The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Bluebird
Nobody can accuse you of not thinking outside the box!!!
Thanks Paddy, I see that Hashim was/is living with Haider Al-Hilli in Twickenham.
http://www.192.com/atoz/people/al-hilli/haider/
@ Katie
31 Oct, 2012 – 10:43 am
I think it means he was Assyrian (from Iraq) and not a Syrian.
PS, I should have added a smiley, I meant the one that comes up in google. 😉
Kathy I assume you mean Rezko ? No ,he was born in Aleppo Syria.
Katie
Sorry, my mistake. Too busy concentrating on solving the captcha!
A new thread just started on Icke with a Kingston connection
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226219
Picture of Hashim al-Hilli, now on Icke .
This is the first image of him publiced in conjunction with the ongoing case re the murders above Lake Annecy. Soon it will pop up whenever people google his name. And soon a journo will write about it – if I know them right (they have to be spoon fed)
Morning all,
That DM article – the one posted just after midnight which included Mollier’s photo – it’s gone!
“Sorry…The page you have requested does not exist or is no longer available.”
I noticed before I went to bed that when the article was first published it appeared on Google results. However within half an hour, whilst the article was still there on DM, it no longer showed up on Google results. I thought it was odd then.
Now it’s clear why – they’ve wiped the article, and as soon as it was published it was hidden from Google within 30 minutes.
No problem ,Kathy.
Bloody Catcha I feel it should say Gotcha !!
Dopey, was it ‘our’ Mollier ?
Did you save it ????
sorensen:
quotePicture of Hashim al-Hilli, now on Icke .
This is the first image of him publiced in conjunction with the ongoing case re the murders above Lake Annecy. Soon it will pop up whenever people google his name. And soon a journo will write about it – if I know them right (they have to be spoon fed)
I guess the subtitle on this picture is wrong. Hashim al Hilli is the guy with the mustache on the right side. On the left there is the architect. Is it coincidence or doesn’t he look a bit like younger Saddam?
Many thanks for sharing that link with us!!
More re disappearance of a sailor in the Daily Mail article which has already closed its comments section:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224306/Search-called-missing-sailor-yacht-run-aground-engine-running.html
On page 2 of the Icke thread Anders is already linking it to the Al-Hillis though Hany Mustapha is Egyptian and from New Malden.
straw
many thanks for the link on icke. people managing so many security firms at once are living a dangerous life, don’t they?
Apologies, it’s still there. But it doesn’t appear on Google results as it did, and the link has changed.
I Googled “man who is key Sylvain Mollier” and found it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225436/The-man-whos-key-Alps-massacre-Mail-investigation-uncovers-vital-new-evidence-execution-British-family-thats-baffling-police.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Paddy,
in Europe and the USA, the “al” is never mentioned when they are writing about or registering Arab families. It could be mixed up with middle name “Al” for “Albert” instead. So they are leaving it out. Sometimes they register and sign with an “A” only, making it e.g. Kadhim A Hilli or K A Hilli. That’s not only for the Hillis but for all Arab names. Only very few times the “Al” is mentioned, particularly when these people did handwrite their own name theirselves into some very old registries.
Usually you’ll find much more when you search for “Hilli” in Western countries. Only in Arab countries the “al” is used.
“al” means nothing than “from”. In Dutch it is the “van” and in German the “von” and in French it is the “de”.
When searching in western registries or newspapers, forget the “al”. It’s rarely being used.
Yes Dopey, I found the article by clicking on his Google image of 11 hours ago. But the photo has gone from the Mail….
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I’ve changed the subtitle now. I always confuse left and (w)right 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
Yes I knew Hashim was the Arab DOH!
Yes, you’re right Katie- the photo has gone. We weren’t certain that it WAS Mollier. Surely the press would have checked it out for certain before publishing it?
Within 30 minutes of that article being published with the photo they were editing it.
Thanks for posting that photo Kenneth.
felix,
you are a HERO! Great links! I hope to open the files soon. Must get my way through them.
Katie:
Great find, but unfortunately wrong track. Hashim died in 1983, so he can’t be in an electoral roll in 2003 and later unless he were a ghost. Well, today we have Halloween …
Must be another Hashim. However, not the name of the third person in this household:
al Majid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that ring a bell?
My binary logic is right. I can really feel that. Who exactly is that? We need to know more about this person (father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, etc).
@BB
“Paddy,
in Europe and the USA, the “al” is never mentioned when they are writing about or registering Arab families. It could be mixed up with middle name “Al” for “Albert” instead. So they are leaving it out. Sometimes they register and sign with an “A” only, making it e.g. Kadhim A Hilli or K A Hilli. That’s not only for the Hillis but for all Arab names. Only very few times the “Al” is mentioned, particularly when these people did handwrite their own name theirselves into some very old registries.
Usually you’ll find much more when you search for “Hilli” in Western countries. Only in Arab countries the “al” is used.
“al” means nothing than “from”. In Dutch it is the “van” and in German the “von” and in French it is the “de”.
When searching in western registries or newspapers, forget the “al”. It’s rarely being used.”
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Bluebird, I know all of the above.
And that is the reason why I searched for “Hashim Hilli.” And, if what you have stated is so trivial – I just wondered why a search for “Hashim Hilli” was not done before.
I found the picture of Hashim al Hilli through that search term, and also that he was Consul General in NY before and after the revolution in 1958 (see above, 11 am, and more links there).
