The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q: They did NEVER live in Pimlico. Please read my messages. I said this before twice. Saad went to school in Pimlico and there is public transportation from Putney to Pimlico. There is a bus every 5-10 minutes on schedule and it takes 25-30 minutes by public bus from Putney to the Pimlico school. The children did attend school in Pinlico but they lived in Putney (March Court). The Hashim family in Putney (Roehampton Court).
@Trow – you won’t believe me, but I get the feeling there is an internal family element in the Mockford case. Stories don’t quite stack up for me. Can’t explain the news blackout though.
And it seems very likely that a lot of things were “rotten” in the kings court [Many ordinary folks would testify to that], as probably were the case in the court of the British king.
thomas.
Hashim isn’t alive. He was born in 1918.
I am not 100% sure but I believe having read one entry in ancestry.com when there was mentioned that Hashim had died in 1983. But it was definitely in the 1980tees when he had died. However, we don’t know whether or not he died naturally or being killed or else perhaps during the Iran-Iraq war as a negotiator. Just speculation. However, I am quite sure about the 1983.
thomas
i would really love to know more about those now grown up Hussain kids and I would really like to know about who their al-Hilli mother really was. If I would live in London then I would have already been driving to the Surrey birth registry to find out more details.
But then, she had 3 kids. That would mean that she – whoever she was – must have travelled back to Iraq after giving birth and sufficently long nursing to the baby, for having more sex in Iraq – since she was pregnant two more times, in fact she was almost continuously pregnant.
Stunning work Bluebird & Paddy !
Found this on Yasni which led me to a Safaa Al Hilli, did we have him BB ?
Re: Kadhim Al Hilli
lives/works in: Esher Surrey United Arab Emirates
works as/at: Cambridge University Press
fits with: Al-Hilli UK address Fasiha Mohammed Ahlul Bayt Click here to Deena Education
Electrode acts French Alps Full Address Latest Mail Online Megalithic Portal Middle East
About the author….with photo.
ZnO nanorods
Safaa Al-Hilli, is assistant professor in the Physical Electronics Group at the Department of Science and Technology, Linköping University, Norrköping, Sweden. He is currently building intracellular ions selective multiplexer and nanofluidic pump for bionanotechnology applications. Prof. Magnus Willander is the head of the Physical Electronics group at the Department of Science and Technology, Linköping University, Norrköping, Sweden.
http://www.yasni.co.uk/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnanotechweb.org%2Fcws%2Farticle%2Flab%2F39238&name=Kadhim+al+Hilli&cat=filter&showads=1
Sorry if you know all this ,but leave no stone unturned to be sure . 😉
Sorry, should of course have said the English King, because the concept of “British” did not exist at that time. (It came at the beginning of the 18th century)
Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 1:34 pm – A significant find. I think a “Well done clever bird” is in order. As far as I know you have done what the labyrinthine news industry has failed in doing – establishing a clear link between Saddam Hussein’s inner circle and the Al Hilli’s. Now the question what position did Kadim’s brother hold in the Embassy and why appoint a Shiite when he was Sunni etc.? What happened to him after the Iran/Iraq war ended and through the upheavals of the 90’s? Did the Al Hilli’s remain on side or play for one or other of opposing teams. It is noticeable that SAH got his British citizenship only months before the second invasion. Was he working for British intelligence but not wholly trusted hence being followed in 2003?
@BB
Could Kadhim have had such documents in his remains when he died?
If so, and if those documents are so important:
why was Kadhim not attacked, but his son Saad was?
is it possible that Kadhim’s possession of those documents became only known after Kadhim’s death?
does this possibly shed some light on the unusual security measures in Saad’s home?
where else could those documents have been hidden – in a bank safe?
Just some thoughts …
@BB: Thank you. That was my understanding, and yes I read your posts. Some misinformation is subtle: went to school in Pimlico, but did not live in Pimlico, because we don’t want you to look at where they really did live.
@Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 4:32 pm
The death of Hashim 1983 might correspond in one way or another to the deposit of £800k made by Khadim 1984.
@ Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 1:46 pm I hope the DM give you credit for their “exclusive Scoop” or I shall have to write them a VERY STIFF letter. lol Well done again. Indeed THRICE well done.
Tim V.
According to our press releases, while Hashim al Hilli did the same for the Arab nations what Henry Kissinger had done for the USA, his brother was just a chicken farmer. Did Henry Kissinger have a brother who was just a chicken farmer?
Q: Correct. I would see it that way, too.
Paddy:
Yes, that’s exactly my first guess, too. But just my guess. No proof about any hidden documents. Deposit box in Geneve bank? Blackmailing? I don’t know.
Very interesting American customs immigration card found at ancestry.com proving the link of paddy.
