The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Gaynor Cook, his wife, has never spoken about the matter to this day despite repeated requests from the media.”
Oh well that proves it then. She must have something to hide. Can’t just be that she considers it a private matter or that she finds talking about the day she watched her husband drop down dead too distressing.
No idea who the pathiologist was although you might be able to look it up.
This doesn’t sound like a Mossad killing, because (if my understanding is correct) Mossad wouldn’t attempt to kill whole families, only the person directly threatening Israel, e.g. a scientist helping a country hostile to Israel to develop nuclear weapons. It isn’t even certain that Al-Hilli was doing this. So this sounds more like the work of a criminal mafia.
@Felix
If you want to call Mme Pah-Pah-Pah is a fraud, then you also have to call Franck and his father Melvin frauds too…
http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Faits-divers/Actualite/Le-scenario-minute-par-minute-de-la-tuerie-de-Chevaline-555890
The reason I believe this part of the fairytale is that it was reported early on, and then disappeared from the official narrative as Brett Martin’s story became the main focus. As he didn’t say he heard shots, this doesn’t fit in.
Early on in the fairytales is when you get uncensored reportage of facts which don’t fit in with later gloss-overs. Think, for example, of the videos of the bombs in the basements of the WTC Twin Towers on 9/11. All over youtube but never in the mainstream media.
Or think of the Cambridge Evening News report (now pulled) of the dancer who was on one of the tubes MI5 blew up in their black op on 7/7. He was injured in the blast and says that as he was walked out of the blown-up tube carriage by a policeman, the policeman pointed out the hole in the bottom of the tube where the bomb had been, telling him to watch out for it.
However, our man says (a) he doesn’t remember anyone standing there, and no bag there either and (b) the metal was blown upwards (not downwards).
Someone has saved this gem somewhere on the internet because the CEN have binned it.
Anyhoo… I’m sure the regular dissenters will come out now to say that eyewitnesses never remember anything important and always contradict each other, etc, etc.
Now… if that were true, no conviction would ever stand up in court… nor would there be any point in having eyewitness testimony in any courtroom…
So… how does metal get bent upwards by a bomb inside a train?
How do at least three eyewitnesses hear gunfire when there was none?
How can many videos record bomb blasts when there were none?
These independently witnessed facts that come out early on are key and need to be kept in mind.
It is possible that silencers were used when the Al Hilli’s and SM were killed (if indeed anyone was killed) and it’s possible they were not killed in the car but put there after.
If that were true someone could then have let off a blast of automatic fire for say 30 secs.
I’m not saying this is what I believe (I don’t) but it is in the realms of possibility.
But I think it’s highly unlikely you’ll get independent witnesses, early on, all saying they heard gunfire when there wasn’t any.
Matthew,
Are you saying they sent a message 10 days ago from point A?
A firework with no payload to B
Overflying point C
Just to show they can?
@Kempe
The CIA are experts at inducing heart attacks.
James writes:
“Where did Saad meet his wife ? On holiday ? How did he date her ? Skype ?
Why don’t the accounts from 2001 to 2006 add up for a hotshot contractor?”
Did he only return to inherit the house?
Perhaps life back in the UK has not been as profitable as it was in Dubai, note the kids at state school, old BMW and caravan holidays, not really the high roller lifestyle?
So some middleman work was called for?
If the indymedia stuff is to be believed his lifestyle was government funded until he switched sides?
@Commesick
Yeah, templates are reused over and over again.
“Drills” turn into real-time events eg 9/11 and 7/7.
Funny that.
I worked out once, what’s the probability of planning a terror drill on the tubes, picking 3 places at random for your imaginary “bombs”, and then finding out (surprise, surprise) that the real terrorists had picked exactly the same places to plant their real bombs, just as you were busy doing the drill?
If there were say 100 stations in central London, that would give you an approx chance of 1 in a million… so rather unlikely to happen by chance…
Don’t forget Saad’s wealthy father, millionaire by all accounts.
Maybe Saad just didn’t need the money after he inherited?
What year did his father die?
@ ferret
The father died in August 2011 Ferret.
If there was money floating about Saad didn’t seem to want to spend it. That Surrey house is distinctly shabby looking externally. If Saad liked “fixing things up” it doesn’t seem to have extended to the family home.
Smoked out the hasbaric kempe with my template, bwahahahahahhaa.
@Straw
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
Places where they *might* do nuclear weapons research (just speculating wildly)…
– Aldermaston?
– Porton Down? (wasn’t this where they anthraxed sheep in WWII?)
Thanks Dopey. And he probably had trust funds in his name (or both children’s names) – wealthy people often do that in their lifetimes to avoid inheritance tax when they die…
The family left the campsite about midday, I believe, plenty of time to set this fairytale up and were probably as conspicuous as possible before hand.
Picking apples in front of all those Dutch campers sitting outside their caravans.
“Don’t forget Saad’s wealthy father, millionaire by all accounts”
But ended up in a flat in Spain?
Did bumped off brother only cop the house off mummy because other brother married an Irish woman?
Perhaps rather than worring about shot down spy sats we should look at how his life and home were funded?
Flats can be quite posh too, by all accounts.
And millionaires can be quite miserly too, by all accounts.
The family feud theory wrt brother Zaid was written off by all who knew them.
There is another family feud theory that might have some legs but the sources won’t say what it is or what it’s about.
… and his relatives in Iraq said “look at the work he did and you’ll find out who killed him”.
And the D Notice said “don’t mention his work”.
Or his links to Iran, or to the Secret Service.
And don’t for Jehovah’s sake, speculate about Mossad’s involvement.
Whoops! I just did. Naughty me.
