The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Mochyn69: Not to mention the stash of old relics that could be found in the mountains in those parts, left by the maquis from WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_des_Gli%C3%A8res
I found some interesting facts here about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-Savoie
There is some interesting research going on around Annecy. Some companies that caught my eye.
@Ferret: What we know about the advances in military technologies is no doubt years behind what has already happened.
@Ferret: I should have known that muons would lead back to Lachlan Cranswick and neutron scattering.
http://eprintweb.org/s/article/cond-mat/0905.3215/refs
Who knew that back in the 20th century, NATO held a meeting about heavy ions in the Haute-Savoie: http://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/1363312
@BB
MZT have said the ex wifes name is Lydie Ringot appears to be known as Lydia Ringot with a maiden name of Sclosa I think she is the lady in the video of the hairdressers and the owners are Bianco.
While I am here I saw this story on a link and thought it might help with local knowledge as to where people go to service their weapons and fire them also although these weapons appear to be very ancient 🙂
http://www.lessorsavoyard.fr/Actualite/Savoie/2012/05/11/article_evelyne_ougier_les_armes_de_la_passion_e.shtml
@Bluebird
Ah… the Night Hawks! I didn’t know they were officially the 55th Special Operations Squadron… very interesting…
Of course it begs the question why 55 was chosen for that particular squadron… it may just have been the next number in the sequence, but… there was a lot of esoteric stuff involved in the founding of the USA, you just have to look at the back of a dollar bill to see an example. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there was something similar going on even today with names/numbers.
BTW, I couldn’t get the other link to work… can anyone else, or is it just me? http://www.bls.gov/soc/2000/soc_w3b8.htm
@Q
It’s a small world, isn’t it. Mind you, wasn’t there’s a large particle accelerator in Haute-Savoie, even before CERN?
And yes… maybe ten years and several million dollars solved the problems of the QNR, and maybe that’s what the Iranian’s got their hands on with the drone – along with other highly sensitive technologies, of course.
If so, no wonder everyone is doing their nut.
If you stop this video at 0:23 it is a good view of the bend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap3DK7myAN4&feature=related
A wider photo view here.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00333/112636882__333663b.jpg
It strikes me as quite an awkward location to direct someone too what would you say to someone you were giving directions who was not local to get them to the right spot?
@Q
6 Nov, 2012 – 4:21 am
Very interesting about the Maquis des Glières.
I’m wondering if old enmities still go back a long way in places like Haute Savoie today?
In 1944 the maquisards, communists and Spanish lumberjacks under the command of officers of the 27ème bataillon de chasseurs alpins were beseiged by two thousand Vichy French militiamen and police and eventually many of them including the leaders and almost all the officers as well as one hundred and twenty maquisards were found dead. They had been killed in battle by the Germans or, if taken prisoner, had been tortured, shot or deported.
Remember the establishment and enforcement of the Vichy regime’s program of anti-Semitic policies. They carried out the deportation of thousands of French Jews, refugee Jews and other “undesirables” to the Drancy deportation camp en route to Auschwitz and other German extermination camps.
There’s a good read here at http://alain.cerri.free.fr/index20.html
Katie, you live in France, Brittany, as I recall. Do the old enmities still resound there today?
The Death Notice of Frédéric Brun has now been (roughly) transcribed.
The most memorable are some expressions of his which according to his friends now have become “cult”:
[Capital letters means it is incomprehensible to me. Frenchspeakers could help by visiting Icke and enlarhe the Death notice and see for themselves
]
A French speaking individual, like Oliphant, could help greatly, if he were to convey the meaning of these quotes.
If the opening paragraph of the Death notice also was a quote of his, he was a man of humor:
[The quote could be a reference to his baldness]
1.Il disait. “Si Dieu veut me tirer par
2.les cheveux pour me monter au
3.Paradis, il n’y arrivera pas” Dieu
4.y est finalement arrivé, et lá
4.rappelé auprés de Lui, le 29
5.septembre 2012.
6.Sa disparition soudaine nous a
7.laisse un immense vide, mais
8.nos coeurs son remplis á
9.jamais de mervellieux et
10.inoubliables souvenirs.
11.Les petit xxx qu´ll avait
12.pour habitude de nous donner,
13.et ses expressions cultes. “Ca
14.faut pas faire”, “Toutes les
15.vedettes sont pas á
16.Hollywood”, “Des Indiens y’en a
17.plus mais des floch eu y’en a
18.encore”, “Tu vois bien, quoi”
19.”Histoire de dire”, “Tu vois ce
20.que j’veux te dire”, resteront
21.dans nos mémoires.
22.Tous, nous nous souviendrons
23.de “Brindille”, comme d’un etre
24.joyeux, généreux et
25.attentativé.
26.”Brindille”, pour toujours dans
27.nos coeurs et nos pensées.
14. & 15. Not all the stars are from Hollywood..
@Kenneth Sorensen
6 Nov, 2012 – 6:32 am
Yours was a good first try. I’ve tried to tidy it up. I think lines 11 and 12 are:
11.Les petits aumones qu´ll avait
12.pour habitude de nous donner
‘The little favours he usually used to give us..’