There was a UNO delegation arriving New York on 19th September 1950. All of those people were EXEMPT immigrants, of course. I give you the list of names. Perhaps some experts amongst you can handle those names (they did travel as a group and were immigrated as a group on a seperate form by USA customs representatives):
1. Liang Yuenli, UN Headquarters (47) (China), Lake Success
2. Robinson William Field (60) (Britain), UK Delegation to UN, 61st Floor Empire State Bldg, NY
3. Gonzales Fernando Alberto (47) (Colombia), United Nations, Lake Success
4. Mahmoud Saleh (36) (Egypt) United Nations, Lake Success
5. Amby Kristen, (56) (Denmark) United Nations, Lake Success
6. Zaroubin Goorgi . (56) United Nations, Lake Success
7. Hashim al Hilli (32) (Iraq) United Nations, Lake Success
8. Crook Reginald D. (49) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
9. Ogmore David Rees (46) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
10. Jebb Cynthia N. (51) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
11. Jebb Stella (16) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
12. Jamali Mohamed F. (47) (Iraq) Royal Iraqi Consulate N.Y.C.
Paddy, yes I believe the papers were locked away with Kadhim’s will , only to surface after his death….
There must be some interesting reading contained in them.
BB.
I found A Al Hilli & Mx X are both members of Al Quds charity for Palestinian Medical school registered in London.
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends35%5C0001063835_ac_20081231_e_c.pdf
Tim wrote:
There were only one “invasion”, namely the second Gulf war in March 2003. In the first Gulf War 1990/91 Iraq was not “invaded”,- thats what the neo-cons wanted at that time, but if the US had done it, they would have got stucked and bocked down for several years, just like happened after 2003.
Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 2:20 pm “Zaid al Hilli married O’Reilly in October 1992 in Fulham.
Saad married in August 2003 Iqbal al Saffar in Northern Surrey.”
I suppose it’s wholly fanciful to suggest any Irish (IRA?) connection here? O’Reilly is a good Irish name. “Joe O’Reilly, IRA bodyguard of Michael Collins (Irish leader)”
The Lybia Connection well established to late 80’s: (Wikipedia: Despite the Eksund fiasco in 1987, the IRA was by then equipped with a quantity and quality of weaponry and explosives never available to them at any other phase of their history.[23] Furthermore, according to Brendan O’Brien there was actually an ‘over-supply’, specially regarding the 600 AK-47s still in the hands of the IRA by 1992)
And then as recently as 2006 Iraqi insurgents using essentially IRA bomb technology: The Independent. Revealed: IRA bombs killed eight British soldiers in Iraq
Terror devices used by the IRA in a vicious murder campaign in Ulster blew up British servicemen as the world blamed Iran
BY GREG HARKIN , FRANCIS ELLIOTT AND RAYMOND WHITAKER SUNDAY 16 OCTOBER 2005
“The soldiers, who were targeted by insurgents as they travelled through the country, died after being attacked with bombs triggered by infra-red beams. The bombs were developed by the IRA using technology passed on by the security services in a botched “sting” operation more than a decade ago.” @ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/revealed-ira-bombs-killed-eight-british-soldiers-in-iraq-8062265.html
I hope I don’t bother you, but there is another EXEMPT passenger list of a UN delegation arriving in NY on Sept 15th 1955 as a group. Interesting names who did accompany each other. It looks as if the Britains and the Iraqis were jolly good friends. I hope I am typing correct because that copy-scan is pretty hard to read:
1. Hashim al Hilli, (Iraq), Iraq Delegation to the United Nations, New York
2. Balfour John, (Britain), UK Permanent Delegation to the United Nations, New York.
3. Damluji Faisal (Iraq), Iraq Delegation to the United Nations, New York
4. Goodacre Edward B. (Britain), United Nations Headquarters, NY
5. Mahdi Abbas (Iraq), Iraq Delegation to the United Nations, New York
6. Mahmoud Nouriddin (Iraq), Iraq Delegation to the United Nations, New York
7. Malik Yakov (USSR), United Nations Organisations, NY
8. Malik Valentina (USSR), United Nations Organisations, NY
9. Owen Arthur D.K. (Britain), 31 East 72nd Street, New York
10. Owen Elisabeth (Britain), 31 East 72nd Street, New York
11. Owen Michael D. (Britain), 31 East 72nd Street, New York
12. Owen Hugh M. (Britain), 31 East 72nd Street, New York
13. Baruffi Emma (Italy), 31 East 72nd Street, New York
14. Raouf Rashid (Iraq), Iraq Delegation to the United Nations, New York
15. Randall Alec W.G. (Britain), UK Delegation to the United Nations, NY
16. Richmond John C. (Britain), UK Delegation to the United Nations, NY
17. Wallat Francis A. (Britain), UK Delegation to the United Nations, NY
18. Vosigma Stanislav (Czechoslovakia), Permanent Delegation to United Nations, NY
@Paddy
29 Oct, 2012 – 2:36 pm
@Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 2:48 pm
Now hold on just one minute BB, Paddy!
