The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@NR: How about that incredibly expensive plane?
Thanks BB great work as usual
@ Thomas:
those are the candidates/party leaders for the EAP in Sweden. Apperently not all of them are from the Swedish LaRouche movement.
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 1 Hussein Askary 41 M partiledare, larouche.se
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 2 Ulf Sandmark 62 M civilekonom
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 3 Michael Goj 28 M LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 4 Andreas Persson 30 M LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 5 Albert Modin 28 M LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 6 Sergej Strid 31 M LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 7 Elias Dottemar 28 M LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 8 Petra Karlsson 36 K LaRouches ungdomsrörelse
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 9 Camilo Gonzalez 29 M student
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 10 Stephen Brawer 59 M taxichaufför
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 11 Kjell Lundqvist 67 M undersköterska
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 12 Astrid Sandmark 59 K redaktör
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 13 Lotta-Stina Thronell 57 K redaktör
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 14 Per Henriksson 35 M student
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 15 Erol Curmak 71 M ingenjör
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 16 Peter Friberg 57 M boktryckare
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 17 Rolf Andersson 73 M lantbrukare
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 18 Gustaf Modig 37 M leg. apotekare
Europeiska Arbetarpartiet-EAP Skickad 3785 19 Patrik Jager 23 M svetsarlärling
Kenneth Sorensen 2 Nov, 2012 – 5:48 am If I get you right Kenneth I think yo have totally mislocated the crime scene. As far as I am aware it is NOT the upper hair pin on your map but about 75 yards or thereabouts due north of the lower hair pin bend. In other words any assailant had the option, if suitably equipped to return down the Combe d-Ire or go up hill in the opposite direction, around the left hand corner and then take first on the left which is the parallel route back to Chevaline. This presumably would apply to any cyclist doing a circular route, though not I would guess on either an expensive or road bike.
@Bluebird
super work, too much to take in. You mentioned Fadhil in Montreal – did you spot an H. Al-Hill in the mid 90s at 8740 Rue Viau in Montreal?
The Sun newspaper said that Mollier lived with his two sons (where are they now?) in a “semi-detached house”. My money is on French TV who went to the Cezus plant the next day as well as staking our the house.
Regarding the Frech LaRouche party:
Jacques Cheminade.
I was excited by the first sentence:
“Cheminade met Lyndon LaRouche in early 1974 in New York, where he was a commercial attaché to the French embassy (at the United Nations) from 1972 to 1977”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Cheminade
Hashim al Hilli was for more than 10 years Iraq’s ambassador in New York at the United Nations. Coincidence or did Hashim al Hilli, who was trained by American intelligence from 1938-1941 in Ann Arvour air field, also meet Lyndon La Rouche as an ambassador at the United Nations? Lyndon La Rouche (or his agency) must have very actively talked to many ambassadors at the United Nations.
I am sure that an Iraqi Nationalist, like it was Hashim al Hilli, must have really loved the “Lyndon La Rouche ideas”!
@Blue
One of Xanthi’s sons’ second name is Basil. (there is also a Basil al-Hilli and family in the Wirral area who, I guess, are Christians)
On second thoughts, the white house is semi-detached, with two garages and I image two entrances. Perhaps the other entrance is in the side street which isn’t on google street. The house is oddly devoid of any life as the Sun says. Not the sort of place where there might be a family.
@felix
I didn’t spot that. Perhaps I didn’t take notice because I live under the impression that Hashim died in 1983. Somewhere I read that but I can’t find a key to find that again. Also I can remember that obviously wrong name having seen womewhere, but I can’t find it again now.
Another question: Do you know the name (I mean the surname) of Saad’s mother? That is the only name I am missing. I know the name of Hashim’s wife but I don’t know the surname of Kadhim’s wife. I want to construct the family link from the other side, too. Those socially high ranked people like the al Hilli family had to marry women from socially high ranked families. They were proposed and dealed with marraiges often right after birth.
felix
That isn’t a house where such a rich family would enjoy to stay. That’s even too shabbily and too small for myself. I wouldn’t stay there unless I would get paid a lot of money for staying there.
