The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Updated article from something stinks:
http://something-stinks.com/Chevaline%20Murders/MartinTheory.pdf
Sorry, if this has already been posted.
Morning Dopey.
The more I look at those stains the more I can see it’s impossible for them to have come from one body,even if I’m wrong,then it was a very very large body.
The only possible drag marks [ Tim mentions ] I can make out come from the passenger door direction,so we are back asking was Mollier dragged out of the car before being finished off on the ground in that bloodstained spot ?
The darker but lesser stain could easily be from the child, she fell there, or not as BM said from the front but was dragged from the side of the car.
I see no trace whatsoever in front of the car, of blood or movement.
The other thing is the window he said he smashed,take a look, there is only the centre missing, so did BM say he opened the car door before reaching in to switch off the engine, I don’t think he did,so tell me how a man could reach in through a small space like that & reach the ignition key……..is the key on the inner side or the door side on that model ? If the inner side his story is not plausible.
With what did he smash the glass ?
Katie, the key is on the door side.
@Mochyn69
1 Nov, 2012 – 2:43 am
From 2010, Hussein Askary says he from Iraq, arrived to Sweden 1994 ( lived in Norway before ):
“And you are the leader of the EAP in Sweden?
– Yes.
Where are you from?
– Iraq.
When did you get to Sweden?
– 16 years ago.
What have you done in Sweden?
– I have worked in politics and written a lot about the Middle East for international magazines Executive Intelligence Review.
– And I have also been a personal assistant and translator to be able to support myself.
What is this you have done in politics?
– I have committed myself in the LaRouche movement since 1994 when I lived in Norway.”
http://www.realtid.se/ArticlePages/201006/03/20100603185300_Realtid539/20100603185300_Realtid539.dbp.asp
It looks like he lives in Tullinge, which is very close to Tumba. 2 km from Suhaila.
Worked as “personal Assistant”, which could be a connection to Haydar, but of course just a speculation.
The funding of EAP is still a mystery. CIA, Russia have been mentioned. Another suggestion is that is sponsored by an OPEC-country, it´s even mentioned in a report made by the government from 2002, but dismissed in the report as unlikely and very vague.
The report also mentioned that the EAP in the eighties campaigned for a “Star Wars” defense.
Ok thanks Dopey.
Straw very interesting link there on the Martin Theory… He is the first to ask the question, ‘ why didn’t he simply unlock the door’ when talking about not wanting to check the women.
Going with that theory:
Likewise Zainab, did BM hope for her to die when he went for help , so as not able to identify him?
Has she been shown his photo I wonder ?
I agree with the final conclusion on Mossad etc..
Another statement of Zainab’s which has gone quiet, didn’t she say she didn’t know who the good / bad men were……or similar ?
Could Martin have broken the window just to check all were dead & put in extra shots ?
I still don’t go with lone nutter theory though, IF , BM is the killer, he was being paid to do it………also he’s been provided with cover by someone powerful.
@ Felix 1 Nov, 2012 – 4:32 am
“In the Claygate video, reporter Nicholas Bellet gets inside the house of George Aicolina, who is anxious to tell the viewers about the will dispute.”
Like Gary Aked was anxious to tell of SAH’s anti-Israeli views?
@ dopey 1 Nov, 2012 – 9:37 am
“With no blood anywhere else there seemed to be too much blood there and it outlined their entire body shapes, almost like when the police in movies outline a dead body shape on the floor with tape/chalk.”
“If there was enough blood to leave outlines there like that (in the spot BM may have moved them to), then there should have been surely even more blood wherever Mollier was found before he was moved.”
“The blood stains there just don’t make sense.”
I mentioned it before on MZT. The police used fluorescent red spray paint to mark evidence locations. That could be what’s showing on the aerial pics and mistaken for blood.
A pic, previously used in UK Daily Mail, but not discussed, “A mark left on the road at the murder scene near Chevaline in the French Alps Credit: Chris Ison/PA Wire.” http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/89020 article_f37fb4deb1094acc_1347177670_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg
I’m guessing the photographer mistook the spray painted 5000 as the evidence, which is really the piece of a cartridge?? near marker 5. What is the freshly painted number – distance from a reference point? The assassins would not take time to paint a clue on the road. Or is there a gang – the 5000 – in the area that tag their deeds?
