The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
You don’t like people who disagree with you do you, Kenneth……… I have never seen a man in a shirt which comes almost down to his knees !
It is an ‘overall’ which women wear, especially in Hairdressing salons when doing colouring.
Whoaaaaaa
Jules Bianco was one of the most important oil traders in France ……
His company even sued the European Community in 1985.
Bianco sisters?
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/Notice.do?mode=dbl&lang=fr&ihmlang=fr&lng1=fr,de&lng2=da,de,el,en,es,fi,fr,it,nl,pt,sv,&val=142044:cs&page=
No, its a man if ever i saw one. Look at his very strong underarm. And if it was a coiffure-overall DOH! it would have been blue and made of plastic like Catherine’s.
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Kenneth you are out of your depth, since when were you an expert on French hairdressers attire ?
Look what i have found on the ugine wikipedia website
Commerce et Distribution :Bianco Production Pétrolière (Total)
Famille BiancoJules (1895-1986), entrepreneur et homme politique, Croix de guerre 1914-1918, résistant, Président du Conseil général de Savoie (1956 à 1964)Maurice (1926), fils de Jules, branche transport de l’entreprise familialeGeorges (1928), fils de Jules, branche vins, spiritueux et combustiblesRené (1932), fils de Jules, branche vins, spiritueux et combustiblesLucien (1930), fils de Jules, universitaire, sinologue.
Après le 11 novembre 1942, les allemands envahissent la zone libre. Un détachement de l’armée allemande s’installe au vieux phalanstère de l’usine, puis à l’école de Montroux. Jules Bianco est élu pour assumer la présidence du mouvement Uginois de Libération et va immédiatement engager les actions de résistance dans la région uginoise.
No, this is a man who have’t slept all night, and I wouldn’t blamee him after what he has seen. He looks as if he is just a little over 160 cm (4x40cm of the door’s glass frames), with quite a big belly.
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So we connect Sylvain’s ex wife with the Jules Bianci family.
Jules Bianci is TOTAL oil trading.
And now connect Mr.Auchi with TOTAL. (search google!)
Bingo?
You are working well as per the norm ,Bluebird. It strikes me Ugine seems to be the centre for ‘action’. I watched that video of the singer Ginolin, YUK !
He’s either mentally deranged or taking some substance………….and violent.
No, this is a man who haven’t slept all night, and I wouldn’t blame him after what he has seen. He looks as if he is just a little over 160 cm (judging by the 4x40cm of the door’s glass frames), and he carries around with him,- quite a big belly.
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No, this is a man who haven’t slept all night, and I wouldn’t blame him after what he has seen and gone through.
Personal characteristics:
He looks as if he is just a little over 160 cm (judging by the 4x40cm of the door’s glass frames), and he carries around with him,- quite a big belly.
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Last word on this Kenneth, so it wouldn’t occur to you that that stomach could belong to a pregnant woman ?
Go get some sleep.
Okay the door has a footing before the glass commences, so make that approximately 180-185 cm (his height)
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Elf changed it’s name to Total after the corruption case with Mr X, the French do this all the time, they think rebranding cleanses them of all blame. LoL !!
Kathy he is very sloppy dressed in blue jeans and a cotton shirt that hangs out over his trousers. He don’t know whether he should hide or be seen. He has a feeling that publicity could protect him against the dark forces that 24 days later would finish him off. And he is right in that respect, that it is this video that now makes it possible to unravel the whole thing.
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Katie
It does not matter whether or not TOTAL or ELF.
Wikipedia mentions TOTAL because its written today.
However, his company ” Le Fils Jules Bianco SA” did exist long ago. The lawsuit he had versus the European Community was in 1985.
He was the French oil trader for ELF//TOTAL.
And most likely Sylvain Mollier was his son in law.
I think that we now got the link betwen SM and al Hilli. This must have been an old friendship. And now I know why the French did not want us to know who his ex wife was. I think that the house #5 and the house #12 belong to the Bianco sisters as their inheritage.
For the last time Kenny !
Brighten the photo.
It is a woman with red hair,wearing glasses, a bracelet & either an overall or one of the fashionable 3/4 length tops, it even has a pleated/frill & blue jeans. Possibly pregnant.
No way with that hairstyle is it a male.
Thanks for recent amusing exchange K&K
I get the feeling it is a short man, check shirt, hair seems to be slightly receding – better to watch the video.
Hiding face.
Pajero the writing on the spare wheel cover seemed to be …XUL It’s a dead end for me , but I did notice a dealership in LUX (coincidence) in the region. (Mont Blanc Autos of Chambery don’t seem to have Pajeros for sale). There was there this photo of a Pajero which shows that the style is newer than the one “crashed” at Ugine. So, does the registration match the style of BW-216-FM??
I still can’t square the damage with the location. There should be masses of glass here!! (which there isn’t) Is it perhaps an insurance write-off recycled with false plates?? Looks like a tree or pillar has fallen on it.
