The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Katie
strange that the photo was from during the night.
Methuselah.
minor detail – Solidarity and Progress have 4 seats out of 28 on Ugine municipal council, M. Louis BERTRAND, M. Jean-Pierre CALVAT, Mme Annie COGGIOLA, Mme Agnès CREPY, being the top four from election list of 29; local emphasis = council housing, public services, image of City in the Mountains; claims to be on the Left.
Re Obit notice of Brun – that’s a young guy in the photo. Under 40. Looks well built.
We still need to link France’s biggest private intelligence service and investigation service office, detective Brun, run by Serge Brun (approx. 60 years old), to Frederic and Marc Brun of Ugine. (Link given yesterday). Due to their own website they do everything what is needed in Iraq and on war places at home and everywhere else.
What we have learnt since yesterday:
1. What we learnt is that we know that Brun’s nickname “Brindille” is coming from an insect name (insect that looks like a twig and you won’t see it even if it’s sitting next to you) and that word means in French mobster slang: “Silent Observer”. A silent observer is often call a “Spy”, too.
2. Today we have linked Sylvain Mollier with Coiffeur Cathy. Coiffeur Cathy is in the same house where Brun has a flat and opposite to the house where Brun has got his massage and beauty saloon.
3. Today we found out that the girlnames of the two female Coiffeurs is Bianco.
4. Today we found out that the two women git their coiffeur saloon in avenue Jules Bianco and their name is Bianco. This is a rather small village. usually they give a street name to an honorable member of the community exactly for that street where he had his house(s). Bianco women got a business in house #5, av. Jules Bianco.
5. We know (looking into wikipedia, French version) who Jules Bianco is.
Jules Bianco and his company “Le Fils Bianco SA” from Ugine was one of the most important oil traders in France. They even sued the EU. Bianco was an oil trader for ELF/TOTAL.
6. Now we can link ELF/TOTAL with the Auchi scandal in France when Auchi was at court in France. Jules Bianchi – Auchi. Saad al Hilli – Sylvain Mollier.
7. We have also learnt, that Maxime Ginolin (relative of Mollier family) and Joyce Mollier create aggressive political video clips that are apparently made for LaRouche.
8. We have also learnt that the family Brun, the family Ginoline, the family Ouvret-Buffet (Bianchi) and the family Mollier were in the Ugine Larouche movement.
That were very good 24 hours. Let’s continue that way.
soory, mistyped above: Bianchi = should read: BIANCO
Ginoline = should read: GINOLIN
bluebird
5 Nov, 2012 – 6:32 pm
Given the anti-semitism of the LaRouche movement, would it not seem strange for Brun, as a Jew, to be in it?
That’s rust on the roof of the Pajero, the damaged corner of the roof…it has been stored in a damaged condition. Or been there weeks.
Felix, I took it that that is the impact point & mud/earth not rust, the rain would have washed most of it off.
Who said the pic was taken at night , trees would make it look dark?
@Q
Curiouser and curiouser, said Alice.
Your link reveals this:
Companies House holds this information about Blue Mountain Group:
Blue Mountain Group Limited
55 North Cross Road
London
SE22 9ET
United Kingdom
Director: Melbourne Nugent (54)
Dissolved Sept 2009
Comp No 03621681
Their registered address belongs to LCS, Certified Accountants & Registered Auditors. The sign on LCS’s door says their website is {www.lcsdulwich.co.uk} which is unregistered.
However google gives their website as {www.lcsconsulting.co.uk} which is under construction, but gives the same address.
By some strange “coincidence”(?), the Blue Mountain Cafe is just down the road, at 18 North Cross Road, London, SE22 9EU.
However this may all be unrelated, as the Blue Mountain Group website at {www.bluemountaingroup.co.uk} says they are company number 3722107 which is Blue Mountain Security Solutions Limited of 24 Lammas Street, Carmarthen, SA31 3AL, United Kingdom, with Director David Nigel Thomas (49). Founded in 1999 and still going strong.
It was the number 55 which caught my eye for obvious reasons.
I have been wondering why “55” and might post something on that later if anyone’s interested…
The 55 caught my eye, too, Felix. I’ve been practicing my adding and subtracting here at Craigmurray.org. That’s the equivalent of five sets of 11, but coincidentally the house number at another street address. I am offering a virtual penny for your thoughts on “55”.
@ dopey 5 Nov, 2012 – 12:01 pm
“It is a woman with red hair,wearing glasses, a bracelet & either an overall or one of the fashionable 3/4 length tops, it even has a pleated/frill & blue jeans. Possibly pregnant.”
Absolutely- that’s a woman. I’m at a loss how anyone can think that’s a man.”
Another person with red hair! It’s Sherlock Holmes and “The Adventure of the Red-Headed League”. Check all pics to see who has dirt on the knees of their trousers or overalls. The corrupt elites are busy digging a tunnel from Cezus to Qum. With their gold & uranium mining equipment they could do it. 🙂
Are we certain it is a woman; what if it is a transgendered person pretending to be pregnant? Thus far, our story involves no LGBT persons, and a good spy thriller always does, especially if the MIs are responsible – it is almost their calling card.
