The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“It is a woman with red hair,wearing glasses, a bracelet & either an overall or one of the fashionable 3/4 length tops, it even has a pleated/frill & blue jeans. Possibly pregnant.”
Absolutely- that’s a woman. I’m at a loss how anyone can think that’s a man.
Also Felix, think how the car would be placed on the road, it would not be head onto but parallel to the forest, this would mean it falls on its side & the bounce back onto the wheels.
The photo is deceptive the vehicle did not make a headlong fall.
OFF TOPIC:
@ Q 5 Nov, 2012 – 2:50 am
“@NR: Package sent, allegedly by dude, to private school connects back to Mr. T.’s son.”
Another calling card? Paper folded and between fingers – a “hand delivered” message. Did dude have that refined a sense of humour?
Another red head. Rebekah Brooks, former boss of UK The Sun’s Alex West, framer-upper extraordinaire.
“David Cameron was accused of withholding more than 130 text and email exchanges with Rebekah Brooks yesterday – as Downing Street insisted it didn’t possess a single one. The row came as details emerged of intimate exchanges between the Prime Minister and Rupert Murdoch’s former right-hand woman.”
Thank-you Dopey, good to have another woman’s opinion.
I must away,back later to see Kenneth’s reaction. 😉
NR
Thanks for the link of the appaarent Larouche website of Maxime Ginloin:
{http://lesmoutonsenrages.fr/2012/09/10/unsurvivable-sans-retour-et-autres-e-mails-recus/
However, I made an exciting find on that website.
Watch that very short youtube clip (it’s obviously that WORLD TRADE CENTER TRAILER clip that was removed elsewhere all over the internet, just in french, so they didn’t find it who die seeke to remove it.
Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmKgpMkaBiI
Watch the last 3 seconds!
Title of the book:
“Le bureau des complots”
Available in all bookshops on Sept 5th 2012
Note that date 5th Sept 2012!!!
I wonder whether those books are still available or else they were all set on fire on Sept 6th?
For what it’s worth:
Le Bureau des complots, le nouvel album de Jérémy Mahot
11 septembre 2012 – Bande dessinée
Si vous avez dévoré Les frères Zimmer contre le reste du monde, alors vous devriez logiquement aimer Le Bureau des complots. Même si ce nouvel album de Jérémy Mahot avance avec un humour plus masqué, plus cynique aussi, vous retrouverez ici l’atmosphère savoureusement décalé du premier album ainsi que le graphisme minimaliste, géométrique, rigide, en un mot glacial, qui devient la marque de fabrique de l’auteur. Et l’histoire ? Justement l’histoire… Jérémy Mahot part des attentats du 11 septembre et des différentes théories du complot pour imaginer l’existence d’une agence secrète qui serait à l’origine de toutes les catastrophes de l’histoire : l’assassinat de Kennedy, le tsunami en Thaïlande et, donc, le 11 septembre. Si le sujet est grave, particulièrement à l’approche du jour anniversaire, Jérémy Mahot parvient à traiter l’affaire avec finesse. Le héros principal de cette « politique-fiction », patron de l’agence et instigateur direct de l’attentat contre le World Trade Center, est un petit bonhomme sec et froid, absolument dépourvu d’humanisme… C’est le deuxième album de l’auteur ! EGuillaud
Le Bureau des complots, de Jérémy Mahot. Editions Delcourt. 9,95 euros.
http://blog.france3.fr/actu-bd-livrejeunesse/2012/09/11/le-bureau-des-complots-le-nouvel-album-de-jeremy-mahot/
Here is the photo of Frederic Brun. Sorensen, perhaps you want to upload this photo onto icke?
https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjNDzQnChR3WdfN1_Fdoh2_uCWI4tvNNhLOLzWZ8K9SRtimh4XO2W8J_YyDn_3OaskzpdpUemxfYGgLskz75X0qgM_b8zbnyEl1WwFMOR15cOIvi3uHCLUPHWv-AgxYZzoFC-rQ&q=cache%3AD3jYuuRH02cJ%3Awww.ledauphine.com%2Ffr%2Fimages%2Fgetnc.aspx%3FiMedia%3D68110974%20le%20dauphine%20sylvain%20mollier%20frederic%20brun&docid=c1f8674da6b307e091ce681f964f2583&a=bi&pagenumber=1&w=800
There is also a Brun Marc registered in 12, av Jules Bianco.
Cmte Stephane is also registered in 5, av. Jules Bianco. He deals with wines and wineyards.