Actually, I have looked at a lot of Pajero photos and the Ugine wreck has very unusual rear lighting styles, as found on the Intercooler Turbo SWB Shogun dating from 1995 (the one I have seen) I’ll post a screen shot at Icke. The only difference being the indicators on the roof.
from 1992/3. So, an old model.
You’ve lost me on the SM/ Al Hilli connection BB ?
Here’s another Pajero for sale, similar, 1992/3: Link
Felix, do we know how steep the drop into this spot was ?
I see a man killed/shot,bundled into the back seat,driven to this place & then driven over the cliff [?] at speed to create a violent bounce on its roof.
The only problem with that is the driver would have to leap out stuntman style !
If it were a steep drop, then pushing the vehicle over the edge would work the same.
@Katie
Reports said the vehicle was only 30m off the road, from memory. If it had dropped, it would be upside down. What is there to drop off? And the glass…
mid 1990s Pajero gallery here at Icke
So Felix, 30 m…..down ?
That’s not enough to bounce & roll often enough to land upright on it’s wheels …which can happened but only over a greater distance, so lets be realistic,no way was that vehicle driven there in that state so this is what must have happened……..and the 30 m must be wrong.
With so many mountainous roads & woodlands there, the location could even be deliberately misleading.
‘Maxime Ginolin was born september the 28th 1988 in Aix-les-bains, France. When he was a youngster, his family moved to Morocco where he grow up. He returned in France in 2007 to study Psychology. After his studies, he took a sabbatical year, during this year he concentrated on writing, music composition and film production.’
http://www.maximeginolin.com/en/biography/
Is the guy we’re talking about?
@Katie
who’s saying it was driven there?
mochyn,
yes, that is the Maxime Ginolin guy who created those videos together with Joyce Mollier who made the music. That link I had already posted last night.
I wonder what was in their “WORLD TRADE CENTER TRAILER” video that was removed from the internet everywhere. I can’t find it anywhere. That is unusual for a videoclip that had once been on the internet. Those two guys don’t let remove those clips because of copyright issues because in contrary they upload their clips deliberately onto youtube.
Felix, it had to get there somehow & unloading it from a trailer may just be noticed by a passerby,risky !
Why would anyone do that to hide a body ?
The body could have been dumped anywhere without all that palaver.
@Bluebird
5 Nov, 2012 – 11:27 am
Still catching up on yesterday’s postings.
M OUVRIER BUFFET Patrick is also in that Solidarite et Progres list.
I thought it was interesting that Maxime Ginolin’s family moved to Morocco when he was young and he grew up there. Another family oil connection,maybe? Or Islamic influence on a young, creative mind.
Keep digging, I’m sure SM is the key.
@ bluebird @ 5 Nov, 2012 – 1:55 am
“The Ginolin family are relatives of the Mollier family… read the biography of Maxime Ginolin”
Ginolin appears to be a leftist radical. A vegan, anti-meat, and strong animal activist, yet connects with LaRouche, who some say is far-right fascist. This page mentions him:
http://lesmoutonsenrages.fr/2012/09/10/unsurvivable-sans-retour-et-autres-e-mails-recus/
“The crisis that is developing around the Syria and the Iran is as serious as the 1962 Cuban missile crisis… Here, we present in the French version the documentary of the LaRouche PAC “Unsurvivable”, produced in September 2012.”
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtd437
“Here is an artist that I very recently discovered and it fits perfectly in the logic of the site. I think it could stand to be known! His artist name is MagicJack and his real name is Maxime Ginolin”
Before I die:
http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=DJG9nNu25jQ & feature = relmfu
And his latest music video Illuminati Dance:
http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=wEXM-hIy00Q
@Katie
5 Nov, 2012 – 9:56 am
Image 6/21 Is that a Charolais bull?
http://www.maximeginolin.com/en/gallery/
@ Q 5 Nov, 2012 – 2:50 am
“@NR: The world is very small. The players all seem to be connected: http://www.afrocentricnews.com/html/bush_gang.html
GHCQ and NSA don’t need the supercomputers for encoding and decoding, it is for keeping track of all the players. I posted this link before. If it’s not former prime ministers doing deals it’s former presidents… like an old-time repertory company, same cast, different plays.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/17/clinton-sergei-kurzin-opinions-contributors-sidorov.html
“Kurzin’s partner, Canadian mining mogul Frank Giustra, and Bill Clinton flew out to meet with the country’s president, Nursultan Nazarbaev.”
“Kurzin claimed credit for helping Canada’s Bema Gold Corporation to develop the Kupol gold mine in Russia’s Chukotka province. The deal brought Kurzin into contact with the Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich, who was governor of the region at the time. ”
“But it was another Canadian mining promoter who would change Kurzin’s life in 2003. Stephen Dattels, a former executive at Barrick Gold…”