Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • bluebird

    Katie

    yes, I know that Ali Al Hilli branch and I already called Hussain Al Hilli (his son) as some kind of “James Bond”. That was approx. 3 weeks ago.
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hussain-al-hilli/43/a43/ba1

    However, in that case, Hussain is his first name. The three kids of that unknown al Hilli woman who were born in 1971-1974 in Northern Surrey are having al Hilli as their mother and Hussain as their surname (father’s chosen surname).

    However, it is useless to search for a Mohammad Hussain nor is it useful to search for a Tarq (Tariq) Hussain as you would infd thousands, at least 100 with links to the UK. We know his Month and year of birth, but I see no way to use that data on linkedin to get rid of all the rest of the incorrect Hussains.

  • bluebird

    ferret

    yes, I read those links. I was aware of some information regarding the Hafnium energy and xray lasers to trigger that process. I was aware that British Labs are working with American labs and I am aware that there is no information because all that work in that research is classified information. We know nothing excapt some leaked information that apparently they had a breakthrough with that Hafnium energy for drones. On Saturday I posted a link regarding the USA Airforce Research Labaratory having a European outlet near London, less than 1 hour from Claygate, where they apparently invite European scientist to do work for them in those classified fields of research. The US airforce research lab is the one who does all the classified research regarding Hafnium energy. Of course They are working with other labs as my links that I posted did approve.

  • kathy

    @Mochyn69
    29 Oct, 2012 – 7:27 am

    Good post. I don’t know why everyone is so fixated on the Iraqi and inheritance connection whilst ignoring Mollier’s connection with this sinister organization. Isn’t that precisely what the investigators want us to do? No wonder the family are complaining about being treated like suspects.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Kathy, you just wrote o-g-a-n-i-s-a-t-i-o-n with a -z !! This has NO place on aBritish forum. It looks so awful!! How could you Kathy!. Remember next time to spell it properly.

    I’m just reading the diaries of the very intelligent (you’d expect that the British head of counter intelligence had these qualities, wouldn’t you?) and sensible Guy Liddell</em, released last Friday, and it is a pleasure to see that he as a mattter of course spell words like these with the proper -s.

  • Tim V

    at Straw44berry
    28 Oct, 2012 – 11:16 pm stray bullets? I wonder if there are any in the woods? Metal detectorists anyone?

  • bluebird

    More interesting stuff about the Al Hilli Family

    Hashim and his wife and his children already immigrated to the UK in 1958, coming from South Africa. I have the immigration data. Hasim then lived in Knightsbridge, London for more than 10 years until 1971 when he moved to Putney with his family and kids. He came with wife and his little son Ali and his little babydaughter Balsham to London. Not in 1971 but in 1958 !! Has he been working at the embassy? What exactly is in 22 Queens Gate, Knightsbridge, London. No emmigration because of falling out with Saddam in the early 1970tees. Perhaps Kadhim but certainly NOt his brother Hashim!

    here are the immigration data:

    Hashim Hilli, Birth: 20 Feb 1918, Departure: Durban, South Africa
    Arrival: 17 Oct 1958 – Southampton, England

    Maqboula Hilli Birth: 11 Apr 1929 (wife) Departure: Durban, South Africa
    Arrival: 17 Oct 1958 – Southampton, England

    Name: Balsam Hilli Birth: 3 Jan 1953 (daughter) Departure: Durban, South Africa
    Arrival: 17 Oct 1958 – Southampton, England

    Name: Ali Hilli Birth: 4 Jan 1955 Departure: Durban, South Africa Arrival: 17 Oct 1958 – Southampton, England

    Hashim alreaday came earlier without his family to the UK and travelled once to the USA in 1955
    Name: Hashim AL Hilli Origin: Iraq Departure: Southampton, England
    Arrival: 20 Sep 1955 – New York, New York

    he travelled in 1949 and in 1954 to New York, departing from UK, too:
    Name: Hashim AL Hilli Origin: Iraq Departure: Southampton, England
    Arrival: 19 Sep 1949 – New York, New York

    Name: Hashim Hilli Origin: Iraq Departure: Southampton, England
    Arrival: 21 Sep 1954 – New York, New York

    He also travelled back from USA in 1947 and 1953
    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 17 Dec 1947 – Southampton, England

    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 9 Dec 1953 – Plymouth, England

    There is also an interesting travelling from Cameroon for Hashim al Hilli.
    I bet that he was a diplomat or that he worked for the United Nations representing Iraq.

