The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ dopey 31 Oct, 2012 – 2:53 pm
“@ Tim – Stephen Milligan was found wearing nothing but stockings and suspenders too. If you want to totally discredit/destroy someone, no better way than to link them to deviant sexual behaviour or sex crime.”
They tried their best with Gareth Williams. In addition to the designer dresses, womens shoes and red wig found in his flat (no mention of womens undergarments, which several people at the time pointed out that meant he wasn’t a serious cross-dresser) there was also testimony at the 2nd inquest about his solo bondage-gone-wrong at his flat in Cheltenham, and a video of him, naked, except for high boots (not specified as cowboy boots or a those of a dominatrix) shaking his booty at the camera. They didn’t show the video – it would have been a YouTube viral.
With everyone in their twenties and thirties, including our most celebrated celebrities, sexting such things around, it’s hardly shocking these days – not that I’d know anything about that personally, of course.
The senior managers of our agencies must update pages 1067 – 1088 of the policy manual on what currently constitutes sufficiently deviant behavior to insure moral outrage amongst a gullible public. All activities depicted in the films “Jackass” 1.0 through 3.5 or “The Silent Library” won’t work any longer – and that covers a lot. If only they had a pic of Gareth cycling without wearing his mandatory safety helmet, then the Red Tops would headline, “Monstrous Spy Fiend Set Bad Example for Children!”
@Suhayl: Zombies walk tonight!
As it seems I am now the only one posting on here (it’s OK I’m used to talking to myself) I will leave you with just one final significant observation. I have made it before but it may be worth repeating, if only for the DM reporters to ponder.
From their most recent article,
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2225436/The-man-whos-key-Alps-massacre-Mail-investigation-uncovers-vital-new-evidence-execution-British-family-thats-baffling-police.html)
the aerial photo clearly shows two major blood stains on the ground to the right of the car about two or three metres away at 90 degrees to the front passenger door. This is roughly where all the graphics, presumably based on official sources, locate Zainab. Now look as we may there appears to be no other evidence of blood on the ground and I know of no reporter on the 7th Sept. indicating any, so we shall assume there is none.
The police appear amazingly blaze about this vital evidence. In the second DM picture below, it is quite obvious officers are actually standing on it. Let us hope adequate soil samples had already been taken for laboratory examination! There are two quite distinct stains but very close together. If you look carefully it is even possible to detect what appears to be drag or crawl trails of perhaps half a metre to both.
Now here’s the interesting bit: WBM’s evidence is that he finds SM “in front of the car”, yet there appears to be not a spot of blood there despite six or seven bullet wounds. Clearly this is not supported by the evidence. All the graphics indicate Mollier lying to the front right of the car with bike between him and the road. This may have been his final resting place as moved by WBM by his own report, but clearly not from the “front of the car”. Even if “covered in blood” as WBM described her (incidentally contradicted by Didierjean) the fact that she was “staggering around” virtually precludes the blood stains being hers.
In addition it may be assumed that Mollier with perhaps two or three times the quantity of blood in his body and much more serious injuries, is the much more likely source of the stains. The unavoidable conclusion is therefore these stains are in fact Mollier’s blood and THIS is where he lay dying, NOT in front of the car.
If so it has implications for WBM’s story line and gives more cause to doubt its reliability. If this is where he lay, his story that Mollier was the first thing he saw as he cycled up the road, is clearly not supported by the evidence, as he would be hidden from view behind the car. The only conclusion that can be made is that this is where Mollier stood, was shot, lay and met his end, subsequently moved by Martin or the killers. This is consistent with the DM report from police sources that “Mr Mollier … was shot seven times in two separate bursts of fire. The first two shots were to his chest, the third to his head. The angle and trajectory of the bullets mean Mr Mollier must have been either standing up or still on his bike when he was gunned down”. A further four shots were made into his body as he lay prone, hence the blood stain. WBM commented upon an absence of grazes so shot whilst standing is more likely and standing with SAH and Zainab if we are to believe her reported account.
The next claim that SAH hit him as he reversed is much less obvious and difficult to explain. The article states: “In the confusion, he (SAH) got in the BMW without her, locked the doors then reversed at high speed and hit Mr Mollier in the chest.”