Oops. I meant “Ferret”.
Does it have something to do with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statement_on_Auditing_Standards_No._55
“SAS 55”.
Thanks Q.
Here are my thoughts on 55, for what they’re worth. May be significant, may be not.
1. 55 is 22 upside down. The significance of 22 is clear, being the number of the main SAS Regiment.
2. 55 looks very similar to the letters “SS”. Perhaps there’s a link here to Hitler’s SS as he was known to be into astrology, numerology, and the like?
3. From a numerology website:
Number 55 in Chaldean Numerology is the combination of two energies namely origin and annihilation. The two 5’s in 55 makes it a number feared by the enemies. Person with a name as 55 in Chaldean Numerology will defeat any sort of enemies he faces. There is a great significance of number 55 in Greek mythology. The Spartans used to sculpt the number 55 in a Tantric metal board before they go to a war. Which signifies victory in war and death for enemies. This is one of the reason why the greek soldiers were undefeated in most of the wars in history of the world.
http://astronlogia.com/2009/06/16/number-55-in-numerology
Incidentally, the number 22 also has a special significance in numerology:
In Numerology 22 is the most powerful of all numbers. It is often called the Master Builder. The 22 can turn the most ambitious of dreams into reality. It is potentially the most successful of all numbers.
http://www.tokenrock.com/numerology/master_numbers.php
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html
Interesting. And awfully convenient. Might this be an attempt – fed to the MSM – to throw people off the trail of Mollier? He was ‘just a welder’. And why is even his family intoning the police mantra of ‘we may never know what happened?’. It’s far too early for that, surely. Murder cases get solved after many moths or even some years of investigation. And being touristic, doubling back, etc., is exactly what a family might do – as I wrote right at the start, the family picnic is well-used cover for espionage.
It might all be true, but…
@Q
Do you think there is any chance that the drone the Iranians captured last year had a Quantum Nucleonics Reactor (QNR) on board as a power source?
This idea was postulated back in 2004 for the Global Hawk but I’m wondering if they’ve perhaps developed and adapted it for other vehicles?
http://www.sciscoop.com/2004-6-22-10046-8452.html
I’ve noticed that both press and ppl on here, early on got it quite wrong as to the location of the crime scene, placing it at the second hair pin bend rather than the actual location about 75 m before the first. Did anyone else notice this apart from Strawberry, and why was this? Was it intentional misinformation on the part of the frenchies or just confusion?
@ Suhayl
Unless I missed it, I don’t think there has been any official statement from the Cezus factory where he worked either which is a bit unusual.
I’m surprised no one’s mentioned this yet:
Abu Jihad killing: Israeli censor releases commando’s account
“The intelligence part of the assassination was overseen by the Mossad [Israeli intelligence], and the operational side was carried out by Sayeret Matkal [elite commando unit].”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20172511
Year 55 (LV) was a common year starting on Wednesday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar. At the time, it was known as the Year of the Consulship of Caesar and Vetus (or, less frequently, year 808 Ab urbe condita). The denomination 55 for this year has been used since the early medieval period, when the Anno Domini calendar era became the prevalent method in Europe for naming years. It is also the sum of consecutive numbers from 1 to 10.
And also this, the developing story of the UK stepping up its role in the Gulf:
“The prime minister is hoping to increase defence co-operation with the United Arab Emirates, including contingency plans for the possible basing of RAF warplanes if conflict erupts with Iran, says BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20202058
And I thought this story was relevant too (perhaps more towards much earlier elements of the discussion, re nuclear smuggling):
Dirty bomb terror threat breakthrough: British scientists build machine to detect smuggling of nuclear materials
“British scientists have created a machine that can detect terrorist attempts to smuggle nuclear material through ports and airports – even if it has been shielded from giving off radiation.
The Independent understands that prototypes of the machine – developed using a technique first established by experiments using the Large Hadron Collider – have already been tested by researchers at Britain’s Atomic Weapons Establishment.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dirty-bomb-terror-threat-breakthrough-british-scientists-build-machine-to-detect-smuggling-of-nuclear-materials-8273751.html
Re: Off topic 55
This is no esotheric number. That makes sense:
http://www.bls.gov/soc/2000/soc_w3b8.htm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/55th_Special_Operations_Squadron
wiki: Fifty-five has the interesting property that it is the 10th Fibonacci number and the sum of the numbers 1 to 10.
The ‘55 Car Club Ltd
This site is now closed, for details of The 55 Car Club please go to the club section of
http://www.msauk.org.?