You say Hashim lived with his family in the Iraqi embassy from 1958 until 1971 when he moved to Putney.
However during that period the regime in Iraq changed three times.
The Hashemite monarchy was overthrown on 14th July 1958 and the new government proclaimed a republic. Your Brigadier Abd al-Karīm Qāsim led the republic until he was assassinated in February 1963, when the Ba’ath Party took power under the leadership of General Ahmed Hasan al-Bakr (prime minister) and Colonel Abdul Salam Arif (president).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iraq
He must have been a pretty skillful official of the Foreign Ministry to have survived so long in post and to have served under three bitterly opposing regimes!
If Paddy’s Hashim is the same man as yours, and he could well be, he was definitely ancien regime.
Tim V.
Yes, exactly. Everything is getting so much clearer now. We got most of the dust from the windows. I bet that you’re right with your IRA connection, but we can’t prove that. This is pure speculation. However, we are in the middle of public international affairs, espionage and intelligence now. I hope that this blog won’t get closed. Since the dust is off, we’re getting far advanced to all what media had released today. I bet that we are knowing more about the backkground of this family than the French police does know.
It was already logic with WBM; that there is intelligence involved. We knew it right after the D notice. But now we know why. Do we believe whether Hashim was the only Arab top diplomat in foreign affairs and do we believe that Kadhim was just into chicken and poultries? NOPE!
@Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 5:26 pm
Again, WOW! Your man is right up there with the big names.
I just posted a while back the Baghdad Jewish community under the Republic of Iraq was very pro-British.
mochyn.
Nothing surprising. Read wikipedia about the 1958 revolution. The revolution came from isnide Iraq, namely from groups, generals and officers who wanted to get rid of the king. At first you works for the regime and then he is part of those who rise up (successfully). That’s the logic. It is evident that he worked from 1947 – 1971 for the Iraqi embassy and for the Iraqi foreign ministry and for the Iraqi United Nations delegations as a top politician and/or intelligence officer. I don’t know what he did after 1971 because then he left the Iraqi embassy as his home address. Just notice the names of the delegations he was part of when travelling to NY. You’ll find all of those names listed in wikipedia.
One small item. The latest news is that the little girls are being kept in a safe location in Claygate, near their family home. So, Claygate has safe houses?
I see a reference to “the late Hashim Al-Hilli” as a director of the Industrial Bank of Iraq in the old days (المرحوم هاشم الحلي (مدير المصرف الصناعي)
http://www.aburaqa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3471&page=32
Here is mention of
Lawyer and businessman Kadhim Al-Hilli bin Abdul-Hussain Al-Khateeb Al-Hilli. كاظم الحلي, بن السيد عبد الحسين الخطيب الحلي
{http://www.alnoor.se/article.asp?id=149683}[Swedish site]
by Dr Haitham Al-Hilli Hussain whose fascinating biography is here:
{http://www.ahewar.org/m.asp?i=5255}
@Bluebird
29 Oct, 2012 – 5:37 pm
To say nothing of the delegates at the Bandung Conference.
This is huge, monumental.
So where does it leave the various theories about the al Hilli conundrum and the French police enquiry?
No wonder Sir Peter Forbes Ricketts, GCMG and the 20 military types from the British embassy came running.
Just to look at with whom Hashim al Hilli was jolly good friends:
Yakov Alexandrovich Malik (Russian: Яков Александрович Малик) (6 December [O.S. 23 November] 1906 – 11 February 1980) was a Soviet diplomat. Malik was the Soviet ambassador to the United Nations from 1948 to 1952, and from 1968 to 1972.
At the time of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 82 on 25 June 1950, Malik was boycotting the presence of a Nationalist Chinese representative. His absence enabled the resolution to pass unanimously with a 9-0 vote.
On the floor of the United Nations on 23 June 1951, he proposed an armistice in the Korean War between China and North Korea on one hand, and South Korea, the United States, and other United Nations forces on the other.
Malik told U.S. delegates to the United Nations, apparently without sarcasm, that he wished the United States would invite the Soviet Union to join NATO because he feared it was beginning to become an issue between the two powers.[citation needed]
Malik is also well known to give the USSR reasons for the occupation of Czechoslovakia at the Security Council in August 1968. He vetoed the 2 resolutions regarding the invasion (resolution requesting the liberation of the arrested Czechoslovak politicians and the removal of the communist armies from Czechoslovakia and the resolution requiring the selection of Special Envoy to Czechoslovakia).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauf_Rashid_Abd_al-Rahman
Rauf Rashid Abd al-Rahman (Arabic: رؤوف رشيد عبد الرحمن) was the replacement chief judge of the Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal’s Al-Dujail trial of Saddam Hussein in 2006.