This supposition is apparently based upon the injury to his chest.
For this to hold Mollier would have had to have been behind the BMW yet we have already noted the police claim that he was shot first and before SAH had managed to reverse. This is clearly impossible. If he fell to the ground where the blood stain indicates, there is no way SAH’s car could have struck him. Note the direction of the car and significantly of the front wheels. If it reversed it did so in a straight line for only a few seconds before Al Hilli himself was shot dead and the car anchored itself in the bank.
So now we ask, if the police are confident SM had been struck and injured by a vehicle, it must have been ANOTHER vehicle, presumably the killers. Another vehicle is required on the scene to satisfy the Police’s own interpretation of the injury. In the process and the latest flimsy theory of only one mentally deranged psychopath on a bike – “there is a growing consensus among local police that the murders were the work of a lone psychopath or ‘tireur fou’ — ‘mad gunman” – is demonstrated to be quite as untenable as it appears unlikely.
@Tim
We don’t know where the Schutz-Mollier family lives. I found out where her father possibly lives*. I am guessing they weren’t above the shop, so to speak. A large white house in the centre of town is all we know. Did he even live with C. Schutz?? I don’t think we know.
A Ugine (Savoie), où Sylvain Mollier habitait une grande maison blanche au coeur du bourg [le JDC, Sept 12]
While looking, I see that her father Thierry Schutz has been fingered at Marilyn Z. as a keen cyclist,
*255 Chemin des Blâches, Grignon is an address which appears for the parents on the web
I find the discussion at MZT rather unsatisfying, tending towards the lone madman theory, ignoring the “not as described on the tin” for both SM, the Hilli-Saffars (we know neither the contents nor the label of the SM tin for sure) and the crazy, shifting narrative. Over-analysing a lie is not very rewarding.
This link is not longer working:
“Précédent – Le Journal du Centre
http://www.lejdc.fr/…/le-cycliste-tue-a-chevaline-un-pere... – Translate this page
12 sept. 2012 – La silhouette de Sylvain Mollier, un brun de taille moyenne, leur était familière. “Il faisait du vélo presque tous les jours”, témoigne Amelia …”
“Brun” means brown.
But she WAS in immediate danger Kempe 31 Oct, 2012 – 9:05 pm. At least that is what the men thought. That is precisely why they left themselves, because they believed they were in danger. The point is with first aid rules, as with any in life, you have to attempt to interpret them and apply them to the situation. This is a highly trained pilot for goodness sake. She had earlier been running around so a spinal injury was unlikely. Carrying an unconscious seven year old in your arms to a place of safety is unlikely to have made matters worse. The point I am making is that two adult men deserted an unconscious badly injured little girl to protect themselves. Say what you will that doesn’t sound the right action to me, let alone an heroic one.
Felix
I think I read that both Mollier and his father belonged to the European Workers Party which has been rumoured to have links with the CIA and coincidentally they also have a branch in Sweden with someone called Hussein Askary as one of the party leaders. I wonder if the grandmother was in that organization since it was against the Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Workers_Party
Thanks to replying to my request Felix 31 Oct, 2012 – 11:24 pm. Presumably the same applies to Martin’s property as well? No doubt you got my point that if they both left at the same time it would help to suss out there respective positions and where SM might pass WBM (if he did). I think I shall pack up now and hope someone in the press will take the thing forward. Regards, Tim.
@Kathy
31 Oct, 2012 – 11:37 pm
The swedish branch of LaRouche is EAP, which now has an iraqi leader Hussein Askary.
They are nuts. Just recieved 187 votes in the national election. Always been monitored by the security ( Säpo ).
Most supporters ( 64 votes in municipal elections ) they have in “Botkyrka” which partly corresponds to Tumba where Suhaila lived.
They are extremely pro-nuclear, even want Sweden to build a bomb. Antisemites and conspiracy theorists.
@ Thomas
Thanks for the information. Very interesting that Hussein Askary is Iraqi and they have most votes in area where Suhaila was living. Also the nuclear link again.