I didn’t find much about Marc Brun, other that he worked as a referee and linesman in Ugine for soccer. I found a Marc Brun in Canada who had died in July 2012 because of a motor vehicle accident, but I doubt that this is the guy because the relatives mentioned there aren’t the same that were mentioned for Frederic Brun.
just found a rugby player in Montpellier – looks somehow alike the other FB
http://www.tuniquesbleues.free.fr/LES%20JOUEURS/lesjoueurs.html
Bluebird 5 Nov, 2012 – 1:30 am I tried to find the Golding fellow but couldn’t. What is more when I Googled “Craig Murray” the usual ref. to the earlier “Conundrum” thread seems to have disappeared. Is this just me? If you have a specific contributions from said Golding please send as I would like to read. Thanks. As to Pajero accident I’ve managed to find a couple of paper reports and two different angle phots but it seems very sparse for a fatal accident. No quote from police sources. No details of driver and front seat passenger. Just I think that they managed to jump clear (or was that from someone here). Am I right in thinking the accident happened on the 29 or 30th September so over three weeks from the shooting? I thought I had read on here it was much closer to events than that. Usually, and especially after accidents, local papers give far more detail and obituary and funeral reports appear sometimes with lists of those attending. I’m afraid my seach/computer skills arn’t up to much so will have to rely on others for that. In any event two people jumping clear of a falling car (without injury?) takes some doing doesn’t it. It may happen in a highly orchestrated stunt scene (there’s those Hollywood allusions again!) but a real live accident on a mountain road? I don’t think so. You would have to know in advance you were going over the edge and be both decide to eject at a slow enough speed not to injure yourself. Much more likely a dead or drugged body in the back and push it over. I am not being melodramatic but just realistic. How do we get more information on this accident and the people involved? If this Fred Brun turns out to be Mollier’s ex-wife’s boss, landlord or work mate the co-incidences are just too great to ignore.
…. La section rugby de la gendarmerie de Montpellier regroupe differents …
….and what is more if the French police have failed to pick up on them after such a huge Mollier/Al Hilli investigation, it can only point to more cover-up sadly for French justice.
Tim , here you are pages one & two .
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/shootings-in-france/
Bluebird genius !!!
Not only his name Frédéric Brun, but Ugine mentioned too.
Bluebird at 1:34 pm.
So you found his “death-advertissement” from the local newspaper, and with the “Brindille” and all and he died the 29th of September. But this man pictured is 55-60 year old. How does this fit with the 35 year old, that we always thought he was?
TIM V.
I posted the link to the exact Craig Murrey forum above:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/shootings-in-france/comment-page-3/#comments
click that an look out for the name of that poster. He left 5 or 6 messages there. There are 3 pages, perhaps he had to post started on the second page only.
Shelock:
I STRONGLY doubt that this is our Frederic Brun in that Rugby dress. Also Montpellier is somewhere else. Brun as a common name in France. It’s the same as the name “Brown” in the UK/USA.
However, we are in search of Marc Brun who was registered in 12 av. Jules Bianco, too. Any more details about that Marc Brun to find? It looks like as if he did nothing except being a linesman and a referee in Ugine soccer youth matches.
+++
off topic: I had waited for a long time for jon’s math to come up with the 1×1=? question.
Now I got that for the first time. Thanks jon. That was the first time when I could solve the math without using my calculator. You know, birds are dumb.
Amanda Lamble and daughter Isabella handed over a large bunch of flowers to police officers guarding the house.
Ms Lamble said: “The children are the same age as my two daughters, we often drive down to Spain and we know Annecy and we felt that we needed to pay our respects.”
From here:-
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/flowers-and-tributes-to-family-placed-at-claygate-house-8119812.html
Doesnt this suggest the 2 families drive to Spain and maybe to Annecy TOGETHER?
Amanda Lamble’s husband David Christopher Lamble run a headhunting firm -useful to know to get the right person into secretive positions at EADS or to be cover for UK Intel to check on anyone.
Clever Bird……. I used a calculator ;-))
Tim, Bluebird actually have found his “obituary report” from a local paper LE CARNET. But trouble is this man is nearly bald and is 55-60 year old – not the 35 year old man that we thought.
I wish somebody could write the French text down (it talks about Hollywood?) and run it trough Google Translate.
I hope that I found Marc Brun
He worked for ViT
Vi TECHNOLOGY
Espace Gavaniere
Rue de Rochepleine
38120 Saint Egreve
FRANCE
Vi TECHNOLOGY is a worldwide global supplier in designing, manufacturing, and supporting a wide range of innovative Automated Optical Inspection equipment and software solutions for a broad range of applications. These applications include PCB assembly, back-end semiconductor production, incoming inspection and process control.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marc-brun/12/11a/241
sorensen.
