The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Since the expiry date is printed on the card you’d have to be really thick to think you could still use it after the date had expired….and isn’t there a limit on the amount you can withdraw in a day anyway?
Sounds a load of rubbish to me, and another attempt by the media/TPTB to shift things back to the brother again.
I cant believe that facts in early reports I obviously just glossed over now have more relevance…..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200062/Amid-quiet.html
In the overhead photo the car isnt touching any saplings. Where are the broken saplings (photographed) in the above report and when/where did the BMW crash into the trees? Or was it another vehicle?
These trees are split???
Some research about the al hillis in the 1970tees. It was not easy to verify but i guess that i got it.
First of: they never lived in pimlico. It was just saad and likely his siblings who went to school in pimlico. However they only lived 15 minutes from pimlico by tube or car.
History
I have entry from 1972-1981 continuously for khadim’s brother hashim for address:
6 roehampton ct. , queens ride, mortlake, london
In 1972 his brother khadim lived nearby.
In 24 cornerways, upper richmond rd., mortlake, london
From 1973 to 1981 khadim moved to:
90 march ct, warwick dv, gibbon, putney.
This is not too far from pimlico for going to a better school there.
However, by searching this history i found a much better information.
There were 3 children born in the 1970tees in surrey. Their mothrr’s name is “al hilli”
However, the fathers surname is HUSSAIN.
Believe what you like. There are many hussains in thos world.
Details
Mohammad hussain born 1971 surrey mother al hilli
Tarq hussain born 1973 sirrey mother al hilli
Rezyya hussain born 1074 surrey mother al hilli
@Dopey: Curious bow the leaks never involve Saad al-Hilli’s job in the satellite/aerospace industry, nor do they address Sylvain Mollier’s nuclear connection.
These things would conflict with the pre-drawn conclusion: it’s a family dispute. Nothing to see here, except the elephant in the room.
Bluebird
Do you know where Kadhim moved to from 1981? Reports said that Swiss account was opened in 1980 (I think)
Unfortunately there is a gap of no information between 1983 and 2003. In 2003 we have documents regarding the claygate house. Nothing in between.
@Dopey
28 Oct, 2012 – 11:30 pm
“Eric Maillaud, the Annecy prosecutor who is leading the enquiry into the murders, confirmed that the account was opened in 1984 and had barely been touched since that time.”
( From Telegraph )
Thanks Thomas and Bluebird
There is also a document of a “V. al Hilli” living in Khadim’s putney house. DID Saad have another brother or sister we dont know about? Or did khadim have a younger sister?
However, i am eager to link the al hilli mother who had born 3 children in the uk for mr.hussain.
Whoever hussain the father would be. It sounds exciting because mohammad would be older than uday.
@ Q 28 Oct, 2012 – 8:48 pm
“@NR: There seems to be a certain attraction to bad red wigs and bad red hair, all the way from Pimlico to Montreal to Colorado.”
I forgot about Colorado. Red wigs/hair and scopolamine or some such. That fits real well with Pimlico and Montreal. Others suggested it with Colorado too. Wonder if the medical examiners thought to check for that. I recall with Gareth they found traces of a date rape drug, but also said that could be a product of decomposition.
@ dopey 28 Oct, 2012 – 11:10 pm
“Sounds a load of rubbish to me, and another attempt by the media/TPTB to shift things back to the brother again.”
Aked, Stedman & Saltman all pushed details to steer the story. Why, in a media interview, mention the anti-Israeli unencrypted chats (nobody has found those) or the “banks” of computers, the brothers’ dispute, or a mysterious secret message revealed only to police? Where did the story about the “illegal” Taser come from, like that’s some big deal.
BM, I think, is largely telling the truth, with a few vital alterations or omissions.
That Swiss account was presumably earning interest.
So, was the original amount that £800k and “barely touched” meant the capital remained intact and the interest was withdrawn as and when?
Or was the original amount significantly less and grew to that amount with interest over the years? Over 25 years any money deposited would at least double in value..at least.