@NR
The Mail is looking here for stories. If they were so sure that the photo of Mollier was correct they would have left it – there would seem to be nothing to do with privacy holding them back. I really don’t think it is helpful pushing a doubtful photo. The Mail’s reaction seems to confirm that the hunter as temporarily depicted has nothing to do with Ugine.
MZT forum also does not see that the Sky broadcast of BM is a continuation of the BBC interview. I have really no idea why the BBC said half of the story was the complete story, and gave the rest of it to Sky. However, a lot of BBC types were getting hot under the collar when Sky blanked out the BBC logo with its own in the broadcast, and the Daily Mail even used a screenshot of Martin with a Sky logo at the top.
What does the BBC mean, they do Sky a favour???? I think they are doing the Foreign office a favour keeping BM to one interview. [see page at Icke]
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061116793#post1061116793
@Kathy
31 Oct, 2012 – 11:37 pm
Thanks Kathy,that’s central to my theory as I’ve expounded on here many times before.
It’s the LaRouche link. Sylvain and Roger Mollier were original subscribers to the Ugine branch of Solidarite et Progres, the French LaRouche organisation. Note, Solidarite and Progres, not the European Workers Party (Europeiska arbetarpartiet), that is the name of the Swedish LaRouche organisation.
Solidarite et Progres was founded to bring together a militant broad left coalition of leftists, communists, association and trade union members and environmentalists.
One of LaRouche’s central ideas also appears to be the sharing of technology with ‘developing’ countries. They are pro-nuclear.
So we have SM and his recently deceased father subscribing to the foundation of a militant left wing political party in, I think it was 2007. Except LaRouche isn’t what it seems, and many believe it is a front for the CIA.
I have asked about the Swedish LaRouche organisation several times before on here, so am glad to see more of you are picking up on this lead. I see it as central to what was going on.
@Thomas
1 Nov, 2012 – 12:15 am
Thank you for that.I have asked about Hussain Askary several times. How do you know he is Iraqi?
And don’t be so quick to dismiss the EWP or Solidarite et Progres. Hussein Askary has been the editor of LaRouche’s journal Executive Intelligence Review,which has had very close connections with the US government. Furthermore the leader of Solidarite et Progres Jacques Cheminade was a candidate in the 2012 French presidential elections, and of course Lyndon LaRouche himself has been a candidate several tims in US presidential elections.
Please feel free to google any of the key words here to find out more. I’ve posted the links a couple of times before, so I’m not going to bother to do it again. But please do keep up!
Last layout of transcribed interview
Family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting confirmation.
Good morning all!
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Family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting confirmation.
By the way, that last bit is at the others, not you Thomas!
Check out the LaRouche ‘s global network on Jacques Cheminade’s website here:
http://www.cheminade2012.fr/Ses-amis-dans-le-monde_00189
There’s even a branch in New Zealand.
Here’s a link EAP’s website:
http://www.larouche.se/
And a link to an intersting page with videos of Hussein Askary:
http://www.larouche.se/artikel/eap-mote-om-slutspelet-for-finanssystemet-varldskrigshotet
This Laurouche ‘movement’ in Sweden consisiting of barely 200 people, seems to be an absolute minority, so I wouldn’t bother much about it.
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@Moch
Thanks for the research.
It doesn’t seem to translate into votes in Ugine though
{http://www.lemonde.fr/resultats-election-presidentielle/ugine,73400/}
From the blog,however, it seems to have gone underground there. But I find the connection compelling.
{http://www.leopoldreport.com/LRsajt89.html}
@all
I think I have found a video showing the house of Sylvain Mollier – a very large white house on a slope, along with some footage of workers at the plant, one of them very upset, plus the Mayor, Michel Chevalier speaking to camera.
http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-en-haute-savoie-qui-est-le-cycliste-abattu-7508374.html
Can anyone translate anything significant?