Rahman is an ethnic Kurd from Halabja, the site of the 1988 Halabja poison gas attack.[1] He replaced Rizgar Mohammed Amin as chief judge [1] on 23 January 2006. Amin had resigned after being criticised in the Iraqi media for appearing “too soft” on the defendants by allowing them to speak aloud in court without being recognized.
After Amin’s resignation, Rahman headed the Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal during the rest of the trial of Saddam Hussein for genocide, and when it sentenced him to death.[1] He also sentenced to death some of his top aides.[1]
In December 2006, al-Rahman took his family to Britain on a travel visa, and three months later applied for asylum. He later cancelled his application
@Bluebird
Re 103 March Court,
{https://www.duedil.com/company/06925765/ic-finance-solution-ltd}
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/913875724
Inna Chayka.(hence the name of the company)
Connection with Erbil, Iraq and Ukraine
{http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/inna-chayka/30/17b/a10}
Co-director Kosovan from Putney
{http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/915534575}
@BB, your 1950 list
I cannot find the names in Wikipedia, maybe I’m just to stupid.
Anyway, out of your list:
1. Liang Yuenli, UN Headquarters (47) (China), Lake Success
2. Robinson William Field (60) (Britain), UK Delegation to UN, 61st Floor Empire State Bldg, NY
3. Gonzales Fernando Alberto (47) (Colombia), United Nations, Lake Success
4. Mahmoud Saleh (36) (Egypt) United Nations, Lake Success
5. Amby Kristen, (56) (Denmark) United Nations, Lake Success
6. Zaroubin Goorgi . (56) United Nations, Lake Success
7. Hashim al Hilli (32) (Iraq) United Nations, Lake Success
8. Crook Reginald D. (49) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
9. Ogmore David Rees (46) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
10. Jebb Cynthia N. (51) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
11. Jebb Stella (16) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
12. Jamali Mohamed F. (47) (Iraq) Royal Iraqi Consulate N.Y.C.
we already know
No. 7 – Hashim al Hilli
No. 12 – Jamal Mohammed F – author of
http://users.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/Fadhel.html
former prime Minister of Iraq
here are more:
No. 5 Amby Kristen, (56) (Denmark) United Nations, Lake Success
http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/AssemblyList/AL_MemberDetails.asp?MemberID=3
http://www.lexabc.dk/frontpage.aspx?id=32&type=87&dbid=116b2770-af96-4f4d-a89d-9060c3661a1a
No 6 – Zaroubin Goorgi . (56) United Nations, Lake Success
=> I think there is a spelling mistake – it should be “Georgi”, not “Goorgi”
Georgi Zaroubin was “Zaroubin, Georgi N., Soviet Ambassador to the United States until January 1958; thereafter Deputy Foreign Minister”
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v10p2/persons
a photo
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/images/item.htm?id=http://purl.dlib.indiana.edu/iudl/lcp/tubman/VAA7927-3791
No 9 – Ogmore David Rees (46) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
http://wikidi.com/view/david-rees-williams-1st-baron-ogmore
10. Jebb Cynthia N. (51) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
11. Jebb Stella (16) (Britain) United Nations, Lake Success
Cynthia Jebb, wife of British diplomat Gladwyn Jebb, and their daughter Stella (note age: 16!)
Gladwyn Jebb – WOW!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladwyn_Jebb
Cynthia Jebb
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-42623576.html
Something for our friend sorensen from danmark.
This was another jolly good friend of Hashim al Hilli:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristen_Amby
oh felix, I see. Great find!
al-Maliki law firm. “Vacational traning services in Iraq” – I like that! I could not expect any better vacation than in Iraq for my “training”.
The address is the same office as it was that dissolved security and investigation firm in Erbil. We had the same lot of companies in 55 Princes Gate. That was the Shia/British part. In March Court we have the Kurdish part. That girl looks dangerous. Ukrainian girls ARE all strong, violent and dangerous.
……..and in an earlier court case :
Mr X was tried alongside Saddam Hussein for his involvement in an assassination attempt on Abdul Karim Qasim, Prime Minister of Iraq in 1950. After a failed attack with machine guns, fled on horseback in Syria to Saddam Hussein is one element of the mythology of the dictator.
In the 1980s, a film state of Iraq The long days recounted this episode. The bullet riddled car is on display in a palace of Saddam Hussein.
http://thishousewillexist.org/ibtisamauchi.php