    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: Tiko, Cameroon
    Arrival: 3 Dec 1954 – Liverpool, England

    There are more arrivals of Hshim to the UK before he immigrated to the UK with his family in 1958.

    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: 20 Feb 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 21 Dec 1955 – Southampton, England

    Name: Mashin Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 29 May 1947 – Southampton, England

    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 13 Feb 1951 – Southampton, England

    Name: Hashim Hilli Birth: abt 1918 Departure: New York, New York, United States
    Arrival: 12 Jan 1953 – Southampton, England

    Who is going to check that Knightsbridge address? This might be a key. Embassy?

  • bluebird

    http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k028/e2k28article.html

    I got it! Yes, I got it! HURRAHHHHHH ! We are three steps further now!

    No applause needed but I am VERY proud that I lifetd a big part of the al Hilli family riddle.

    I have the history of Kadhim’s brother Hashim. He worked for the Iraqi embassy in UK at least since 1958. Perhaps he was even ambassador there. He lived with his family in the embassy buidling from 1958 thru 1971 when he moved to Putney.

  • Ferret

    Re “-ise” vs “-ize”.

    Oxford spelling

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Oxford spelling (or Oxford English Dictionary spelling) is the spelling used by Oxford University Press (OUP), including in its Oxford English Dictionary (OED), and other publishers who are “etymology conscious,” according to Merriam-Webster.[1] Apart from OUP, British dictionary publishers that use it include Cassell, Collins and Longman.[2] In digital documents it may be indicated by the language tag en-GB-oed.

    Oxford spelling can be recognized by its use of the suffix ‑ize instead of -ise: organization, privatize and recognizable instead of organisation, privatise and recognisable. The spelling affects about 200 verbs, and is favoured on etymological grounds, in that -ize corresponds more closely to the Greek root, -izo, of most -ize verbs.[3] The suffix -ize has been in use in the UK since the 16th century, and continues to be the spelling used in American English. Since the 1990s, -ise has become more common in the UK, with the result that -ize may be regarded incorrectly as an exclusively American variant.[4] The OED lists the -ise form of words separately, as “a frequent spelling of -IZE…”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling

  • bluebird

    So now we know 100% what Kadhim’s brother Hashim was doing in London and that he was in London including his family since 1958, living in the Iraqi embassy.

    Now we’ll have to find out when exactly Kadhim came to London and for waht purpose and what he was doing there. His brother working at the embassy as a diplomat or as an Iraqi intelligence officer. However, Kadhim is just the chicken king when he came to the UK? I strongly doubt so!

  • Tim V

    I have always thought so too Felix
    29 Oct, 2012 – 12:49 am as my many posts have indicated. There may be truthful elements but the trouble is it is impossible to know what they are. Did you notice how both BBC and Sky interviews start with an almost identical script and it is only the Sky interviewer’s questions that take it “off piste”. He did us a service as it helps to fill in the account. And is it a co-incidence that WBM, PD and EM all use a Hollywood metaphor to describe the scene. Sounds very spookily-sexed-up to me.

  • bluebird

    Something about Iraqi history:

    14 July Revolution
    On 14 July 1958, a group that identified as the “Free Officers”, a secret military group led by General Abd al-Karim Qasim, overthrew the monarchy. This group was markedly Pan-Arab in character. King Faisal II, the Regent and Crown Prince Abd al-Ilah, and Nuri al-Said were all killed.

    In October 1958, Hashim al Hilli came to London with all his family and worked for the Iraqi embassy at Knightsbridge. One of the first Iraqi diplomats or intelligence officier in the UK in Iraqi history. That is quite something! And our media didn’t know this? Holy sh***TTTT!

  • bluebird

    And one more thing. Why was Hashim al Hilli always travelling between UK and New York in those Iraqi pre-revolution times?
    Instructed and trained by CIA as to how to make a revolution in Iraq?
    I don’t know, but now that is a MOST likely scenario.