And the Solidarité et progrès supporters’ committee list:
VENDREDI 7 MARS 2008, 12:00
Comité de soutien
Pour résister à la politique antisociale du Gouvernement,
Pour conserver, rénover ou créer des services publics accessibles à tous,
Pour une ville dynamique et solidaire au profit de tous,
Pour qu’Ugine reste une “Ville à la Montagne”,
Pour que les tous les Uginois deviennent pleinement acteurs du destin de leur ville, dans une intercommunalité partagée,
J’apporte mon soutien à la liste présentée par Solidarité & Progrès aux élections municipales d’Ugine et conduite par Louis Bertrand.
M AMIOUR Cyrille
M AMPRIMO Sylvain
M AMPRIMO Robert
M ARTALLE Henri
Mme/M ARTALLE Lucienne
M AVOCAT Roger
Mme/M AVOCAT Marie
BARGE Georgette
BARGE Raymond
M BERTRAND René
M BETTANIN Serge
M BIANCO Benjamin
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Guy
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Fernand
Mme/M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Gisèle
Mme/M BONDI Brigitte
M BONDI Henri
M BOTTERI Christian
Mme/M BOULAY Chantal
BRUN Frédérique
M BRUN Alain
Mme/M BRUN Thérèse
M BUFFA JOSEPH
M BUFFARD Lucien
M CERUTTI Roger
M COLAVITTO A
Mme/M COR DELORME Bernadette
Mme/M COURALET Nicole
M COURAUD Christophe
M CROISONNIER Bernard
M Cervellin Jean Paul
Chabanis Geneviève
Mme/M DAVIGNON Geneviève
M DE ALMEIDA ALVES Albino
DEGLISE Guy
Mme/M DEGLISE Odette
M DEVILLE Emmanuel
M DEVILLE Patrice
M DOLPHEN Bernard
Mme/M DOLPHEN Monique
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DUMAS Frédéric
M FABBRI B.
M FABBRI Richard
M FAVERO J-L
M FERREOL G.
Mme/M GASTALDON Mireille
M GENGENBACHER Patrick
Mme/M GHENO Arlette
M GREFFIER Yves
M GUERASSIMOFF Marc
Mme/M HAUSER Gladisse
M HAUSER Jean-michel
Mme. KABOUB Hélène
M LAPPRAND pierre
LAUNAY daniele
LAUNAY jean
LE DUC Thierry
Mme. LE MENESTREL Anne
M LE POTTIER Richard
M LECONTE Pierre
M LEDU Armand
M LODOLO cédric
M Loubié Georges
Mme/M Loubié Josiane
M MERMIER André
M MEUNIER Yves
Mme/M MEUNIER Franca
M MOLLIER Roger
M MOLLIER Sylvain
MOLLIER LOISON Didier
Mme/M MONGELLAZ Anne-Marie
M MONGELLAZ Guy
M MOROT Denis
M Molliex-Donjon Florian
Mme/M NEBINGER Annie
M NOVEL Charles
Mme/M NOVEL Marie
M ORSET Jean
M OUVRIER BUFFET Patrick
M OUVRIER-BONNAZ Lucien
PADEL Thomas
M PADEL Marc
M PAHIN Jean-Luc
M PALACIN Fabien
Mme/M PASQUALOTTO ELISE
M PECHERAND Ulysse
M PEDURANT René
Mme/M PELLIZER DANILA
M POLLET André
M RACT Laurent
Mme/M REY Jeannine
M REY Fernand
Mme/M REY Nicole
M RIONDY Edouard
M ROHI Gérard
M ROHI Daniel
M ROL Georges
Mme/M ROUX Claudine
M RUBINO Patrice
M SANTOS Fernand
Mme/M SANTOS Lucienne
M SERVE Gérard
Mme/M SERVE Danièle
M SIBUET Robert
Mme/M TARDITI Laurence
Mme/M TARTARAT Marie
M TROLONG-BAILLY Jean-Max
M VIARD Guy
M WEISS Arnaud
M WEISS Julien
Mme/M WEISS Françoise
Par Solidarité et progrès
COMITÉ DE SOUTIEN
http://solidariteprogres73.elunet.fr/index.php/post/05/02/2008/Comite-de-soutien
This is one of the only references to a SM from Ugine on the net. Can somebody who is more tech-savvy than me do a screengrab of that page and post it on icke? Just in case??
