The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
only reference to the farm on the whole web:
http://www.aansoek.com/Engineering/jobs_Multi_Disciplined_Site_Supervisor_Chertsey_United_Kingdom.asp
Interesting job…”Facilities Management” Isn’t that what the cleaners were?
Multi Disciplined Site Supervisor
Longcross Estate, Lilypond Farm, Chertsey, Surrey, KT16 0DT
£28k per annum + BUPA + Pension
Client??.
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A fantastic opportunity has arisen for an experienced Multi Disciplined Site Supervisor to work on behalf of one of their prestigious clients in Surrey.
re: RAF man, superhero, ‘nurrrrves of steel’.
Did he apply the handbrake?
@Kathy
30 Oct, 2012 – 1:42 am
Good question.
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Felix, you could perhaps mark the interviewers questions up in a different font/colour? It’s all about getting the maximum number of people reading it. As it is it just seems like a massive chunk of text – people need to be gently lured into reding it.
I could have a go at it, simply copying your text (and crediting you for it) and spice it up a bit with colours, interlaced with pictures of Martin.
Other qualities untold, one of the more peculiar of Bluebirds rumblings yesterday was his insistence that Franklin Delano Roosewelt, who already were rather weak at the Teheran Conference in 1943, and who died 12th of April 1945, should have any post war influence in the affairs of the Iraqie Kingdom – which was very much a British sphere of influence anyway.
I think Bluebird must be very young – just like The United states was very young and green after The Second World War, whcih had thrust it into the worlds scene as the dominant world power. There was a lot of things to learn, and many things they inevitably got horribly wrong, like the setting up of Israel in 1948 – one of the greatest strategic mistakes of the 20th century. Britain — the Motherland of Common sense –with its long experience of course was wary, and regarded the 100 million + Arabs with their oil, as more important than a few million Jews. And indeed — as if evidence was needed to prove the British point — the oilcrisis of 1973-74 really made brought that point home to even the dumbest.
Seems like time to update my theories:
1. William Hershkovitz was selected by the Mossad to lead the assassination, thanks to the Jewish Agency For Israel finding him in the States, and getting him to apply to join its Oranim program. William had just the right motivation and skills from the start to do what the Mossad said it had in mind.
2. The operation called for Hershkovitz for arrive at the scene when the alleged spies met at the isolated spot near Lake Annecy, Tamir Pardo’s Mossad being sure that Sylvain Mollier and Saad al-Hilli were involved in some kind of spying, apparently for Tehran, thanks to the prodding of his wife and mother-in-law.
3. Hershkovitz was to incapacitate all of them as quickly as possible so as to gain whatever information they had, and how it was being exchanged, thanks particularly to the passage of money. It being assumed that Saad was getting secret payments from either the Sunni followers of Saddam for previous services rendered or from Shia followers of the mullahs for detailed information about SSTL’s laser satellites, so that Iran could make its own whatever the sanctions it is under.
4. Hershkovitz quickly stopped Mollier, and then proceeded to kill the others, but in the process an associate, apparently the driver of the dark 4 X 4 Pejaro, found neither vast sums nor secret documents, leading to the stopping of the killing, just finishing off Mollier as it left the scene.
5. Brett Martin arrived on the site as the killers were leaving, and confirmed the finding, and then rushed back down the hill to inform others that the mission was a complete fiasco, and just make confusing stories about what had happened when and why.
6. Once Hershkovitz and the driver were back in Israel, his boss, Armando al-Abed, started asking probing questions, and making allusions about the mission which could only come from one who had been informed about it, and was setting up Hershkovitz as the lone, loony psychopath who had done it all.
7. This resulted in the growing hostile confrontation which resulted in Hershkovitz going berserk at the chef’s expense, and the Mossad seeing to his convenient murder.
8. Then the Mossad saw to the convenient murder of Exxon-Mobil’s Nicholas Mockford – what would have taken place shortly after the one in France if he had been involved in any way in what Mollier and al-Hilli were allegedly doing, not after Hershkovitz’s. It just made setting him as the scapegoat for the whole fiasco that much easier since it could be treated as something much hush-hush too, like the fiasco itself.
9. The JAIF’s sayanim in France then started putting together the claims about a domestic, mirror-image replica of Hershkovitz having done it – what the French investigators have swallowed with relish. Jacob Cohen’s book, Sayanim in Spring, has been claiming that it was just the kind of thing that the JAFI has been doing now for the Mossad.
10. The only question now is: Will the British and Swedish investigators swallowed it too or will they finally do something serious about Mossad murders of their leaders and officials with impunity.