I still can’t eliminate Zaid as a suspect.
If true about the locks on house being changed to keep Zaid out,
what could he been after, a current credit card? pin numbers ?
Don’t know why he still denies a feud with Saad.
Did we ever figure out why Iqbal’s brother had a completely
different surname to his parents?
Good Mockford piece in the Mail –
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224301/Nicholas-Mockford-Widow-British-oil-executive-shot-dead-Brussels-denies-target-hitmen.html
They live in Leembergen, yet “Chantal Delem, the wife of a Emile Dupuis, whose hairdressing salon faces the murder scene told The Sunday Times: ‘I spoke to Mary. She was angry about the things in the press, the theories. She said Nicholas was the nicest of men, that it was a mugging.'”
Miss Delem told then [sic] newspaper Mrs Mockford said she had not heard the gun shot because she thinks she and her husband were attacked at the same time….
Miss Delem said she and her husband held Mrs Mockford down so she [M Mockford] would not be able to see her husband but she [M.Mockford] later said she would have ‘preferred to see him.’
Is that Mr Dupuis blanked out, speaking in the Video which the Mail has borrowed from another early Belgian source??
The Mockfords live out in a rurban village to the north:
{https://maps.google.com/maps?q=grimbergen+Leeuwerikenstraat+71&hl=en&ll=50.932645,4.40232&spn=0.007505,0.013797&sll=50.93063,4.37788&sspn=0.030023,0.055189&hnear=Leeuwerikenstraat+71,+Grimbergen+1850+Grimbergen,+Vlaams-Brabant,+Vlaams+Gewest,+Belgium&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=50.932974,4.401075&panoid=ELvNQbpdf5qH48SHONnojw&cbp=12,163.49,,0,0}
I guess the salon is Pacheco at no 290.
http://archives.sudpresse.be/neder-over-heembeek-drame-car-jacking-mortel-rue-de_t-20121016-H44NRF.html
According to Sudpresse.be on October 16, a very early report, this very same friend (?) of Mrs M was also a witness.
A resident, Chantal says: “I looked out my window and saw a man lying in his blood on the street. [it is 10pm, completely dark…] Not far from him was a woman. I also saw a few meters two men who both wore a motorcycle helmet. “The resident then rushed to the victims with blankets. “I felt sorry for the woman. Her face was covered in blood and she was shivering with cold. But her husband was in a much worse state. ‘ No kidding.
Are we to assume that she “spoke to Mary” after the shooting? Or did she know “Mary” before? If the latter, an amazing coincidence. They don’t seem acquainted in the Sudpresse piece. The salon doesn’t quite face the murder scene, rather it is on the same side as the restaurant, going away from the site of the shooting
{http://www.facebook.com/chantal.delem}
Kinesis therapist – Chantal Delem, 92, Rue G.Moreau 1070 Bruxelles
Is all this credible?
@ Bluebird
I think any relative of Saddam Hussein would have the family name of al Tikriti as Saddam himself had. They were from Tikrit in other words.
Two corrections
V. al hilli is a scan ocr- error of the british telephone book. I checked the original scan and it is K. al hilli. Therefore no v. al hilli in khadim’s putney house.
My second error was that i said that mohammad would be older than uday. Not correct. Uday 1964 born and mohammad 1971.
However, who was that al hilli mother of the 3 hussain children? Did hashim and khadim have a younger sister and took her with them from iraq to surrey?
@Bluebird
Good work – I might be able to develop a little with some time.
@NR I have just transcribed BM’s recordings. I kept laughing as I did it, so unrealistic was it all. Afraid I can’t believe a word of it, and I have tried. It really is devoid of realistic content, padded out with basically nothing. That he has vanished says it all for me. Nobody else has.
Kathy
Basically you are correct. However, his regular sons have also just hussein surnames. No al tikriti in their names.
However, there are hundreds of husseins/hussains in the uk. Everything linking between the al hilli mother from northern surrey(!!) and saddam is just exciting speculation since he already was married with sajida in 1970. But given what we know it has a bit of exciting realism.