BTW, who is/was Frédérique BRUN? I remember we were talking about him or her, but I can’t remember the context. Kathy? Katie?? Anybody???
Frédérique Brun is a womans name, but it came up here previously because of its strong resemblance to Frédérick Brun, who incidentally was the one driving the black Pajero that crashed on 30 september.
M AMIOUR Cyrille
M AMPRIMO Sylvain
M AMPRIMO Robert
M ARTALLE Henri
Mme/M ARTALLE Lucienne
M AVOCAT Roger
Mme/M AVOCAT Marie
BARGE Georgette
BARGE Raymond
M BERTRAND René
M BETTANIN Serge
M BIANCO Benjamin
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Guy
M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Fernand
Mme/M BIGUET PETIT JEAN Gisèle
Mme/M BONDI Brigitte
M BONDI Henri
M BOTTERI Christian
Mme/M BOULAY Chantal
BRUN Frédérique
M BRUN Alain
Mme/M BRUN Thérèse
M BUFFA JOSEPH
M BUFFARD Lucien
M CERUTTI Roger
M COLAVITTO A
Mme/M COR DELORME Bernadette
Mme/M COURALET Nicole
M COURAUD Christophe
M CROISONNIER Bernard
M Cervellin Jean Paul
Chabanis Geneviève
Mme/M DAVIGNON Geneviève
M DE ALMEIDA ALVES Albino
DEGLISE Guy
Mme/M DEGLISE Odette
M DEVILLE Emmanuel
M DEVILLE Patrice
M DOLPHEN Bernard
Mme/M DOLPHEN Monique
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DOUSSOT Guy
M DUMAS Frédéric
M FABBRI B.
M FABBRI Richard
M FAVERO J-L
M FERREOL G.
Mme/M GASTALDON Mireille
M GENGENBACHER Patrick
Mme/M GHENO Arlette
M GREFFIER Yves
M GUERASSIMOFF Marc
Mme/M HAUSER Gladisse
M HAUSER Jean-michel
Mme. KABOUB Hélène
M LAPPRAND pierre
LAUNAY daniele
LAUNAY jean
LE DUC Thierry
Mme. LE MENESTREL Anne
M LE POTTIER Richard
M LECONTE Pierre
M LEDU Armand
M LODOLO cédric
M Loubié Georges
Mme/M Loubié Josiane
M MERMIER André
M MEUNIER Yves
Mme/M MEUNIER Franca
M MOLLIER Roger
M MOLLIER Sylvain
MOLLIER LOISON Didier
Mme/M MONGELLAZ Anne-Marie
M MONGELLAZ Guy
M MOROT Denis
M Molliex-Donjon Florian
Mme/M NEBINGER Annie
M NOVEL Charles
Mme/M NOVEL Marie
M ORSET Jean
M OUVRIER BUFFET Patrick
M OUVRIER-BONNAZ Lucien
PADEL Thomas
M PADEL Marc
M PAHIN Jean-Luc
M PALACIN Fabien
Mme/M PASQUALOTTO ELISE
M PECHERAND Ulysse
M PEDURANT René
Mme/M PELLIZER DANILA
M POLLET André
M RACT Laurent
Mme/M REY Jeannine
M REY Fernand
Mme/M REY Nicole
M RIONDY Edouard
M ROHI Gérard
M ROHI Daniel
M ROL Georges
Mme/M ROUX Claudine
M RUBINO Patrice
M SANTOS Fernand
Mme/M SANTOS Lucienne
M SERVE Gérard
Mme/M SERVE Danièle
M SIBUET Robert
Mme/M TARDITI Laurence
Mme/M TARTARAT Marie
M TROLONG-BAILLY Jean-Max
M VIARD Guy
M WEISS Arnaud
M WEISS Julien
Mme/M WEISS Françoise
Par Solidarité et progrès
COMITÉ DE SOUTIEN
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Family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting confirmation.
@Kenneth Sorensen
1 Nov, 2012 – 3:24 am,
Sorry, but how can you be so stupid on this one?
EAP is part of the global LaRouche movement.They field presidential candidates in France and the US!
