The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Marlin and Tim Those are interesting perspectives. The one with reference to leaving calling cards or inside jokes to project peoples, not just criminals, leaving things arranged or even personal objects on a movie set shoot are quite common. Example Carol Rice used esoteric, the stars..intuition.. here we use cold facts and logic, and sometimes something in between. Things maybe right under our nose. It never looks that way until it is suggested then it is clear.
I wont discuss..but perhaps you will see at least irony..
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Figure 6. Schematic of a weak-focusing electron or proton synchrotron: (1) injector, (2) injection system, (3) vacuum chamber, (4) electromagnet sector, (5) straight section, (6) accelerating device. The magnetic field is perpendicular to the plane of the figure.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Particle+Accelerator
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so above so below..The Gods are laughing..somewhere yes? no? The message was clear to whoever got it or sent it.
🙂
Your bb code not applicable here my bad
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00333/112636811_fr_333658d.jpg
Figure 6. Schematic of a weak-focusing electron or proton synchrotron: (1) injector, (2) injection system, (3) vacuum chamber, (4) electromagnet sector, (5) straight section, (6) accelerating device. The magnetic field is perpendicular to the plane of the figure.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Particle+Accelerator
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Felix,
Thanks for the John Sopel interview.
There is also a BBC interview on about Sept 6 with a weapons expert who said it is a ‘Professional hit’ because the gunman didnt shoot at the windscreen and only a professional would know that windscreens are far stronger and more likely to deflect bullets than a layman would think. From memory the expert was Manchester based and an ex-policeman and it was probably on BBC Breakfast (I believed the BBC then and watched it) The timing of this interview really surprised me so soon after the shootings and no mention of windscreen until then. The expert was so forceful in getting this point across which didnt need to be made (I thought).
Mollier family speak out for the first time:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html
Suddenly everyone wants to talk about the faceless Sylvain who has lived his entire life in Ugine suggesting he cant possibly be the hunter.
Why didnt the family speak out saying he was only a welder when the press reported otherwise 6 weeks ago???
The whole article seems to be ‘nothing to see here, move along please’
Were Saad and Sylvain ski buddies??
Look at these dates & remember Kadhim left Iraq in 1970 when he fell out with the Baathists,he was in the government if not the party….. so he ‘knew’ what was going on.
“Nadhmi Shakir Auchi was born in Baghdad on 11 June 1937. As a student he was involved in the campaign which culminated in the uprising of 1958 against British rule. After the Baathist coup in 1963, Auchi came into the open as a supporter of the pan-Arab party and built a career in the procurement department of the Iraqi Oil Ministry. Over a decade he built up a vast network of contacts within Europe and the Far East. In the mid-1970s this allowed him to set up his own business, working as an intermediary for Western companies wanting a piece of Iraq’s lucrative oil action.
There are claims that a brother, a cousin, or two brothers of Auchi were killed by Saddam. This story is difficult to pin down but may refer to Saddam’s final 1979 coup which was accompanied with the videotaped purge and execution of 66 top Baathists in order to ensure the loyalty of the remainder. Auchi left Iraq about 1979.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11519
Bluebird.
Not sure about your claim ‘it was Saddams money’ I think a lot of it was through kickbacks & bribes….so ill gotten gains ?
Fascinating video here, it brings to life what we are discussing & does anyone recognise the other men ?
I can’t understand a word of it, but two things strike me, one how sinister the time in Saddams early years was & the other how westernised he was in his dress…….always wearing the tie !
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBF8EKt-zc
Interesting Strawberry….First Saad smeared by his friend Akad as a undergoing a drastic change as a Jihadist..then that is dropped..People think he had turned all of a sudden against west. Not one proof anywhere in arab forums where anyone can pass and read.. to demonstrate that to public..That he replaced daughters picture with a bearded man,..only face book knows that..but Akad does not say who..that goes away..people say maybe he deserved it..then Sylvain is smeared as having affairs with other women..while with this one..cherche la femme?.there is none to be found….he fall in love..with younger woman..his boys are with him..that should say something special about Sylvain when most go with their mamas..He took parental leave to be with kids and wife..was hunter and cyclist..clearly to me..this was not a philanderer with idle time with jealous husbands getting together and killing him and bystanders..The police have not found motive but instead give reasons about bad character nowhere in evidence..but treated like almost fact..almost not good..that….they deserve to die .the assassinated again and already dead…because its their own fault and maybe God look down and punish them..please..I would rather they give us the gun and badge and helicopter..and let us look..
