The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
felix,
I found Joyce Mollier, a young composer. He is the composer of the music of most of the Maxime Ginolin videos.
What is interesting about is the matter of fact that Joyce Mollier composed a video called
“The World Trade Center Trailer”.
However, that video was removed from everywhere “by the user”. This video is no longer on the internet. Nowhere.
I read the bio of Joyce Mollier. He lives in Annemasse today. That is approx. 1 hour from Ugine, very close to Geneve. In his biography it says:
Joyce Mollier est pianiste auteur-compositeur et interprète, né le 25 Août 1985, issu d’une famille sportive.
I am sure that Joyce is no brother and perhaps no cousin of Sylvain, but he might be somehow related to the family and of course he knows Maxime Ginolin since they work together in music and video creation.
http://www.joycemollier.com/#!bio
I also found a picture of a Sylvain Mollier, but I strongly DOUBT that this is the right guy. It says that he worked somewhere else but not at Cezus. Also the guy on that photo looks pretty young.
https://plus.google.com/108260155236635062311#108260155236635062311/posts
The more I watch the other videos of Maxime Ginolin, the more I understand Saad al Hilli and what was said about him. And the more I am sure that Saad al Hilli and Sylvain Mollier did fight on the SAME SIDE against the banks, the capital and the lies in this world! 100%! In my opinion, they were both heroes who lost their lives because they were fighting for freedom. Trust a little bird!
@NR: The world is very small. The players all seem to be connected:
http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/bush_gang.html
Package sent, allegedly by dude, to private school connects back to Mr. T.’s son.
Just noted a web discussion about Allawi and Dr Kelly. NB Post #2 by Jack Napier.
http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/274423-curious-case-dr-david-kelly.html
FUnny thing is, Norman Baker, who wrote a book about Kelly said pointed the finger at Iraq, yet was laughted out of court.
One of those to point the finger away was Andrew Gilligan who had met Kelly and been in Iraq, writing in the Telegraph “nothing to see here”:
The idea that Chalabi or Allawi, fighting far more urgent battles in postwar Baghdad, would have bothered about a British political row is just silly. In any case, neither man can run a bath, let alone a sophisticated hit in a foreign country. Why do it in such a complicated, melodramatic way – the knife from the desk drawer drawn across the wrist, the 29 pills stuffed down his throat? And could they really have managed to rope in the entire British state – pathologists, police forces and the rest – to their grand design? Even as I type, it is clearly beyond preposterous.
{http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/7947544/David-Kelly-was-not-murdered.html}
@Bluebird
Finally got round to having a look at Cathy Coiffure.. even from a distance, it looked just like it, wooden interior, sunny aspect, front and rear doors on correct side. Must be it.
Have posted a screen shot at Icke. Have a butcher’s….
@Katie
Correction – no, the Hurley video I wanted was in English – pehaps at a Sun newspaper page, or Youtube. (Sky footage, perhaps with Martin Brunt) It was all in English, over 3 mins long, no French voice over, naturally) I have searched likely tage, but to no avail.
Sorry for earlier optimism, was busy all day.
@Katie
Need time to do autotranslates of the comments on that Al-Arabiyah Saddam video (complete with stand-in double at the end). One comment in English stands out – the guy in the audience..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHBF8EKt-zc
Let me restate that: At 3:44 we see the world’s biggest brown-noser.
He might be feeling a bit insecure for his life.
SaintForeverBlue 1 year ago
at 3:44 we the the world’s biggest brown noser.
The guy at 4.07 Dr someone, ought to be recognisable.
Gosh, Felix, thanks for that !
I hadn’t noticed at all before you said it, the guy lurking in the background, (Is he holding a phone up to his ear?).
He could well be the reason why she appears so overexcited, when in fact the normal reaction would be shock , like the rest of the village. He told her:” Now go out and put a brave face on”,- but in the hurry he forgot to tell her that it better be a believable face, i.e a sorrow face.”
Just for the record, the eponymous Hairdresser doorstepped by French TV is called Catherine OUVRIER-BUFFET nee Bianco
http://www.ugine.com/UserFiles/Brochure/broch_29_guide_accueil_heberg_2012.pdf
The phone book gives a Stéphane Comte there, with a mobile number.
WRT the entry here,
{http://serveurcoopere.monwebpro.com/upload/plaquette.pdf} I don’t see any connection with Mollier unless his wife no 1 worked there.
{http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/membre/5886928/1320796688/cathy_ouvrier_buffet_bianco/}
See also here, Kenneth which shows that this is indeed the Coiffeuse visited by French TV.
We need a French speaker — like Oliphant or the Canadian Q — to confirm that the voice over in video says:[what I can make out to be] ”c’est la compris l’ancien”, which Google Translate suggests means: “It is understood [to be] the former”, i.e. his former wife/girlfriend.
@Felix
She is born Bianco, but called Catherine OUVRIER-BUFFET now. She could well be his former wife/girlfriend.
Enlargened image of Pajero
Felix
http://www.bilansgratuits.fr/MOLLIER%C2%A0OUVRIER-BUFFET-MIREILLE–41098590700014.htm
His ex-wife?
What kind of company is that?
Mollier Ouvrier Buffet Mireille is an elder woman. However, she is definitely connected with the Mollier family and she and her husband are activists in the local Larouche movement. Apperently they organised a “Solidarite Palestine” meeting in Ugine.
