The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Felix 29 Oct, 2012 – 12:49 am
I have just transcribed BM’s recordings. I kept laughing as I did it, so unrealistic was it all. Afraid I can’t believe a word of it, and I have tried. It really is devoid of realistic content, padded out with basically nothing. That he has vanished says it all for me. Nobody else has.
LOL. Would be interesting to see the transcription… I find his account totally and utterly unbelievable from start to finish.
Some of you keep asking how SM fits into your various hypotheses. And the closer your theory is to the Katie camp of ‘it were the Iraqis what done it’, or the even more unlikely ‘inheritance row’the more difficult this becomes to answer satisfactorily.
On the other hand, I have pointed out time and again that SM supported the French branch of the LaRouche organisation, which is a very strange beast, but undoubtedly a subsidiary of the CIA. See for example this: http://www.leopoldreport.com/LRsajt89.html
The leader of the Swedish branch of the LaRouche organisation since 2007 is one Hussein Askary. BB,you’re the expert on genealogy. What can we find out about this gentleman who writes on Middle Eastern affairs for the LaRouche publication The Executive Intelligence Review?
What are the present policies of LaRouche towards Iran/Iraq and nuclear technology and new energy technologies? You could not do better than by starting here:
http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2012/120202_lar_still_edge_war.html
Would these policies not resonate with SAH? Did mother-in-law have any contacts with LaRouche in Sweden?
Combine that with a leaky sieve to Tel Aviv, and I think you’ve got your killers.
Felix
Yes that is logic. Balsham al hilli is hashim’s daughter and she grew up in her father’s house just like saad and zaid grew up 1 minute distance from jer in their father’s house in putney at March Court.
Didnt you read my other post about March Court?
I mentioned that Iraqi security firm from Erbil that was 2 years in the same house at march court where the al hilli family lived. 103 march court is not only in the same house as 90 march court but supposingly even on the same floor. March court is being offered in dubai and in the uae for people who seek flats in the uk.
March court houses are likely owned by arabs. Perhaps even by iraqis. Perhaps even by the hussain family? I dont know.
I am pretty proud that i have solved the riddle of the whereabouts of the al hillis bezween
1972 and 1983.this is a huge step forward.
We should definitely investigate march court closer. This seems to be a middle east bee nest.
If i were a journalist in the uk then i would already sit in my car to interview the neighbourhood of the 1972-1983 al hilli houses/flats and look myself at march court. I would also look about the whereabouts of the 3 Hussain children with the al Hilli mother who were born in the early 1970tees in Northern Surrey. They shall verify who she really was and who their father really was. Did Saddam really have a third wife? Sending her to her family to the UK for giving birth for being able to hide that fact? Ok. That last sentence is speculation only. But who was that al hilli woman who shows up nowhere in the uk register except for giving birth to 3 Hussain children in northern surrey in the early 1970tees? Did Hashim and Kadhim have a sister?
Felix
I see that 2 of my posts from last night are still awaiting modrration.
Jon
The word that triggers moderation posts is r#e#a#l#e#s#t#a#te.
Could you please remove that from tha spam list because we need that word when we research properties. Thank you.
Morning all.
Tim don’t worry about the locked doors because they had to be open or unlocked when that shooting took place there is no other way. It was established doors can lock automatically after a set time & in any case we only have BM’s word for that. Don’t believe it.
Nobody.
What a laugh about the expired credit card, being used by Zaid the accountant,the very man under suspicion. Don’t believe it.
Dopey.
If there was a CC on that account money must have been withdrawn.
So the account was opened long before Saddam took the 600 million in 2003.
Kathy.
The Saddam women all but one, Huda, changed their names.
Mochyn.
You mention Millier + CIA….but that does fit with what I’ve been saying, that Mollier was an insider for Cesus. I just don’t believe this goes on to Tel A Viv.
Bluebird.
Saddam had the two official wives & rumoured to have two more BUT he was a known philanderer, so yes your theory is perfectly possible……this information would be highly secret , but you must remember that article about one of his official wives applied for asylum in Leeds,we were told it was refused.
Anyone applying for asylum would be crazy to admit they were another wife of Saddam.
Believe nothing of the official line !
@BB
Do you want Al Hilli address info from the 2001 UK Info Disk (directory enquiries)?
PS, Apparently the CC was tried ‘a few months ago’ so before the disaster.