Why am I writing now?…because my home forum ufocasebook.com is now down..coincidence..of course..may be on in am…I am going to sleep…
goodnite
Straw.
Saad & Mollier had much in common,work,cycling ,skiing, France , as I said on the last thread,Annecy hosts a cycling competition around the lake each year & are bidding for the winter olympics 2018 [? I think it is ] it is perfectly feasible they either knew each other or were about to be introduced…….but the meeting was set up by someone who double crossed them to be rid of AH, this would make Mollier ‘collateral damage’.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/109094155/Maurice-Strong-Canada-and-the-Re-colonization-of-Africa
Maurice Strong had business relations with Scott Spangler, a George Bush appointee to the USAID Africa desk, and both of them, with Adnan Khashoggi, through the Arizona-Colorado Land and Cattle Company (AZL).
Now that I have Khashoggi hooked up to Maurice Strong and George Bush, that brings in Mrs. Kashoggi, a big-time Scientologist who lived at their center in Clearwater, Florida, and, of course, her nephew Dodi al Fayed and Princess Diana and, incidentally, O.J. Simpson who shared Dodi’s coke, US$1,000 per day – not all for Dodi & O.J., they partied with Kato and friends I hope.
Khashoggi’s daughter Nabila, his former wife Lamia Khashoggi (formerly Laura Biancolini) and Ali Khashoggi are high level members of the Church of Scientology. Khashoggi was implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal as a key middleman in the arms-for-hostages exchange along with Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar during the administration of US President Ronald Reagan.
In 1982, Pierre-Elliott Trudeau* appointed Maurice Strong vice-chairman of Canada Development Corporation (CDC). CDC held the crown interest in a number of corporations.
@ Q * Pierre hooks back to the Devastingly etc. Dude via the statement of Viktorin, Moscow.
Concordia University massacre: On August 24, 1992, Valery Fabrikant, a Mechanical Engineering professor, shot five colleagues on the ninth floor of the Hall Building, accusing them of stealing credit for his research work.
Is it possible the Chevaline massacre was over something so petty?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/what-really-happened-in-iraq.html?m=1
“Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of “Unholy Babylon,” said that Saddam’s CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist
working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence.”
Also a claim that Saddam was extracted by the CIA to Belarus and one of his doubles was executed or the execution was faked.
@ Sys 4 Nov, 2012 – 7:51 am
@Marlin and Tim: “Those are interesting perspectives. The one with reference to leaving calling cards or inside jokes to project peoples, not just criminals, leaving things arranged or even personal objects on a movie set shoot are quite common.”
In the Gareth Williams case it was reported cell phone cards or electronics were arranged on a table in a certain pattern that might be significant. I put it down to a common habit of tech people, arranging items in geometric patterns for no reason, but who knows, it might have been a calling card from someone.
Re: The Telegraph piece on the Mollier family. Sylvain is downgraded once again to an unimportant welder, while SAH is now upgraded from a mechanical designer of AirBus kitchens to a full-on Satellite Engineer.
SM ex wife is a coiffeur in Ugine? BINGO.
Coiffeur Cathy is in the house that belongs to Frederic Brun. His beauty saloon is opposite. There are 6 coiffeurs in Ugine. One of those, coiffeur cathy, was in the house of Frederick Brun!
Chance: 1:5
I always suggested that the death of Frederick Brun in the 4×4 green pajero was related. Now we got a 1:5 chance that SM ex wife worked in the business of Brun!
http://www.koifaire.com/rhone-alpes/cathy,coiffure-69561.html
@Bluebird
In that French video which showed the house, the cameras went into a Hairdressing salon and there was a woman with brown hair…need to check it again. I couldn’t understand what it was about. Can you? Link a couple of pages back I think.