Check out their website. They own a TV station. They publish EIR.
They’re a militant left wing global organisation, but they’re not. Most likely a front for the CIA!!!
Do you know the English saying about small acorns and great oaks?? Maybe not!
I’ve saved the page to my desktop, and you could do the same by going into ‘File’ in your browser, and choose ‘Save’. Thats a first step we can make, and then if it disappears, <em<then we can put in on Icke. [But all this disappearing stuff I don’t believe in]
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Some different aerial footage here showing the car park and parallel road at about 1.00
http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-en-haute-savoie-le-point-sur-l-enquete-7508367.html
TF1 journo on the spot regurgitates the official narrative.
In the Claygate video, reporter Nicholas Bellet gets inside the house of George Aicolina, who is anxious to tell the viewers about the will dispute.
{http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-en-haute-savoie-le-point-sur-l-enquete-7508367.html}
Can someone translate the French over the top of the “will” statement?
@Kenneth Sorensen
1 Nov, 2012 – 4:08 am
Thank you for that, and also for your work over at icke.
Hussain has a lot to say on everything from the Sudan to blaming the British for all the trouble in the East, he knows everything & has all the answers !
This will tell you all you need to know:
IN English:
http://www.schillerinstitut.dk/hussein_askary_speech.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=Hussein+Askary&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvnso&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=XSaSUOXSIKmi0QXmzIBo&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1140&bih=550
Re Sylvain Mollier’s new bike route
I have said it before and still hold the view that this ‘new route’ is rubbish and therefore if that isnt true. I am not sure about the ‘reporting him late and taking a photo to the Police station’ is believable either.
By looking at a map the 12 miles from Ugine on the main road SM must have cycled 100s of times there is no alternative from that direction. The new route can therefore only be 2 or 3 miles near to the crime scene. There isnt an obvious circular route back to home. I suggested that he drove to a point nearer to Chevaline before using his bike.
To see if the timings work from Tim’s question we dont even know whether Sylvain was on a race bike. Early suggestions were that BM and SM were members of the same cycling club, something that nobody here has been able to confirm. If SM was on a race bike the continuing road beyond the layby hardly seems ideal.
Just why would a 45 year old immersed in the community with a new wife running a pharmacy be so secretive and avoid having photos taken while he was alive or published after his death.
To me it clearly suggests he was up to no good and I dont see why the family would want me to think that.
@Q 11.38 pm
“La silhouette de Sylvain Mollier, un brun de taille moyenne, leur était familière. “Il faisait du vélo presque tous les jours”, témoigne Amelia …”
“Brun” means brown.”
Yes, it does, and in this kind of usage it means with brown hair. Here’s another example, talking about a fair-haired man (un blond) and a brown-haired man (un brun): “deux hommes qui partageaient la même cabine, un grand blond et un brun de taille moyenne.”
Felix, I’d love to help but cannot get the clip to play.
Mochyn, Kenneth is right about the Frederique Brun crash, found in the woods three weeks after the AH murders.
Tim , a clear & well written scenario of events possible & non plausible.
I see the gun shots to Mollier seem to have been altered over time, I was under the impression all the body shots were in his back but not so now.
I agree about the blood stain, in JPG ending DC- 713 which is the best photo [ enlarged ] to see detail, there is nothing to see elsewhere……HOWEVER…… look again & see that the shape says two bodies have lain side by side but would have to be alive when they fell or placed there…
Drag it to your desktop, open & enlarge.I cannot see how those stains are from one body only.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3530414.ece
@ katie
look again & see that the shape says two bodies have lain side by side
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Yes, I’ve always thought the shape does look like two bodies. But it looks too “movie scene” like, or even cartoon like ie too obviously like the outlines of two bodies, so I decided it was perhaps a visual illusion instead.
With no blood anywhere else there seemed to be too much blood there and it outlined their entire body shapes, almost like when the police in movies outline a dead body shape on the floor with tape/chalk.
If there was enough blood to leave outlines there like that (in the spot BM may have moved them to), then there should have been surely even more blood wherever Mollier was found before he was moved.
The blood stains there just don’t make sense.