MEK
We should note that the MEK headquarters are in France.
http://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2011/aug/23/us-terrorism-report-mek-and-jundallah
We should note that Israel and the MEK are joint working on a false flag operation in order to start WWIII with the support of all people.
http://www.nejatngo.org/en/post.aspx?id=4808
We shoould note that the Hezbollah Shia members Al Saffar and al Hilli are deadly enemies of MEK and support the SAHAR family foundation (speaker mrs. Al maliki)
http://www.saharngo.com/en/
We should note that several usa ooliticians, amongst them newt gingrich are being bribed by MEK to support their goals to destabilize iran by terror attacks.
More links collected in following post. I know that this is a lot to read but we are on tge right path here.
Link collection reagarding MEK and SAHAR family foundation (al maliki, al saffar) who are dead enemies.
http://www.nejatngo.org/en/post.aspx?id=4504
http://www.nejatngo.org/en/blogv.aspx?id=10
http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-resistance/11976-mek-june-23-villepinte-trans-atlantic-convention-support-democracy-in-iran
http://www.iran-interlink.org/?mod=view&id=8720
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/gingrich_speaks_at_mek_rally_in_france.php?m=1
We are on the right path: MEK (france headquarter) assassinate high ranked Hezbollah scientist who either:
Tried to leak a false flag operation (current or previous) that would have blamed Israel and/or the usa/uk
Or
Tried to smuggle collected money from the al saffar swedish and uk hezbollah organisations to a Swiss bank (smuggling track via mountainbikes to switzerland) and MEK stole the money after being tipped by mossad. That would make sense because the killers wanted something, otherwise they would have used a car bomb as often before.
Or
Saad had plans or devices handover in order to support Irans WMD interest.
Whatever this was, MEK and Israel had immanent interest to kill them since their organisations lost CIA support now, due to bribed american politicians and due to the uas/israel interest to attack Iran.
@Straw
Looks like I got it, first time out the box!
Aldermaston
http://www.awe.co.uk/
“Welcome to AWE, the Atomic Weapons Establishment.”
AWE
Aldermaston
Reading
Berkshire
RG7 4PR
United Kingdom
Didn’t SAH go to Reading to pick up Granny, en route to France?
And then on to Swindon?
(Totally wrong way for ports to France.)
Man Ive looked at that statement a few times?
“look at the work he did and you’ll find out who killed him”.
Does anyone know what he really did? he had his fingers in a lot of pies didnt he!
Was his role at SSTL just a front to what he really did, I cant see this guy getting busted at AMS by Mi5/Mi6 and then letting him go off to Iran unless it was under orders, that means he was turned and if you turned you are a double and a traitor, that scenario would mean we did the Job!, if he was working for Iran then take your pick!
To support the smuggling theory via hiking paths to switzerland:
http://www.swiss-switzerland.com/hiking-in-switzerland.html#.UGlUGCNuvJs
Whatever it was, the supposed plan was to smuggle money or a device or a plan to be leaked into switzerland in/on a mountain bike via a hiking path across mountains.
MEK interrupted the meeting with the cyclist, got what they wanted and killed all smugglers.
Smuggling goods could have been likely hidden inside the bike that SAAD did transport on his roof. The cyclist was supposed to change bikes and to continue his tour into switzerland.
Supposingly this had worked already several times in the past few years.
“Whatever this was, MEK and Israel had immanent interest to kill them since their organisations lost CIA support now, due to bribed american politicians and due to the uas/israel interest to attack Iran.”
The various MEK operations on behalf of Israel all seem pretty cack handed, they seem to have cracked the motorbike and magnetic bomb thing, but their operations in india and thailand were a joke, meanwhile al-hilli’s killers did a perfect job.
@Ricki
The D Notice said not to look at his links to nuclear weapons research…
So…
Hence conv between me and Straw, now about Aldermaston…
Isn’t Aldermaston now owned by an American company? I seem to recall something about that a few years ago.
I used to drive past it a few times a month years ago when I used to stay in a hotel in Burghfield nearby.
Dave brooker:
Their job in this case was not perfect at all. Otherwise we would not discuss here.
Why didnt they use a car bomb?
Becsuse they did need something that was either inside the car or on the roof of that car.
Job fulfilled, but in terms of press attention this aas a lusy job. Now they are on the stage and 99% we already know who they are and who supported them and who exactly – in regards to nternational politics – their victims were.
Mission accomplished. But what a lousy work!
“Whatever it was, the supposed plan was to smuggle money or a device or a plan to be leaked into switzerland in/on a mountain bike via a hiking path across mountains.”
Seems a far fetched idea, why not just email the plans or post someone a memory stick?
Or just drive to Switzerland in the BMW?
Did Al-hilli use the house in France as a drop off point/post box?
Why take the mother in law along?
It’s clear that he was worried about something, and all this was done in a hurry, was the plan to run, and they just stopped off for one final trade with french nuclear man before making for safety?
If Al-Hilli was a bit of a middleman, and had been brought out of retirement because he was skint, (did he have a massive inheritance tax to pay on the Claygate house) and he’d been doing a bit of dealing on the side, perhaps he got word that he’d been rumbled?
Did he change the locks because he knew he’d been away from home for a while?
Most obvious explanation is that he was a bit of a middleman between French nuclear men and Iran, and Israel got him?
French police seem to be just going through the motions and the media seem to have been muzzled?
“Their job in this case was not perfect at all”
It was flawless.
Everyone died other than the 2 kids, and they got away without being seen, heard or leaving a trail.
Could it have gone any better?
Headlines about that crime could read:
MEK team killed Hezbollah agents on a smuggling route into Switzerland.
“Why didnt they use a car bomb?”
Their hired hands in Iran do that, nobody cares about casulties there, operating in France, a supposed ally, killing British people (just brown ones though) they’d want a more surgical approach, so they’d do it themselves.