@Paddy
Thanks for finding the photo.
@Katie
the late Postman Patel was onto the case of the Auchis a long while ago:
http://postmanpatel.blogspot.co.uk/2008/02/joining-some-of-dots-pt-27-nahdmi-auchi.html
The Twickenham link led me to a strangely named company Saadi Hilli Ltd there, sole director Mrs Nour Barakat of Hendon.
Haider M Al-Hilli address is here:
{http://217.174.255.109/director/909902867}
whose dissolved company, Desertraders Ltd was registered there.
@Straw
so, according to the Sun, there are four people squashed into the back of the car and an unusused child seat in the front. Nonsense as usual.
The upper Sky video is interesting – Maillaud says “the post-mortems took place late last night…several bullet wounds, I won’t go on about the number… i said one bullet minimum, but it’s two bullets in each head..given the savagery of the killings I won’t be replyng to these questions [about ballistics]..”
Lower video “families mobile phones found at the scene…but no mention of the laptop which only,as far as I can see, the Guardian reported being in the BMW. Were there any revelations about that? Why take a laptop to a rural car park for a leisurely family walk with two young chilren and granny?
This is also the video where at 2.35 onwards, Claygate residing ex-Scotland Yard man Kevin Hurley speaks to camera.
Bluebird – Now is the time to post the definitive prrof that Hashim really is Saad’s uncle. I have to admit, that I haven’t got a clue as to how they are related, I have never seen the evidence. Imagine how a cautious journo must feel. You need to give them the proof, to spell it out for them (and us).
Why are you so afraid of posting on Icke, Bluebird?
There is an article about an Iraqi wrestler who tells about young Saddam. Not really important for our case, but look at the photo of Saddam and compare it with Hashim al Hilli’s photo thankfully posted by Kenneth. Couldn’t they be half brothers?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116016350283385147.html
Bluebird – my advice to you is to to tone down this Saddam/Jew stuff. It only confuses. You have shown some genious by digging Hashim up singlehandedly, so I guess we just have to take the rubbish also as part of the bargain? However I hope that you can be reasoned with and tone down the rubbish about Saddam being a J…DOH!. IF a journo got interested in Saad’s relationship with Hashim, this Saddam-Jew rubbish will VERY likely turn him away.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107116160
sorensen
Then tell me why their factory were seized in 1968/69 and why the emmigrated to London in 1970/71 ?
The compounds of Shias were never seized, even then when they felt apart with Sunnis. The properties of Jews, however, were seized by law right after the war with Israel in 1967. Read Iraqi history!
there are several other facts that made me to think about Jewish or half jewish origin:
1. Saddam did not use the name of his father al-Majid but he invented a completely new name that doesn’t belong to any of his ancestors before:
He invented “al-Tikriti”.
Arab men can invent new family tribe names when they become adults.
2. History books tell us that pregnant and homeless Subha (Saddam’s mother) was given shelter and care by a rich Jewish family. Honestly, I don’t believe the story of Jesus and Mary and Joseph, knocking at each unknown door and asking for shelter, either. You usually go to somebody whom you know and who is feeling responsible for your welfare.
3. Saddam suffered a high graded “Jewphobia”.
4. Hashim was leaving Iraq in 1938 at the age of only 20 with a diplomat passport, only coming back with American military transports apparently in 1941. The Jews had a very difficult time in Iraq between 1936-1941 since most Iraqi’s and Arabs were pro National-Socialists at that time and totally Anti-British, except for those Arabs who got bribed by the British (Lawrence of Arabia was the biggest bribery dealer of all of them) while Musil had the Arab ideology of Nationalism on his own side.
However, regardless whether or not being Jewish or half Jewish, finding a link of them for being close relatives would be much more important in that case.
If the problem about you not posting to Icke, I will not hesitate to recommend the excellent (and free) Picasa, which needs to be open, when you take a screenshot. With the Wright-Hashim image I opened it in Paint (a program that comes with any windows-machine) and chose: “mark/cut the image” when it was marked I pushed Ctrl+X and the marked area became white. Then I closed the image, I had just opened in Paint. It asked: “do you wiish to save [what you have just done]? Answer: “No”. Then choose “Open” and insert, pushing CRTL+v, and the thing that I’ve juct cut out of the largwer image is inserted. Then save the image to a place that is easy and quick to get at. Incidentially Picasa (which is running in the backgraound) imediately saves this as well.
Then you can actually adjust Picasa to automatically upload your images to Picasa web. I prefer to do it manually, that is to say I go to the relevant: “Recently updated images” section in Picasa, and find the image I’ve just cut in Paint, and then right click and upload to Picasa Web.
On Picasa web you need to be logged into your Google account. Then you can access the details of every image you have uploaded, and chose the size. I chose “original size”.
And I checked the box so that nobody can access the album where the image is, and I then copied the unique URL of the image, and used this on Icke to publish the image.
Yes Felix, I have that link already, I’m beginning to think I’m living with this bloke, the only thing I can’t find is who were his parents, they were living in Iraq when Mr X was born BUT what nationality were they & could it really be true they were related to Saddam ?
Although the brother was killed by the Baathists, clearly Mr X had a good relationship with the dictator …….. it would of course also explain why Mr X is now saying he had no links with Saddam….IE: denial.
The gap between the AH family & this man has closed.