They guy on this picture you mentiond IS OUR Frederic Brun. That is the message regarding his funeral. Do you believe that his relatives post a wrong picture into a local newspaper ad for his funeral? I strongly doubt so. So then, this is a real picture of “Brindille”.
Bluebird Yes it must be. Maybe this isn’t our man in the Pajero. Yes he died on 29the of September, but Someone one here heard 1) a 35 old man had died, and 2)someone had picked up a death notice around that time [but wasn’t that on 30th of September (I seem to recall)] and put 2 and 2 together and got five?
Says 35 here:-
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.avis-de-deces.net/v_RHONE-ALPES_73_SAVOIE_ugine.html%3Fmethod%3D1&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522frederic%2Bbrun%2522%2Bugine%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gl%3Duk%26biw%3D1100%26bih%3D587%26prmd%3Dimvnso&sa=X&ei=SdWXUJfKHNCT0QXB_oD4DA&ved=0CDsQ7gEwAw
Bit of a long shot
Kenneth Sorensen
5 Nov, 2012 – 7:01 am but could the glass in the lay by reportedly 15 metres from the BMW come from the attacker’s vehicle? This one even? Ok even I agree this is a bit unlikely…
Seems everything go in circles in here. Bluebird was the first to propose he was 35 year old.
First you go to the bottom of this page an click on “View all comments” and then you click “Find” in the File-menu of your browser and type in “Brun” a Felix on the 9th of October said this:
Bluebird said on 9 Oct, 2012 – 5:59 pm:
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Peter said on 9 Oct, 2012 – 6:31 pm
Strange, Straw that this notice from 2/10 mentions a Frederick Brun from Ugine has died aged 35, when the man in the death notice from LE CARNET, which Bluebird found today, clearly is much older ,- in my estimate 55-60 years old.
Felix
5 Nov, 2012 – 10:31 am Pajero wheel base? Can you get hold of the length from Manufacture’s details? Looks quite a short one and distinctively so. Now does it match the wheel spin marks (x3) on RHS of lay by? I am not absolutely sure if they are made by vehicle skidding IN or accelerating OUT. I think it’s the latter. Anyway if it is it’s a four wheel drive because both front and back wheels spin on off side. That gives us a wheel base length. Now doues it match up with that of the Pajero?
kenneth,
you can’t tell the age of many people by just watching their hairstyle. He looks older, but could well be 35 on that picture, too. I know people who are looking much older when they are just 30 than some other people are looking who are even 50. How you look like is a matter of genes, sports and your way of live.
@Felix
Thanks for the fascinating link to Mr. Auchi and his attempts to stifle free speech – very worrying…
{http://wikileaks.org/wiki/MPs_in_uproar_after_attack_on_WikiLeaks}
@Rox
Thanks for the link to the missing cow, later found with a bullet in its head. {http://www.ledauphine.com/savoie/2012/09/15/une-vache-retrouvee-tuee-par-balle}
Very interesting indeed. I was thinking, what if it had been enjoying its freedom since escaping, only to to be accidentally shot by someone letting off 30 secs of automatic fire as was heard by the ear-witnesses to the shootings?
Lends weight to the extraction hypothesis IMO, with no real shooting at all, but random spraying of car and surroundings to make it look real, accidentally ending the short-lived freedom of the unlucky cow who happened to be in the firing line?
@Straw
Thanks for posting the link to “Mollier family speak out for the first time”. {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html}
“Impossible,” said one cousin, who refused to give his name. “Sylvain didn’t even have a degree. He was a welder, not a nuclear scientist. He wasn’t a mystery man; he’d not ever really travelled far from home.”
Is this as good as they can get? An unnamed “cousin”? And suddenly he’s a “welder” (as NR also pointed out), neither a Metallurgist nor the Head of Production as previously reported? Note that none of the named people interviewed confirmed his job title. Why? If he’s just a welder surely he could have told them all, and they could have told us. And (as someone else mentioned) why so long after the fact? Highly dubious IMO, most likely a typical government cover-up attempt with usual lazy MSM regurgitation.
And in any case, as has been mentioned before, you don’t need to be in R&D to get access to secrets, or controlled materials (eg Zirconium, Hafnium).
I will log of for today, hopefully Felix will upload a screen-shot from that death notice to Icke, along with a descipherment of the French text.
PS. How ironic that Kenneth should mention my name just as I was catching up after a few days away…
I don’t know if this was posted on either of the threads:
http://larouchepac.com/node/23963