@Bluebir Here’s the hairdresser again for the record. She looks a bit coy.
http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-en-haute-savoie-qui-est-le-cycliste-abattu-7508374.html
and doesn’t want to talk from her expression.
BTW has anyone a link to the Sky news interview with the former Police office Kevin Hurley in Claygate – I’ve lost the link, and forgot to put it here.
Thanks.
Felix there is streetview in google maps of this place. Compare it.
Brun beauty was exactly opposite on # 12. You can see both houses in streetview.
I dont know if this is related, but
BRUN detectives and investigation office Haute Savoye! Run by a relative of Frederic? I dont know. Lets find out.
http://www.detective-brun.com/detective/73/detective_ugine.htm
Here Felix. with the expired caveat shown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssb1yAE6_hw
Haha, Bluebird, I wonder if Brun was following Mollier for the jealous wife & now she’s living with him ?
If that is not the 4×4 owner of course.
Katie
Read the “about us” on the Brun detective office website.
We have special detectives for investigating in …. “international investigation, political corruption and business corruption investigation”.
Felix
Hend L Sarkies june 1958? According to the michigan document sje was a foetus at that time. She wss born according to michigan immigration on aug 19 1958 while her relative natheir was born exactly 5 days earlier. Very strange. My guess is tgat their documents are falsificated.
And why did eastern christian Natheir Auchi live one year in an orthodox radical jewish community in detroit with views to the orthodox torah school together with the orthodox jewish teachers and rabbis? I have no sane answer other than a mossad agent used those falsificated documents in order to pretend that he were auchi. Just like the saddam doubles.
Felix
Thanks for the great auchi links. 2 comments.
1. The address of Hind in west Bloomfield was also the address of Natheir after 1987. In 1987 he lived in the orthodox jewish detroit community sharing a house with rabbies and jewish teachers.
2. Miqdadi married Auchis daughter in Surrey.I mean, the real daughter of the real Auchi. Not the daughter of his double …
Yes spotted the ‘International’ Bluebird. This looks like a national set up.
I wondered about the investigation ‘travail clandestin, sabotage,’everything we want to find out is withn their remit !
So……if it is the same Brun,found dead in the forest, he ‘must’ have known the killer & that’s why he was killed…. or in fact ‘was’ the killer & the top man could not have him talking.
I suggest the police check his bank account for a recent & unusually large payment.
In addition to his detective work did he have a sideline of assassin ?
Could he have known BM ?
In the video that Felix linked to just now, when the hairdresser is shown, the voice over says [what I can make out to be] ” c’est la compris l’ancien” and Google translate say this means “It is understood [to be] the former” , i.e. his former wife. But it is a bit odd that she smiles, because I think normally an ex-wife would be shocked.
But this could of course be due to nervousness and willingness to make a good impression, or we don’t know in which context the footage was made, but nevertheless it is odd that a former relation to him should smile, when all other in that video are shocked
Kenneth Sorensen
I wonder why Mollier had custody of the children if indeed that is the case since normally the mother would be preferred.
Kenneth maybe she was even sneakily pleased if it was an acrimonious divorce. I wish I could open those TFI WAT clips, youtube is no problem but they are.
Re: Detective Privé…..it’s usually ex-police or Services that open them in civvie street.
Bluebird, Sherlock gave this link on 1 November to a <em<page of Condolence for Fréderic Brun, where he indeed runs a business with compagnion Daniel David, which very much is a Jewish name by the looks of it.
Katie, I think I remember to have heard that you use IE, which in many ways are very odd and oldfashioned and use a lot of memory.
You could just download Firefox, Chrome or Opera, and you will be pleasantly surprised how much faster they are. Its handy to have several browsers [And you can have as many as you like, nothing can go wrong if you have several browsers]. Firefox will handle these videos like a snap, and I must say they are very high quality videos.