@Blue
Only the father would be on the marriage cert…
Re the Mollier house, I notice that the google car has been down the narrow side street, but the footage has been withheld. Another clue perhaps to something fishy? The other half, no 55 doesn’t figure on the web.
Felix
“there is also a Basil al-Hilli and family in the Wirral area who, I guess, are Christians”
What makes you think they are Christians? I doubt that Christians would have al Hilli surname. The name Basil is also used by Muslims.
News from Hyderabad:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/science/akash-missile-project-director-dead/article4051409.ece
Last year’s news:
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/hyderabad/agni-missile-expert%E2%80%99s-son-kidnapped-murdered-257
Background on missile project in Hyderabad:
http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/tars-role-in-agni-5-launches/1/24238.html
France’s involvement in Indian missile projects:
http://bdl.ap.nic.in/aboutbdl.htm
Kathy,
please read Iraqi history, then you won’t doubt it. I gave you a great link yesterday, perhaps this was too much to read, I’m sorry for that. Today I’ll give you a shorter essay that you could read more quickly. However, it really hurts when you are submitting denying statements that are that far off from Iraqi reality and history.
The key year both for Christians and for Jews in Iraq was 1932. Between 1932 and 1942 they suffered in a civil war between Nationalist and Panarabic parties. The Nationalists supported the British while the Panarabic parties hated the British. Christians and Jews supported the British. Saddam was a safety guarantee for Christian Iraqis. The famous Iraqi foreign minister Tareq Aziz was a Christian.
“When Iraq became independent in 1932, the Iraqi military carried out large-scale massacres of Assyrians in retaliation for their collaboration with Britain, the former colonial power. Villages were destroyed, and churches and monasteries torn down.”
“Under this regime, the predominantly Assyrian Christians were pressured to identify as Arabs.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iraq
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11669994
So then, nobody knows the surname of Saad’s mother? That’s a pity.
Bluebird still at it !!!
I posted on Chaldean Christians yesterday saying the MrX is one.
You asked who Saad’d mother was, Fahida or something like. & Zaids wife was Geraldine.
Do we have this person partly educated at a college in Ireland…….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariam_Mohamed_Hadi_Al_Hilli
@ Bluebird
I don’t know exactly what you are referring to that I doubt.
@ Bluebird
“When Iraq became independent in 1932, the Iraqi military carried out large-scale massacres of Assyrians in retaliation for their collaboration with Britain, the former colonial power. Villages were destroyed, and churches and monasteries torn down.”
The Chaldean and other Christians were not included in this.
Not only significance of “Chevaline” “Mochyn69 2 Nov, 2012 – 12:46 pm” but “Combe d’Ire” as well. “Ire” a French word that crossed the channel probably with William, meaning “a strong emotion; a feeling that is oriented toward some real or supposed grievance” and “suggests greater intensity than anger, rage suggests loss of self-control, and fury is destructive rage verging on madness.” Both Iran and Iraq begin with sobriquet and are “close words”. Sorry to repeat the point I made before but it might be worth making. Too great a co-incidence to be chance I’m thinking. The significance of it in my mind, is this: Whoever chose the location already had the end in mind and wanted to make an extreme and very public point. From this I deduce that this meeting location was arranged by the killers (or at least their controllers) NOT the victims. It might be a step too far but it is a logical extension of the concept. It has an Old Testament or Koranic “vengeance is mine” feel to it. Sunni or Israeli – you choose. As to motive either THREAT or BETRAYAL respectively, namely the threat of technical information getting to the enemy or just deserts for past wrongs, for which the Al Hilli’s being American/CIA assets could be sufficient cause, though aiding Iran to rump Sunni interests could be another. Now to take just one more logical step – if the meeting WAS arranged by the killers how might this have worked? It is unlikely, based on their activities and memberships, that either Mollier or Al Hilli would be agents of either Sunni or Jewish interests. The most likely is that either or both were dealing with contacts who purported to represent most likely Iranian ones anxious to obtain technical information on both satellite and metal technology. Why both in the same place same time? In exchange for money to both parties perhaps?