  • Felix

    @NR
    will put them both up on Icke when I get some time. It was a very interesting exercise. All in Longhand at the minute. It is all quite unbelievable, but perhaps with the odd grain of veracity.

  • Felix

    @TimV @NR
    The interviewer so obvously takes BM over the jumps with prompts and leading questions. It is not an interview. It is complicity in the cover-up of whatever happened.

  • Mochyn69

    Brilliant sleuthing BB. Take my hat off to you, if I had one!

    Maybe the MSM didn’t know it but you can be sure as eggs is eggs that UK SIS knew of it.

    Hence BM’s utter panic when he totally fucked up his mission on that sad sunny afternoon in the French Alps.

    SAH was a British asset and someone offed him.

    Katie, I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that it was not the Mossad, given all the known knowns that we assume we know.

  • Felix

    @Bluebird
    A Rezzya Hussain exists on FB in the UK.
    @NR The big problem for BM is that he is lumbered with being an RAF man alone on holiday in the school holidays without his family just passing…. when you consider a car park at the end of a blocked off road for through traffic, and what he says, one has to laugh. It’s a pathetic script. What was he really doing there? We won’t be told. What was anybody involved doing there? we won’t be told.

  • Tim V

    @ Straw44berry
    28 Oct, 2012 – 10:13 pm there was the glass left on the ground when the press visited on the 7th. It was about 15 yards away from the car the reporter says. Apart from the really strange fact that the french police hadn’t picked it or other significant remnants of the attack including bullet casings !!!!!!!!!! we do not know whether this was from the BMW or another unrelated car. Of course if it was from the BMW it suggests that the attack started some distance from the car’s final resting place explained only by a significant reverse manoeuvre. Then there is the blood staining on the ground a few feet on the near side of the car which has been linked with Zainab’s location but is better explained by Mollier (bigger worse injury). WBM admits to moving his body but not from there.

  • bluebird

    To fulfil the data collection:
    Saad’s mother Fasiha al Hilli was born 12 Aug 1932 and she died April 2003 in Kingston upon Thames.

    Zaid al Hilli married O’Reilly in October 1992 in Fulham.
    Saad married in August 2003 Iqbal al Saffar in Northern Surrey.

    Regarding Hashim. I found an address of him in New York in 1959 where he obviously stayed the few months when he lived in New York:

    14E79 Yukon 8-0102, Manhattan, New York

    Does that address have todo anything with embassies or CIA? Note: 1959!!!

  • Tim V

    @ Felix
    29 Oct, 2012 – 4:24 am this line about the car “getting stuck on the verge” I don’t buy. I think it’s inaccurate and I wonder why the description is being used. I have no doubt that if a forward gear had been engage on such a hard and level surface, it would have moved. Although the bank stopped it going back, it didn’t stop it going forward. The reason it remained there was that the back wheels were spinning in reverse. When the engine was turned off it remained in gear which stopped it going anywhere. It appears Al Hilli was alive when it started reversing but dead by the time it hit the bank with leg and foot (possibly in spasm) still depressing the accelerator. Not sure the description is significant other than being inaccurate, but why at this stage would they be putting out inaccurate descriptions?

  • bluebird

    I got it

    14 East 79, Manhatten is the Iraqi embassy at the United Nations in New York. Opposite to Central Park. Expensive area. There Hashim al Hilli lived in 1959 when he was in new York.

  • bluebird

    http://embassy-finder.com/iraq_in_usa

    Link for the Iraqi embassy at the United Nations in New York. Must be there since 1959 because Hashim al Hilli lived there when he visited New York.

    That means of course, we have no ordinary Iraqi family. Do we? How often did he meet CIA representatives in New York?

  • Thomas

    From 2005:

    “Balsam Hashim al-Hilli has returned to Baghdad after 35 years in exile to run in the country’s first democratic elections.

    “Even though I’ve lived for 35 years abroad, to be honest, even when I dreamed, I always dreamed of the house I was born in.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/25/iraqi.women/

    Is this the doughter of Hashim? Then she moved from Baghdad around 1970

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