Zaid surely would not have the card,my feeling is that, that attempt is more likely to have been made by one of Kadhims carers in Spain ?
Mochyn
Askari is a too hard thing for me to get useful information. Simply because the writing of his name can be different and i do not know anything about him. There are hussein askarys from pakistan, iran and iraq. We would need to know more about his whereabouts and roots. Also sweden is not as well documented than the uk.
He seems to have a teenage son called ibrahim who seems to be bored and he apparently lives in sumarhamar in sweden.
I found an excel file with all EAP party members from sweden including their address and phone number. Are you interested to know that link?
@ Katie 28 Oct, 2012 – 11:08
“U.N. officials say the program was under intense scrutiny, but the Security Council permitted Iraq, not U.N. administrators, to select which companies were part of the program.”
@James 28 Oct, 2012 – 12:16 pm
“Katie I know the “food for oil” programme was corrupt. And right at the top very (Kojo Annan, the son of the Sec Gen of the U.N, Kofi). I guess if your dad has the right job, you can get in anywhere!”
http://www.nysun.com/national/mystery-surfaces-over-apartment-of-kofi-annan/45403/
“As Secretary-General Annan prepares to leave his post at the United Nations, a mystery is surfacing surrounding his apartment on Roosevelt Island, subsidized by New York taxpayers, which is still in use by the family of his brother, Kobina Annan.”
“The apartment was where Mr. Annan and his wife lived before 1997, when he became secretary-general. The Roosevelt Island home is part of an estate of low-rent state-regulated housing. For years, the Annans saved considerable sums by occupying an apartment meant to help financially strapped low- to moderate-income New York families.”
“One question Mr. Annan has never addressed is why he and his wife felt comfortable availing themselves of this generous arrangement. Another is how it is that, since Mr. Annan and his wife left that Roosevelt Island apartment 10 years ago to move into the rent-free residence on Sutton Place supplied to the secretary-general, their former low-rent apartment was handed over to be occupied by the family of Mr. Annan’s brother.”
The sleaze of the corrupt elites knows no bounds. Like Bill taking a charitable tax deduction for the donation of his used underpants. [I’m sure right-wing elites are equally petty, just can’t think of an example, or they’re more discreet.]
I was about to ask who is taking bribes to circumvent the Iran sanctions, but that’s partly answered here:
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/cnbc-execs-children-murdered-1-day.html
“… expand its lawsuit to include racketeering, money laundering and intentional violations of the Iranian Nations Sanctions and Embargo Act by the national banks …”
“Since this information was surprisingly revealed by the mainstream news organization there has been a very suspicious and deadly fallout at the CNBC headquarters.”
“Within hours the original page for the article was taken down, and CNBC senior vice president Kevin Krim received news that his children were killed under very suspicious circumstances.”
“It seems that the murder happened first and then the page was removed later. According to mainstream accounts the children’s nanny is responsible for the murders, allegedly stabbing both children.”
I hope the nanny did not have red hair or a red wig.
Katie
If saddam had a second (secret) wife and if she was pregnant then she could not give birth to his son in iraq. Sajida and her family would have killed him if they knew that he had children with that al hilli sister who apparently must have been a few years younger than sajida who was born in 1937.
The following is the script for my next hollywood film and lacks any proof:
Saddam has problems his second wife from the al hilli family is pregnant. The family insists that he marries her and that he cares for the children.if that would have become public at that times it would have been the end of saddams just beginning political career. Friends would have left him.
So there is an agreement. Saddam funds the exodus of the complete al hilli family in 1971 and his second wife gives birth to his son in 1971. Then she returns occasionally to iraq while she and her children are cared for in the uk. Saddam funds the whole family for keeping this secret.
She later gives birth to two more children in 1973 and 1974 in surrey.
My fictional movie would show their life.
Again: that last paragraphs are pure fiction and a script for a movie. However, that would be possible as long as we dont know more about that al hilli woman who gave birth to 3 hussain children in northern surrey(exactly where the al hillis lived at that time).
I am keen to know more about this woman only known as “al hilli” in surrey birth registration.
Oh yes. I forgot the end of my fictional movie script. After saddams death the funding for the family stops. The family is keen that the funds continue to flow and begin to blackmail somebody in iraq with their knowledge ….