4 May 2012
‘Brilliant’ nuclear scientist who worked at Cern laboratory jailed for plotting attacks for Al-Qaeda
Adlene Hicheur, 35, sentenced to five years after police intercepted emails to terrorist group
A brilliant nuclear scientist working at the Cern nuclear laboratory was today sentenced to five in prison for plotting attacks on behalf of Al-Qaeda
Adlene Hicheur, who is French and from an Algerian background and who studied in England, was arrested in 2009 after police intercepted emails he sent to the Islamic terrorist organisation.
Judges sitting at Paris Correctional Court said the 35-year-old should serve five years, with one suspended.
Hicheur has been on remand for two-and-a-half years since his arrest in October 2009, when he was a researcher at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern), a complex studying the start of the universe – or the ‘Big Bang’.
After completing a thesis on high energy in 2003, Hicheur was a postgraduate at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, at Chilton, near Didcot, Oxfordshire.
Hicheur was arrested by anti-terrorist police in October 2009 at his parents’ flat on an estate on the outskirts of Lyon, in eastern France – close to CERN, which straddles the Franco-Swiss border.
Detectives and security agents found masses of Al-Qaeda literature at his own flat nearby, including advice on how to carry out terrorist crimes.
Hicheur had also been corresponding by email with Mustapha Debchi, a known member of Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) based in Algeria.
‘For example – the air base at Cran-Gevrier, near Annecy, in France. This base trains troops and sends them to Afghanistan.’
Any links to our guys?
@ TimV
Mind you, a lot of these so-called terrorist cases are concocted in order to make the “War on Terror” seem justified and so legitimize their endless wars on Muslim countries. Big money involved.
@Tim V
6 Nov, 2012 – 12:19 am
Go back to the earlier blog postings, or maybe the earlier thread(s).
I’m sure it’s been covered at length already. We really to need to find a way to collate in one place all the established known knowns as well as the known unknowns, not to mention the unknown unknowns.
This is from wikipedia:
‘General director of the National Police Frédéric Péchenard stated in November 2009 that Hicheur planned to attack a base of the National Defence in Annecy, which harbours the 27ème bataillon de chasseurs alpins, involved in Afghanistan.[5]
Hicheur’s trial started on March 29, 2012, in Paris.[6] In May 2012 Hicheur was sentenced to “five years in prison for plotting terrorist attacks.”[7] On 15 May Hicheur left prison and decided not to appeal his sentence.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adl%C3%A8ne_Hicheur
‘the 27ème bataillon de chasseurs alpins..’
I bet there are some sharp shooters amongst those gentlemen. Some of them no doubt will be interested in military history, collectors of memorabilia even. To say nothing of hunting, forests.. that kind of thing!
Just pure speculation, of course.
@Bluebird
5 Nov, 2012 – 6:32 pm
A good summary of the day’s discoveries.
Maxime Ginolin’s bio on his website (in French and English, although there are some differencs in emphasis)is interesting.
‘Maxime Ginolin est né le 28 septembre 1988 à Aix-les-bains. Très jeune, ses parents l’emmènent vivre au Maroc où il passera toute son enfance. En 2006, il monte son premier groupe et commence à tourner à travers tout le pays. Ce n’est qu’en 2007 qu’il rentre vivre en France pour suivre des études en Psychologie. Après deux ans passés à l’université, écœuré par le système éducatif, il décide de prendre une année sabbatique pour se concentrer uniquement à l’écriture et la composition. C’est en 2010 que naît la chanson ” Hope ”, qui traite de la souffrance animale à travers le monde et produit un clip documentaire relayé par Louis Psihoyos, réalisateur de ”The Cove ”, primé aux oscars et produit par Luc Besson, ainsi que Shaun Monson réalisateur de ”Earthlings”. Il est alors invité à présenter la chanson à Los Angeles. Le clip sera par la suite censuré une multitude de fois par Youtube, Dailymotion et Vimeo pour des raisons plus que douteuses.’
http://www.maximeginolin.com/fr/biographie/
‘Maxime Ginolin was born September the 28th 1988 in Aix-les-bains, France. When he was a youngster, his family moved to Morocco where he grew up. He returned in France in 2007 to study Psychology. After his studies, he took a sabbatical year, during this year he concentrated on writing, music composition and film production.
In 2010, he wrote a song named « Hope », that talks about animal abuse around the world. In the same year, he produced the music video for Hope relayed by Louis Psihoyos, director of Oscar Winner ”The Cove” which was produced by Luc Besson and Shaun Monson director of ”Earthlings”. After that he was invited to Los Angeles to present the song.’
http://www.maximeginolin.com/en/biography/
We know from the French version, but not the English version, that he spent his entire childhood in Morocco, set up his first band there in 2006 and started touring the country, returned to France only in 2007, that he dropped out of uni disenchanted by the education system and that the video of his song “Hope”has been banned from YouTube, Dailymotion and Vimeo many times for more than dubious reasons.
If he is indeed related to SM, they do seem to be a somewhat radical, maybe even ‘extremiste’ family! But do we know for sure that he is connected to LaRouche, or is that just supposition?