrectly going to the moderation queue.

    Our first anti-spam system was good but not great, and a replacement tried last week was worse. The latter made use of a third-party internet database of spam sources, and one or two people raised privacy objections to this sort of comment checking.

    So, I am trying a CAPTCHA test instead. We could use an image thing, so long as the fonts/angles are not too distorted (they can be very annoying). Registration is another option, but a couple of people have expressed privacy concerns here too, which leaves me running out of options! The CAPTCHA seems to be the best compromise: it meets the most stringent privacy requirements I’ve encountered, whilst being effective at stemming the spam.

    (Addendum: It’s true that some spambots are programmed to solve CAPTCHAs, but the vast majority do not. If they start getting through, I’ll tweak some settings).

  • Felix

    @11.29pm
    A further resident at Impasse Ducoux 215, no. 215 A :
    ZONI (PRODO) CATHERINE 215 A IMPASSE FRANCOIS DECOUX
    74210 LATHUILE
    Tél. : 04.50.44.37.27
    Childminer –
    http://www.lathuile.fr/wp-content/fichiers/ListeAssistantesMaternellesLathuile.pdf
    Family – Nicolas Zoni, delivery driver who has a bright yellow Talbot Samba rally car, which even Brett Martin might recognise if it came down a hill towards him..
    {http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1602538271417&set=pb.1474917322.-2207520000.1351465148&type=3&theater}
    {http://www.facebook.com/zoni.catherine}
    Are these flats in a single building, anyone? Seems a lot of different people at one house number.

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