Katherine Ouvrier Buffet is definitely connected to the Mollier family. Therefore it is not unlikely that she gives his ex wife a job.
Lurking man behind Ms. OUVRIER-BUFFET enlargened .
I thought at first he was cramming a mobile phone, but after I’ve enlargened it, is seems like he is biting his nails.
Remember Mr. Brun was very much alive at that time, and Bluebird says he lived in the same house (No. 5). So…could it be him?
Remember he would have no idea that half a second videoshot, months later would be poured over by some obcure websleuths and amateur detectives. And he himself thought he had done nothing wrong. His only misfortune was that he witnessed something that few EVER in their wildest dream will come across, and thanks God for that.
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Sorensen
The guy on your picture:
He is trying to hide his face as soon as he saw the camera. Thats not unusual, even then when you dont have to hide anything.
I am sure that most people in Ugine know much more than they tell us. After the death of Larouche’s Mollier and Brun there are many who are afraid of being the next ones.
I really want to know why Maxime Ginolin anx Joyce Mollier removed their video “The World Trade Center Trailer” from everywhere on the www. The internet is full of their US and Capitalist critical videos. Why did they remove that one? Afraid of something?
Sorensen
I posted a photo of frederic brun some time ago from a newspaper that mentioned his funeral. Perhapd you can try to compare them. hairstyle does fit.
Are you 100% sure that this video wss taken before Brun was killed?
Bluebird Now that I have you here — and lets just cointinue to converse so that the time this thread closes down is pushed out in the furure — will you confirm if Fréderic is Jewish? You said you’ve found out ages ago. Or what that his companion Mr. David you meant?
Bluebird Of course it was taken before. It was taken just in the days after the killings on September 5, when all people in Ugine were shocked
http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-en-haute-savoie-qui-est-le-cycliste-abattu-7508374.html
Date says 6th of September
Extraits
Durée : 1 min 23
Date : 6 septembre 2012
Auteur : TF1
Sorensen
Whether or not they were jewish does not bring us one foot further. I dont think that races or religions are the cause for wrongdoing but rather bad character.
Brun is a Jewish name. I posted a link in the days when wd discussed Brun’s accident. That link was a history of the Bruns settling in Ugine/Albertville and they were Jewish, many of them were later killed in Auschwitz.
David Daniel are two Jewish names at once, but I dont know anything about him.
Maxime Ginoline is a Jewish due to his biography.
Thank you – it is very interesting. [It could account for his teaming up with Mr. David. As I understand it they were business partners* – which begs the question: Which business?
*) Thats how I understand the word: Compagnon on the memorial page, that Sherlock provided. However there are — as you know — many with the name Brun (Brown) in France. Are you suggesting that Gordon Brown is also Jewish?
@Felix
5 Nov, 2012 – 6:10 am
Intersting, from the link you gave:
Cathy Coiffure
OUVRIER-BUFFET Catherine
5, av. Jules Bianco 33 (0)4 79 89 04 54
Coiff’2000
BIANCO Thérèse – 404, route d’Annecy 33 (0)4 79 37 24 09
Looks like the Bianco girls were both into hairdressering. There’s a M. BIANCO in the Solidarite et Progres support committee, as well of course,as Frederick BRUN.
Sorensen
Brun had this beauty business house opposite of coiffeur cathy. You can see #12 simply when you turn 180 degrees in google street view.
I posted a link where Brun had another beauty business in a village nearby. Perhaps his buddy daniel did manage the second one. You can find those links when you search either this blog or the previous one on this website for frederick brun. There is also the link confirming that he had an address in #5, too. There is also the link with his picture.
Now that we know that Brun and Molliers ex wife were working in the same place and that we know that both families were in the solidarote&progres movement ugine wonder why french police did not become suspicious about that “traffic accident” with a 4×4 pajero perhaps they know everything, but the killers are untouchables. This is lie and crime performed by the french interior ministry. They lie at gheir people and they obviously defend and hide the killing of their own french people. I must vomit. This world should better be made for the birds.
Hey guys, you’re getting carried away, that ‘man’ in the salon is a woman in an overall & covering her mouth…….as we all do when shocked, my guess is she is a member of staff.
If it indeed is Fréderic Brun in the video aired on 6th of September, one can understand how he much have felt after having witnesses this massacre the day before. In a way it is odd that he wished to show himself to the public, but on the other hand he might have had an inkling as to where a danger could come from, and he felt that the public was the place to be/ was his friend.
And compared to the dark forces on the other side, he was right: We , the public, are his friends, who are tyring to clear this up.
He died on the 30th of September.
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B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G : Screenshot of Fréderic Brun enlarged
Yes. MORELLA BIANCO THERESE is a coiffeur, too. I wonder whether or not it is coincidence that the Bianco sisters are working in AV. JULES BIANCO or perhaps that house is theirs, taken over by inheritence?
ATTENTION Here is Katie again [Having been called in to perform her duty as misinformer, in case we were on our way to get to bottom of things]
As anyone can witness for himself, THIS IS OF COURSE A MAN . Look at the sloppy way his shirt hang out over his trowsers. I bet he haven’t slept all night after what he had seen
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escape routes used by the killer(s).
B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G : Screenshot of Fréderic Brun enlarged