@ Bluebird
What has Uday got to do with it?
Bluebird
No, Saddam’s sons were also al Tikriti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uday_Hussein.
Kathy
Officially they did never use the al tikriti. They were qusam and uday hussein. In arab passports they would use their al tikriti perhaps. Not so outside the arab world. Uday has nothing todo with that. I just compared the age of those children and it fits well. But nothing more than conspiracy although the 3 surrey kids with the al hilli mother and the hussein father do exist.
Felix
The putney house is impressive. Not the house a poor immigrant is able to live in. I watched the march court houses and they look impressive but look as having been refurbished since the 1970tees.
I found a real estate ad and was wondering that a company that is specialised in dubai and uae estates is offering the flazs there. Obviously march court is owned by arab investors.
http://www.hamptons.ae/en-ae/property-details/?propertyref=PUT110092
Felix
Uae and dubai specialised realestate is offering march court properties.
http://www.hamptons.ae/en-ae/property-details/?propertyref=PUT110092
Felix
Look what an exciting company i have found in march court, putney. Only one step next to the former khadim al hilli flat.
http://www.creditgate.com/company_information/trident+safety+and+security+international+limited.aspx
It is dissolved but look the address of the director. Oops. A bee nest!
So march court is offered by dubai companies for rent and we have this company there. Ehatelse do we need?
Just another interesting conclusion.
At first in 1972 khadim and his family lived in a nice house that was two minutes from his brother’s impressive house in queens ride. When khadim moved to march court in 1973 he was just 1 minute off his brother’s Hashim impressive house. The families of the two brothers grew up next to each other until the time when khadim moved to the claygate house. Of course living next to each other is not unusual for immigrant families who dont know many other people in the new country.
Re Orphans, foster families, let’s not forget this early intervention:
Balsam Hilli-Xanthis, 59, a cousin of Iraq-born Mr Al-Hilli, has offered to help the orphaned children financially. A family source said: ‘Balsam called Surrey Police. She is in Iraq at the moment. She has made no official request for custody, she was offering to help, most likely in a financial way.’
[Daily Mail, Sept 9]
where is Balsam now???
@Bluebird
An interesting connection
Vassilis H Xanthis – Roehampton Court SW13 (Barnes, not Mortlake actually) director Roehampton Court Limited.
Check names at the address in SW14 [192.com]
Haydar Xanthis; Alexandros-Hashim Xanthis; George Xanthis
George Zafirif Xanthis (same address in Greece as Spiro Xanthis)- both of Eurotech Trading Ltd.
Balsam Hilli 20 Philimore Court Argyll Road London W8
Greek citizen. Co-director of Metricmark UK Ltd – Mr Saad Saleh Jabr (born 83 years ago) at the same address.
Director, Jordanian citizen.
15 May 1996 — Close
Another amazing coincidence: 6 Roehampton Court SW13 0HU: Ian David Hay [this postcode also checks with George Xanthis]
{http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/912312146}
I’ve seen this name before – another ex- director of Roehampton COurt Ltd. But, whoops!!
http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/ian-david-hay-and-another
I can’t find any company connections with 90 March Court, SW15, but at no 103 one found Iraqi citizen
Salam Karim Khan Mahmoud and Ms Medya Nooradin Ibrahim of recently dissolved company TRIDENT SAFETY AND SECURITY INTERNATIONAL LIMITED both of Erbil, Iraq.
@Bluebird
sorry for the duplication. Suspicious minds…
Verging on the ridiculous – Daily Mirror translating Le Monde…
A British father killed in the French Alps made a desperate bid to drive his family to safety under a hail of bullets, but his car got stuck on a verge and the gunman moved in to finish them off at close range, it was reported today.