NR, how could anyone ever mistake that bright red paint for old blood. By the time photos were taken it was hours after the event & blood would not be bright red ?
Thomas, kathy, mochin, sorensen
Askary, to my latest knowledge, lives in Sumarhamar. Thats a bit more than an hour from tumba. He has a bored teenage sun who is searching for girlfriends on the internet snd who was too talkative about his whereabouts.
I have an excel file with most nsmes and addresses of most swedish EAP members. Askarys address however was laft blank. Anybody interested into that file? I cant do very much with the swedish names.
Politics: EAP is “socialist” but it is in fact “national socialist” . That ranks on the opposite side of the political spectrum. The NAZIs did also insist that they were a socialist party. Yes they were and they had particularly support from working classes and poor people. However, national socialist is the opposite political spectrum of communist socialist. Dont mix that up. American intelligence did support and fund Hitler, too. They only stopped and reversed their policy in 1941.
@ Katie 1 Nov, 2012 – 11:05 am
“NR, how could anyone ever mistake that bright red paint for old blood. By the time photos were taken it was hours after the event & blood would not be bright red ?”
Good point about blood not being bright red at the time aerial pics were taken. However, as I understand it, the “pools” of blood are seen only when the pics are filtered, like the filtered magenta pic. If the filter is making old blood visible as “magneta” it might well do the same to clusters of florescent red paint marks. Don’t know if cameras even reproduce florescent colors correctly or distort them.
Mochyn69
1 Nov, 2012 – 3:52 am
Great that you managed to dig up that Solidarité et progrès committee list especially as I get the impression that they are quite secretive.
It seem more than just coincidence that, not only Sylvain and his father are on the committee list but also Frederique Brun. They must have been quite active in the organization (spelt it that way just to annoy Kenneth!)to be on the committee too.
Thomas, do we know how old askary is? I remeber that i saw an Askary mentioned in one of the diplomat documents regarding hashim al hilli. Perhaps in the immigration papers i saw this name next to his name as a diplomat. Could have been his father. Now that we know that he is from iraq, the searching gets easier. There were too many askarys to search for, most of them with pakistani origin. But iraq is a good hint.
I always said that mollier was a CIA agent at areva. I posted links from the past that stated that CIA had agents at areva because the usa used areva for nuclear trade with libya and iran. The usa were politically unable to trade with libya and iran directly in regards to nuclear items. With areva they could do that, using the french through their own CIA agents for their own purpose.
Kathy frederc brun vs frederique brun
Male vs girl name.
I was confused the first time i saw this, too, and made an error.
NR.
I too have done some manipulation of the photo colours, admittedly I don’t have the sophisticated tools the police have, but no matter how I try I cannot find any similarity with blood & paint. The blood stains stay dark & brown the paint stays vivid red even when the back ground fades.
Blood has a density which paint lacks.
There will be blood spots, but nothing like are looking at that photo.
@bluebird
1 Nov, 2012 – 11:19 am
Many of their policies are appealing on the surface at least like their anti-globalism and anti-war stance. You could see how some people might be duped by them but they definitely seem to have a more sinister agenda.
@ Bluebird
“Thomas, do we know how old askary is?”
Judging by his photos, I would guess in his early 40’s.
@Bluebird
1 Nov, 2012 – 11:19 am
I think Askary lives in Tullinge/Botkyrka. It´s only two person corresponding to his name in the national register, one is 43 living in Tullinge, the other is too young.
In the local election 2006, Askary was the first name in constituency “Botkyrka”.
“Valkrets: Botkyrka Södra”
“VAL TILL KOMMUNFULLMÄKTIGE
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP
Du får bara markera en av dessa anmälda kandidater.
Hussein Askary, översättare, personlig assistent
Stephen Brawer, lärare
Ulf Sandmark, civilekonom”
http://www.val.se/tidigare_val/val2006/valsedlar/012701K.html
So I´m almost sure he lives in Tullinge, the adress is just 2 km from Suhailas apartment.