Katie,
I know her first name. However, that doesn’t help a lot. We need to know her surname. Does anyone know? That is an important missing link.
kathy
ALL Christians and Jews were suggested to adopt Arab names. Oufi became “al Oufi”. An original(!!) Arab tribe name regarding the city of Hilla would be “al Hillawi”.
However, Al Hilli is a constructed name and demonstrates that this name was adopted at some time in the past, but this is NO traditional Arab tribe name. It isn’t a traditional Arab name at all. Neither is “al Majid” a traditional Arab name but this is just an adopted/constructed name coming from an Arab word. The same is true for Ibrahim (al Ibrahim). That name sounds to be of Jewish origin to me.
Sorry BB, I thought it was odd you asking that.
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Kathy, the children of al Balsham Hilli Xanthis are a different thing. She married a Greek industrial, George Xanthis. He is Eastern-Christian like most Greek are Eastern-Christian as well as the Chrstian Iraqis and Assyrians are Eastern-Christian. That’s ironically the same Religion that most Greeks have adopted.
It was Felix who told us that Basil is Eastern.Christian. This could be because
1) George Xanthis is Greek and Eastern-Christian
2) George Xanthis is Greek and Eastern-Christian .AND. Balsham al Hilli might be Eastern-Christian, too. However, we don’t know this, but there is a possibility since a marriage between a traditional Shia women and a Christian guy are pretty rare.
bluebird
2 Nov, 2012 – 6:52 pm
I was talking about the Assyrian massacre really. About the names, while it’s true that many Christians now have Arabic personal names due to pressure to conform, generally speaking their family name is not and most of them will not have the al prefix.
Bluebird
Basil is also a Muslim name.
You refer to “William the Conqueror”? Okay, I get it:
“William’s final years were marked by difficulties in his continental domains, troubles with his eldest son, and threatened invasions of England by the Danes. In 1086 William ordered the compilation of the Domesday Book, a survey listing all the landholders in England along with their holdings. William died in September 1087 while leading a campaign in northern France, and was buried in Caen. His reign in England was marked by the construction of castles, the settling of a new Norman nobility on the land, and change in the composition of the English clergy. He did not try to integrate his various domains into one empire, but instead continued to administer each part separately. William’s lands were divided after his death: Normandy went to his eldest son, Robert, and his second surviving son, William, received England.”
From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror
It does have a certain ring, and a certain common name.
Felix,
using Google street view I went down the side road by the house and yes it does jump to the junction at the other end. Maybe because of the narrowness of part of the road wouldnt leave anything to show once the camera vehicle is removed.
The spectacular view from the house does make up for the house itself somewhat.
Q
2 Nov, 2012 – 7:43 pm Will the Conq was not really very important point tho as it happens he was actually a Viking (i.e. Nordic in origin). It’s just that after 1066 French became the Court Lingua and “Ire” is old English. My main point of course was this was the “Valley of Ire” – rage or revenge even.
Kathy
I dont want to waste my time with useless rantings.
Basil is an ancient Greek name and comes from Basileaus. No surprise that a Greek father giving his son a Greek name.
For instance, Frederick Oufi has a German name. Frederick is often used in Arab Christian communities because of Friedrich II.
Frederick Oufi is in Arab books Frederick Kamel al Oufi.
The “al” is still there. You do that in Europe,too. Eg Otto Habsburg was in reality “Otto von Habsburg”. In Arab “Otto al Habsburg”. However, in Austria he was not allowed by law to use the “von”.
“al” does not change your name. It has nothing to do with the name except for making that name something special.
Now lets continue with the important things.
What is the surname of Saad’s mother?
Was Frederic Brun witness at the scene as a partner of SM?
Were there perhaps holes in the glass of the 4×4 that had to be hidden by pushing it from the mountain road?
Were the killings that Mohammad Merah did, Larouche related? Jewish girls shot? Not al Qaida like things.
Were the German neoNAZI killings of the 7 Kurds related? (Bönhart, etc).
Was the Palme assassination Larouche related?
Respect to BB for your research method and amazing discoveries. When will we see the papers take them up I wonder? If they don’t, further confirmation you hit the bull!