{http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-saad-al-hillis-1403152}
@Ferret – this confirms the Guarian German link above:
German Secret services didn’t send anything…
, Benoît Vinnemann a indiqué qu’« aucun élément [n’avait] été transmis par les services secrets allemands au bureau de lutte antiterroriste de la gendarmerie ».
http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/10/29/le-dementi-des-enqueteurs-de-chevaline-864104-7.php
Thanks Felix. It does seem like an attempt to shift the blame back to financial issues between the brothers, esp coupled with that leak in the Torygraph about the expired credit card.
Mind you, Maillaud doesn’t sound too impressed with that, and says it’s not even been confirmed that it was Zaid who made the attempted withdrawal… so not much of a story really.
Mr Maillaud said investigators believe that Zaid Al-Hili was the person who tried to make the withdrawal but this has not been confirmed.
He said: “There’s an on-going investigation on that point. That said, these are events that aren’t all that recent, and well, it was merely an attempt that failed, so of course interesting, and we’ll need to ask him [Zaid] about it, but it unfortunately doesn’t give us much about the murder.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9639564/Alps-shooting-victims-brother-to-be-questioned-over-Swiss-credit-card.html
These “leaks” all have the same MO, some inside source says something juicy which turns out not to be if you read down to the bottom of the article.
@Dopey 28 Oct, 2012 – 11:48 pm
That Swiss account was presumably earning interest.
As far as I understand it, interest rates are historically very low in Switzerland, which is compensated for by anonymity and security.
However, the Swiss Franc has more than doubled in value against the pound since 1984.
And to me, the phrase “barely touched” indicates that there were very few withdrawals, and not in significant amounts.
@Ruby 29 Oct, 2012 – 12:17 am
If true about the locks on house being changed to keep Zaid out, what could he been after, a current credit card? pin numbers ?
Perhaps the lock-changing wasn’t to keep *Zaid* out. Maybe, as someone suggested here a long time ago, he got a suspicious “visit” while he was out, a “scare” by security services? Apparently this is standard Mossad MO if you don’t take the hint first time around. And remember he was reported as having told a neighbour he was afraid of being shot?
Don’t know why he still denies a feud with Saad.
Perhaps because (simplest explanation) there isn’t one? They may have had a disagreement or two about the inheritance as could be expected, but that doesn’t mean they were at war.
@TimV 28 Oct, 2012 – 9:58 pm.
tax dodge or safe house bought by MI5/6?
Perhaps WBM is genuine and he was originally investing in futures & options through SF, then after 4 years losing money his wife said “enough is enough, darling”, because she joined the board around the same time they bought the house. This would beg the question where the £600,000 came from in the first place, and why WBM’s sigs are all different on the accounts.
Alternatively, perhaps WBM doesn’t really exist as an individual person and is a secret service identity, carefully-crafted over many years. SF could then just be a vehicle to buy a safe house, with the money left essentially dormant for four years to make it look kosher.
All just my opinion, of course.
I don’t think it’s a tax dodge as it’s all declared, so tax can’t be evaded. And while they have lost £60k I don’t think they can offset future profits on the holiday home against losses on futures & options as these are not similar business activities.
Someone had a theory about money laundering which was nixed because the turnover is so low, and money-laundering companies have to have high turnovers to hide the dirty money.
@Bluebird
Sorry if I’m missing something, but what’s the link between Nadhmi Auchi (“Mr X”) and No 55?
And thanks for the great links about the new forms of energy research. Lasers, x-rays, hafnium? Couldn’t agree more.
Have you seen this link? The US facility doing the fusion research — the National Ignition Facility (NIF) at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) — joined forces last year with RAL and the AWE.
12 September 2011 – NIF News
LLNL has signed a memorandum of agreement with two long-term partners from the United Kingdom — Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory (RAL) and the Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE) — to engage in joint research directed at the exploration of the challenges associated with the design, development and delivery of Laser Inertial Fusion Energy (LIFE) power plants.
{http://www.hiper-laser.org/News%20and%20events/70presscoverage.html}
The UK company AWE and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory have now formally joined forces with the American facility [NIF], in a meeting at London’s Royal Society.
{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2035496/Laser-fusion-Huge-flash-released-energy-world-using.html}