Askary: When being 40 ( would fit with the age of his teenage son) then he is the same generation like saad and it was (supposingly) his father who was written in connection with hashim hilli as a diplomat. I will check.
Edit for the gobbledegook. Should read….. ” Nothing like what we are looking at in that photo.”
@Straw
what’s the new bike route – can you reference? Thanks
Thomas
You seem to be from sweden and know a lot about sweden.
Check google for
Alkandur_R
You will find an excel file with hundreds of names and addresses. Some if not all from la rouche movement. Maybe you could use that list.
Thomas
Could that be askari’s grandfather?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jafar_al-Askari
Faisal askari is his father
http://www.hitta.se/faisal+askary/norsborg/person/~xWs5UJ7eu?vad=fisal
If the first one was his grandfather, the CIA connections would be evident.
I knew that i already read this name in connection with iraqi diplomats.
Also 2010 Askary was listed at the municipal elections to “Botkyrka”:
http://www.val.se/val/val2010/slutresultat/K/valdistrikt/01/27/0136/personroster.html#idEAP
If he also lives in Surahammar it might be a summerhouse, or the population registration in Tullinge/Botkyrka is just fake.
But most likely he is living in Tullinge.
To find out if there is an Askary connected to Hashim al-Hilli would be interesting.
And the suggestion that EAP is sponsored by an Arab-country seems for me a little bit more likely today, than it was 2002, as the leader today is from Iraq.
@Thomas
1 Nov, 2012 – 10:20 am
Brilliant! Thanks for that. So now we have a very vocal Iraqi running a militant, anti-semitic, anti-British, anti big finance, pro nuclear, pro ‘developing’ nations, conspiratorial political organisation in Sweden, in very close proximity to mother-in law’s neighbourhood, with very firm views on the current geopolitical situation.
And we have SM being a public supporter of the same organisation in France.
This is far too big a coincidence to ignore, especially as said organisation is undoubtedly a CIA front.
@Katie
1 Nov, 2012 – 7:51
My special thanks for the links to the Schiller Institute and Hussein Askary. Please some more of you do the research, read the links and say what you think.
Also, the Pajero and Frédérique Brun / Frédérik Brun
@Bluebird
1 Nov, 2012 – 11:48 am
Also, the Pajero and Frédérique Brun / Frédérik Brun. Isn’t that also too much of a coincidence? Why are you so sure you made a mistake? It could be a typo, or a joke.
Keep digging!
More complete info of the swedish EAP-leader:
First namn: Hussein Faisal Abdullah
Family name: Askary
Born 1968-12-23
Adress: Flottbrovägen 30 lgh 1101, Tullinge
@Kathy
1 Nov, 2012 – 11:38 am
Agreed, especially if you happen to be a bit radical and disaffected .. but what if it’s not what it seems?
re Frederic Brun
http://www.libramemoria.com/fr/carnet/ugine/savoie/frederic-brun-da3f9c55c47040baaf8d0d2182a6770a.html
Thomas
I will definitely check the askari-hashim connection. I must link hussein faisal al-askari (he deleted the “al”in sweden due to the facts i had listed several times before). I guess that jafar pasha al askari must have been his grandgrandfather. Jaffar pasha askari was killed in 1936 by arab nationalists. Coincidence that al-majid, father of saddam also disappeared or was killed in 1936? Was he a government member right next to askari? We need to study iraqi pre WW2 history documents.
I guess that the al-hilli/al-majid families as well as the al-askari family had strong ties to iraqi government even in the Ottoman times of WW1.
Here are a few names of iraqi history
http://www.info-regenten.de/regent/regent-d/iraq.htm
@ Mochyn69
1 Nov, 2012 – 12:33 pm
Yes, look what happened to this poor young student who no doubt was taken in by them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jeremiah_Duggan
Do we know if the father of Claire Schutz has any connection to LaRouche, or some other political movement? He is said to be the one that suggested the route for Mollier.
( By the way, I think most know that EAP early was a main track in the investigation of the Palme murder. The 33-year-old who was first arrested had links to the EAP. But he was released, and there was no evidence as far I know that EAP was involved – but they where extremely anti-Palme at that time.
I would not consider it as a fact that EAP/LaRouche are sponsored by CIA, there are probably other possible alternatives ).