Of course this is just fiction but would be an exciting one. I believe that the media or the family should solve that riddle of the 3 hussain children with gheir al hilli mother from northern surrey in 1971-1073. Otherwise in the future fictions and conspiracies will even become more narrative than my own fiction.
@ Felix 29 Oct, 2012 – 12:49 am
“@NR I have just transcribed BM’s recordings. I kept laughing as I did it, so unrealistic was it all. Afraid I can’t believe a word of it, and I have tried. It really is devoid of realistic content, padded out with basically nothing. That he has vanished says it all for me. Nobody else has.”
@ Ferret 29 Oct, 2012 – 6:08 am
“LOL. Would be interesting to see the transcription… I find his account totally and utterly unbelievable from start to finish.”
At first, I thought the same, it’s a mess of lies, but now I think he did genuinely panic, do strange things, and can not admit it, for whatever reason, then lied about the timeline and he’s stuck with it. I put this on MZT –
” With or without training, persons who happen upon an accident or shooting or murder do not usually panic, unless they know one of the victims. People ordinarily assist, do CPR, stop bleeding, call for help, etc., in a mostly calm manner. BM knew one or all of SM, the SAHs, or even the killer. Perhaps he was much nearer the lay-by than he said, heard shots, stopped, said WTF?, then when he thought it might be safe continued up. For some reason he can’t reveal he knew somebody.”
Suppose he and the killer even recognize each other, but the killer need not worry as he knows BM can’t reveal his identity or his organization.
Felix, can you post the transcript or is it too long? I’ve never found one online.
I like it Bluebird, can I have the film rights ? 😉
Here are the names of other rumoured wives.
http://marriage.about.com/od/infamous/p/saddamhussein.htm
Third wife
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/nidal-al-hamdani/
Fourth wife
Wafa ei-mullah al-Howeish
@ Q OFF TOPIC From 2010, an interesting year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/11/kremlin-assassin-anna-chapman-traitor
“A contract killer has been dispatched to assassinate the Russian double agent who betrayed Anna Chapman and nine other spies in the United States this spring, according to reports in Moscow.”
“”We know who he is and where he is,” a high-ranking Kremlin source told the reputable Kommersant newspaper. “You can have no doubt – a Mercader has already been sent after him.””
“Ramón Mercader was the KGB-hired Spanish communist who was sent to kill Leon Trotsky with an icepick in Mexico in 1940.”
Troksky was killed with an ice-axe. But who’s to quibble; ice-axe, ice-pick, or a near empty Magic Marker that makes dull rectangular marks on a still-alive, masked body-double, and an ice-pick used on an unmasked very dead victim who barely bleeds.
Guess what? Anna Chapman has red hair or a red wig!
She’s a celebrity in Russia:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/31/anna-chapman-russia-tv-interview
RAPED !
Read this & be prepared to be filled with disgust on what happened top the missing billions of Bagdad, the ‘American regime’ should hang its head in shame for the fiasco they created:
“There was corruption everywhere,” said one former military officer who worked with the C.P.A. in Baghdad in the months after the invasion. Some of the Iraqis who were put in charge of ministries after Saddam’s fall had never run a government agency before. Their inexperience aside, he said, they lived in constant fear of losing their jobs or their lives. All many cared about, he added, was taking care of themselves. “You could see that a lot of them were trying their best to get a quick retirement fund before they were ousted or killed,” he added. “You just get what you can while you’re in that position of power. Instead of trying to build the nation, you build yourself.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/iraq_billions200710
£500,000 in an account giving just two per cent annual interest = £820,303 after 25 years.
Katie
The two other wives are as much speculation as it is our fifth wife.
However, it seems that he was a playboy.
The al hilli sister – given the fiction is correct – must have been one of his first two wives who gave birth to three of his children in surrey.
At least it is not unlikely due to your information that he had secret wives. We need to know more about this supposed and so far unknown al hilli woman from surrey who apparently is hashim and kadhim’s sister and who has born 3 hussain children in surrey from 1971 thru 1973.
It’s too simple. Red things; old-timey Communist colors from Putin. Anna Chapman’s red hair; Gareth Williams red hold-all and red wig; the red wig in Montreal; the red hair in Colorado – though that was more orange – a bad dye job?
To solve the murders at Chevaline we need to find red things, and the BMW doesn’t count, that was maroon. What were the colors of SM’s and BM’s bikes and their cycling gear?