Morning Bluebird, he could have done it with his zimmer frame. LoL 😉
I did write ‘he’d be ancient though’ & deleted it knowing you’d see that . 😉
However,many of these families give their name to their sons, so it was a long shot. I thought it interesting reading,if only we could find a document like that about his secret children !
Kathy.
You ask where does Mollier fit in to this, I still think he’s an insider , could he be on sick leave due to stress, or on assignment………is it even true he’s on three years parental leave, that info was in the public domain immediately when so little else was being given ?
His wife ‘knew’ he was doing something other than going for a cycle ride ?
I just wish something positive would turn up.
A 37 year old intern who new the inexperienced vicepresident from his home state, was key to US endorsement of Israel — overriding the wishes of General of the Armies George C. Marshall, the World War II chief of staff
[my emphasis]
Truman Adviser Recalls May 14,1948 US Decision to Recognize Israel
By Richard H. Curtiss
I found an article and i believe that mochyn will like it.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/10/07/126581/security-of-iraqs-tiny-jewish.html
Last night i was investigating all i could find about saddam’s youth. I have no proof at all other than my logic, but i strongly believe that except for the names of the people regarding his childhood (which are of course true and registered), everything else is made up and fske. I am with mochyn on this theory and i strongly believe that saddam hussein was a jew and his father as well as his mother were jews. That is the reason why a jewish family took care of his mother when she tried to commit suicide.
I strongly believe that Hassan Ibrahim is the guy who went to the Usa in 1938 together with Hashim al Hilli for apparently getting CIA training for the 1941-1945 Iraq war to get rid of the pro German Nazi Iraqi government. Al Hilli and Hassan Ibrahim went to Iraq in 1941 together with high ranked American army members and CIA agents, amongst them a member of the Roosevelt family.
Back home, ibrahim married Subha whom he met at the jewish family in where she was living.
In 1927, 10 out of 19 iraqi parliament members were Jews. Iraqi Jews had control over all banks, most factpries and most trading companies. Only in 1934 and later, jews were supressed, particularly during WW2.
This changed positively when the German Nazis who had joined with Arab Nationalists were beaten by the allies. From 1945-1947 Jews regained their power in Iraq in politics and economy. It deterirted in 1948 when the UNO decided to create Israel on Arab territory. From then the Jews in Iraq who controlled economy and iraqi politics at that time were in trouble but could still live when assimilated. Only in 1967 most Jews had to flee Iraq because of the Israel war with Arab Nations. In 1967 jews were removed from political power and their property was seized. Most jews left iraq between 1968 and 1970.
Only those jews who did falsificate their origin could stay and pretend to be arabs.
This is just an opinion and i agree with mochyn that he is probably on the right track. I certainly know for sure that the history of saddams parents and youth is fake. He grew up in a rich jewish family with top notch political and economic influence.
Sorensen
Sometimes – with all respect – you are behaving as dumb as dumb could be.
We were never talking about president roosevelt but about the roosevelt family. Of course the old and deseased president could not serve in WW2 in iraq.
I was referring about a great link posted by dopey.this is not the president but a family member. I am sorry that you dont read links. However, without knowing what we are talking about you shoul better hide such dull comments. It is boring.
http://erbil.usconsulate.gov/roosevelthouse.html
There is one thing striking from the Martin transcript. BM says in the interview:
“As I got a little bit closer, a very young child stumbled out onto the road and at first I thought she was just actually playing with her sibling, for she sort of looked from a distance like she was sort of falling over, larking about, like a child would.”
… playing with her SIBLING…
Really, how did he know she had a sibling? If you see an unknown child in the distance you think she is playing with some other children, generally speaking, because you wouldn’t know if she has siblings or not.
Two links to support my theory that backs up mochyn’s.
http://www.wnd.com/2003/03/17569/
http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=152
Softcat
BM did cover up that family at least since that time when he got the house in annecy. I believe that some here on this blog did collect sufficient evidence regarding silver fern an BM for making the theory a most likely one. In my opinion B M was responsible to notice and cover everything what saad and family had done during the past years. Then of course he knew that there are 2 sisters. I believe that BM knew more about this family than their aunts and uncles knew.
@ Felix
Thanks very much for taking time out to do the BM transcript for us Felix.
@ Felix
Thanks for the transcripts. Two more oddities (lies?) that I noticed. BM says there were two women in PD’s car when he met them on the road, but when he followed PD back to the turn-out PD got out but the “lady” stayed in the car. Maybe a mis-speak or he didn’t pronounce the plural. Then when they all left the turn-out he says he intended to cycle all the way back to Annecy. You’d think if he feared a killer in the trees he’d go down the road some distance and wait for the police, etc. Surely he’d know they’d want to talk to him. If it’s a lie, why put it in at all; it’s pointless. If it’s the truth it makes him sound scatter-brained or he was truly in a panic and not rational.
Now Felix’ excellent transcription (I know how laborious such a transcribtion is – pausing and writing and going back again) has been graphically enhanced by me</a< – and I think its excellent that we can work together in this way. He as a native is obviously the better suited for transcription tasks and hopefully I have added something that makes people wanting to stay on the page and read on.
Excellent digging…
@BB… have you tried to square your timeline for Hashim al Hilli with the early accounts of the family’s move to the UK as given by his son, Ali al Hilli, who works for Qantas in Australia?
CD,
yes, his son is Ali al Hilli who lives in Melbourne nowadays and apparently worked for several airlines including Iraqi airlines as a technical manager. This is Hashim’s son Ali. His daughter Balsam (Balsham) al Hilli-Xanthis is the elder sister of Ali and apparently she is back in the Iraq and a high ranked political member of the DAWA party who currently is in power of Iraqi parliament. I don’t know whether or not she is a parliament member, however, she was a candidate for a seat in the parliement. She is married with Greek industry tycoon George Xanthis and they have three already grown up children, all of them apparently living in London.
It is evident that Hashim immigrated into the UK with his wife and his two little children in 1958 where he lived in the Iraqi embassy at 22 Queens Gate. However, meanwhile I have found documents that are showing that he sent his family back into Iraq where they were staying until the late 1960tees. In late 1960tees/early 1970tees they returned to UK to stay in their new Roehampton Court house in Putney.
Re Ali Al Hilli
In that article I posted earlier about the Embassy and pics of them clearing it out, it mentions some of the stuff seen included Iraqi Airlines items (masking tape I think- Ali raiding te Iraqi Airlines stationary cupboard?)…and a load of medical journals too.
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Felix-Sorensen productions presents:
A newly transcribed interview with the honourable Mr. William Brett Martin. Q.O.C O.W.C (Queens own Counsel [on WC]),is now available on Icke. Enjoy!
The right honourable, Mr William Brett Martin O.B.E [Over the top But unaware and Ever so keen] has got his interview on SKY transcribed in an easy to read and graphic form on David Icke.
@Dopey
30 Oct, 2012 – 1:02 pm
Which article was that, please?
I think it would be helpful if we could all cross reference our postings, such as I do above, given the vast amount of information emerging on here, and the often lack of any satisfactory referencing or citations.
Sorry Mochyn, I was being lazy.
Here it is
http://www.cvni.net/radio/e2k/e2k029/e2k29article.html
@Kenneth
Thanks so much for doing that – I was rushing to get it up. If anyone wants to correct anything while watching and reading, please do. Btw it’s Symonds, not Symons. I have put the links in a comment at Icke.
@Bluebird
excellent work.
I agree that the biographies of Saddam Hussein are making it up. His father conveniently enters and vanishes as an illterate peasant, although his ignorant father produces two more top level players in the “pack of cards”. FWIW I don’t believe the death of SH story – more of an extraction imho. Ditto Gaddafi fwiw. So much news is fake these days, spread by those complicit, which is just about everybody in the media.
A bit about the Xanthis here :
http://www.castellorizo.org/histories/cassie11.htm
…Spyros and George Xanthis of Piraeus, who are the sons of Zafiris Xanthis..
{http://www.attreefamilyhistory.org/getperson.php?personID=I7315&tree=attree}
I wondered if they were jewish – looking for that connection in Kastellorizon, I noticed that this Australian woman’s jewish father changed his name to SAFFAR from Sheinfein
{http://www.northbridgehistory.wa.gov.au/OralHistory/NBHOH-191.pdf} just a coincidence.
@Felix
Thanks so much for posting the WBM interview transcripts at Icke.
🙂
I’m so glad he went on record “to dispel any ridiculous exaggerated stories that may bubble up if we didn’t do this.”