Bluebired, there are two Hussain Al Hillis in people & Linkedin……I’m sure you know that, who are they ?
@Dopey
Swiss Bank Acct interest rates are currently eg 0.125% (UBS) or 0.01% (Credit Suisse)
http://switzerland.deposits.org/
£800k after 25 years would be £826k at 0.125%
£800k after 25 years would be £802k at 0.01%
Not sure what they’ve been historically, mind you…
@NR
Like your theory.
Does a red herring count?
😀
Yes katie i know that. But they are not related to those children with surname hussain. In that case of yours, hussain is just a forst name.
Here are all details of the children from that al hilli wonab:
Mohammed Hussain born december 1971
Mother: al hilli
Registration surrey north 5g 257
Mohammed also spelled as mohammad
Tarq (Tariq?) Hussain born March 1973
Mother: al hilli
Registration Surrey north 5g 613
Rezyya (Rezza?) Hussain born March 1974
Mother: al Hilli
Registration Surrey North
Felix
About that iraqi security firm in March Court, Putney.
What puzzles me is the matter of fact that both directors have Iranian names but have an address in Erbil, Iraq which to my knowledge is Kurds territory.
Then they have an office on presumably the same floor and the same house where the al Hillis lived for more than ten years. This now dissolved iranian/iraqi security and investigation company stinks fishy.
@bluebird, thanks. Core WordPress does have moderation trigger words, I’ve removed them all now. Couldn’t find “realestate” in there, but there were quite a lot of spammy phrases, so you may have accidentally triggered something else. I’ll see if the Captcha device can do the anti-bot business on its own 🙂
@Bluebird
Did you pick up my link this morning between RAL, AWE, and NIF?
They means the UK and the USA are working together on nuclear fusion using lasers. (And god knows what else besides.)
And we know SAH used to work at RAL, and he knew about lasers, and had a serious amount of processing power in his “shed” to do simulations.
I’ve definitely been working on the Lasers/X-Rays/Hafnium angle as the front runner but couldn’t fusion be another possible alternative?
Like you say, what happens to people who leak confidential research in these areas…
Q?
Bluebird like you I have spent hours now searching for that al Hilli mother. I have found nothing.
Just the Rezyya & these whom I sure you have posted on before:
http://www.192.com/atoz/people/al-hilli/ali/w5/2759544588/
Must get my day started, good hunting, back later.
@ Ferret
It’s hard work finding historical interest rates data for Swiss banks. Pre 2000 I’ve found it impossible.
I have however found info for the years 2000-2010. The average Swiss bank interest rate for that decade was 1.52%.
(2000-2012 drops to 1.32%)
Anyway I’m bored with it now lol. Its too hard to find historical data.
Bluebird seems to have done a really good job in tracking the al-Hillis down to March Court, Putney in the early 1970s. Only problem is that they arrived from Iraq in 1979, having fallen out with Saddam.
And the proposal that they in any way should have had relations with the Iraqie dictator, Saddam husseinb is just sheer nuts.
@Dopey
OK, no worries… were those interest rates for GBP or CHF?
sorensen.
The al Hilli families arrived in 1970/71 in the UK. Don’t know where you got the BS with 1979 from. There are documents that are proof that where Hashim and Kadhim al Hilli lived in London from 1971 and there are their Putney telephone numbers in the UK phone book including their address. Balsham al Hilli got her first child when she was registered at the Putney address in 1982. She married George Xanthis when she was registered at that Putney address. That Putney address of her father Hashim exists since 1971 in the British phone book. Had he been a ghost in this house from 1971 – 1979?
Of course the whole family came to London in 1970/1971.
And of course there must have been another woman with the name al Hilli (presumably a sister of Hashim and Kadhim) who came with them in 1971 since she gave birth to a son called Mohammed Hussain in North Surrey in December 1971. There are British registered documents you can’t deny. What I always said is that there are thousands of guys called “Hussain” as their surnames in London and in Iraq. That she is a secret wife of Saddam is pure speculation. But there is no speculation that she gave birth to three kids called Hussain and that she lived in Northern Surrey (presumably Putney) and that her name was al Hilli and that she is the mother of these sons.
Why do you deny proven facts? Whatelse should we present you other than documents from the British birth registry and scans of the British telephone book?