LMFAO
at SoftCat
30 Oct, 2012 – 8:38 am – This point has been noted by others. There are some other rather strange comments. For example he says he sees the cyclist on the ground first, but doesn’t say exactly where, though he admits to moving him away from the front of the car “in case it lurches forward”. This would mean on the back of the sight lines, that Mollier would have to be out front. However the big blood patch is about 2/3 metres off the near side of the car, which is more likely to Mollier’s for reasons previously stated. If he lay there he could not have been seen first by WBM coming up the hill. Nor does he indicate in any way that he probably recognised Mollier, when either he passed him (if he did) or when he saw him on the ground. This in itself is suspicious, suggesting as it does an attempt to disguise a prior relationship. The famous photo by DM photographer Roland Hoskins shows to the left what I imagine is the final resting place of Mollier under a tarpaulin that a policeman appears to be inspecting. The French account stated he was found placed neatly with “arms to his side”, where presumably Martin placed him. Why he would take so much trouble over a corpse, knowing that he was disturbing an important crime scene, is anybody’s guess. Mine is that in panic perhaps he thought his location on the passenger side would be more telling. If reports are accurate that Zainab claimed she was outside with her father, it places all three on the nearside when the killer started shooting. To get back in the car and reverse (presumably because a VEHICLE blocked forward movement) SAH might have thrown himself across the bonnet – there is some evidence of a slight dent there – and receiving a bullet wound in the process, before managing to get in the car and lock it. The marks to the windscreen might have been aimed at him whilst he did it, followed by two into the passenger front window. Mollier at this time is severely wounded and bleeding profusely on the ground. Zainab has run for her life to the rear maybe into the woods or has been coshed to the ground. Though wounded SAH starts car and reverses, meanwhile killer or accomplice rush down the driver’s side and delivers coup de grace, i.e. two shots to the head through the locked window. By this time the car has lodged on the bank, wheels still spinning, where the rear seat passengers are “sitting ducks” to shots fired from both sides of the car, to the heads of the victims. They return to Mollier and deliver the fatal shots to the head. Zainab is abandoned as they retreat. She reappears or recovers to stagger around minutes later when they have departed in or on their vehicle(s). I know it’s all supposition but it’s realistic reconstruction. I have no idea where WBM fits in to this and how much of his story is accurate, as it is shot through (no pun intended) with so many inconsistencies. I offer it up as a suggestion.
@Felix
30 Oct, 2012 – 2:29 pm
Oh ye of little faith!
But that’s an interesting connection. Remember the speculation that Philippe D may have been Phillipe Desmazes, the famous French AFP/ Getty Images photojournalist who claimed to have scooped the bloody Gadaffi arrest photos.
Several of the earliest photos of the al Hilli massacre story were also credited to him.
Was he already in Chevaline, on hand to capture another ‘scoop’?
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I agree NR
30 Oct, 2012 – 10:53 am their behaviour is odd after the event as well as before. We should always remember he is a mature, highly trained pilot and instructor well drilled in dealing with accidents, incidents and first aid. In the interview he tends to down play this. Would such a person TWICE leave a wounded and unconscious child of seven in a location of potential. After all incident training puts this as first and most important. In the absence of medical assistance would it not have been likely to carry the little girl back towards the Didierjean’s car? Then in view of what he had just seen, any intention of just going home by car or bike is quite unbelievable. What average person would consider leaving before speaking to the police, let alone a highly trained RAF officer in the RAF?
@SoftCat
Really, how did he know she had a sibling? If you see an unknown child in the distance you think she is playing with some other children, generally speaking, because you wouldn’t know if she has siblings or not.
Funnily enough that’s exactly what I thought when I first heard the interview, many weeks ago now…
Eventually I decided that the most likely scenario was that he had in fact had seen *two* children, hence the immediate impression that she was playing with her sibling (due to the obvious familiarity between the sisters but the inability to make out their genders from a distance).
Mind you, I’m not at all sure now what he really saw (if anything).
@Kenneth
What if the Browning was refitted in Israel to make it look like a Luger? . We are talking about state-agencies with the backing of the full state here. I mean a country which can build its own nuclear weapons and satelittes, surely it wouldn’t be beyound them to fit a Luger barrel with the aforementioned ‘grooves’ on to a Browning pistol?
Good point.
Mind you, I don’t think it’s easy to refit a 7.65mm Browning to 7.65mm Parabellum.
But what if an Uzi were refitted to take 7.65mm Para?
The Uzi fires 9x19mm Parabellum cartridges[1]. These are also known as 9mm Luger cartridges[2] and were developed by adapting the original 7.65mm Luger cartridge.
The only thing you have to do to convert the weapon is change the barrel:
“The 7.65mm Parabellum was replaced by the German army with the 9×19mm Parabellum cartridge. This involved simply expanding the bottleneck of the 7.65mm Luger cartridge to accept a 9mm bullet. Due to the almost identical case width, rim width, and overall length of the cartridges, most 7.65mm Parabellum firearms can be converted to 9mm Parabellum with only a change of barrel, and vice versa.”[3]
Additionally, the Uzi can take a 25-round magazine[1] which would account for the 25 shell casings reportedly found at the scene.
[1] {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi}
[2] {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%C3%9719mm_Parabellum}
[3] {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.65%C3%9721mm_Parabellum}