So, while it would be entirely logical to suggest that if these murders have been state or para-statal in provenance, we may never find out who did them, in purely criminal scenarios (lone nut, financial shenanigans, etc.), there is every likelihood that the culprit(s) will be found. So, when the French police and now also (conveniently) Mollier’s family keep saying, ‘this may take 10 years to solve, or it may never be solved…’, it seems to suggest to me that while no-one is admitting it, the underlying assumption is that it was a state or para-state assassination of some sort. The attempts also to donwnplay both Al Hilli’s and Mollier’s importance – ‘he was just a welder’, ‘he could have had no access to secret work’., you just have to casually flash an ID card to get into the nuclear facility’, it can’t be anything sinister or important’, ‘ he was pushing a buggy and never left his village, he was a yokel, of no importance whatsoever just like David Kelly was of no importance whatsever’,etc. – seem awfully convenient too. For months, there was nothing from Mollier’s family. Now, suddenly, everyone is talking. I think they’ve been frightened, told to shut up, then now to speak out in a simple plainsong and fed a line. It’s the same line, every time. They’re not very imaginative. They need better writers.
Suhayl.
Have you ever been door stepped, or stopped in the street by a journalist ?
I have, the questions/conversation you have with that journalist is never shown on TV, they simply edit it to the lines they want, so to say people are not talking etc, is probably inaccurate.
This is what makes the media so powerful,they can manipulate a situation so well & editors are a law unto themselves too, trying to get inaccuracies corrected is almost impossible without recourse to the law.
Wise people ‘don’t ‘ talk to journalists for this very reason.
Its strange how things go around I followed Mochyn69’s link and then googled Maj. Vallette d’Osia which led me too The Papon affair googled Papon and looked at this wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Papon) and saw a link to Sud avation which had this at the bottom
Sud Aviation merged with Nord Aviation in 1970 to form the Aérospatiale company. Aérospatiale formed several large-scale international consortia, for example with British Aerospace and Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm to form Airbus, and ultimately merged into European aerospace company EADS in 2000
Sud Aviation
Industry Aerospace
Fate Merged
Successor(s) Aérospatiale
Founded 1 March 1957
Defunct 10 July 1970
Headquarters Toulouse, France
Key people Maurice Papon (President, 1967–68)
Subsidiaries SOCATA
From Marilynztomlin
This is for the lurkers who are posting our findings to other forums…continues
Ah, they want to censor the internet??
They can always join in here. All that stuff about the pharmacy transfer was here weeks ago.
What is the source for Ringot Lydia, coiffeurs, 31 Rue Chantemerle. Inside info? [except the FB page says Avenue de Serbie, which we came across yesterday…]
Which begs the question what the French TV were doing in the hairdressers of Cathy Coiffure? Perhaps just following a lead that SM’s ex-wife was a hairdresser, hence the coyness of Cathy.
Why didn’t they go to the pharmacy in the next town?
The MZT group seem to be also spending a lot of time analysing probable disinformation, including medical or pathological. All “useful” info comes to EM from the spooks or from BM. Go figure.
Where are the ONG as witnesses ? Nowhere.
And as for someone turning up dead in the back of a faked Pajero crash in the same town as Mollier,three weeks later – well, I think an asteroid is going to come through my roof tonight.
I will lurk though…Is SM the Michael Palin lookalike in the two links provided there by “Oui”, solidarity & Progress and cycling??
Thank you, Mochin, I’m, going to put your corrections in here
It seems to me, the quote about the Indians are the only thing we haven’t cleared up?
@ kathy 6 Nov, 2012 – 1:58 am
“@ TimV : Mind you, a lot of these so-called terrorist cases are concocted in order to make the “War on Terror” seem justified and so legitimize their endless wars on Muslim countries. Big money involved.”
This is a long, long piece on dirty finance by a 9/11 “Truther” – many names, no mention of Auchi or Rezko.
http://www.writingroom.com/viewwriting/Dakota1955/Gold-Warriors—The-Vulcans—Murdering-Liberty-and-Killing-Hope-on-911
“[China] is believed to be developing space-based and ground-based anti-satellite laser weapons. Such weapons would be of exceptional value for the control of space and information… it is possible that the PRC will be able to use nuclear reactors to pump lasers with pulse energies high enough to destroy satellites.”
“President Jimmy Carter would order the retirement of over 800 covert operatives. Many would move into private consulting and security firms. George H.W. Bush, having been CIA Director, had many acquaintances in this group, and would work with them to restore their influence and control over U.S. foreign policy and the foreign investment opportunities it created for their benefit.”
“Nugan Hand Bank… Ferdinand Marco’s gold… Peter Abeles… Henry Keswick… Peter Munk… Adnan Kashoggi… Sheikh Kamal… Edgar Bronfmann… Barrick Gold… Enron… UBS… Gorbachev… Generals Bobkov and Kondaurov… Switzerland Riggs-Valmet… Mikhail Khordokovsky… Alexander Konanykhine… Boris Berezovsky (Berezovskii)… Roman Abramovich… [and many others]
“At the very end of his presidency President Bush gave a sweetheart deal to the Canadian company Barrick Goldstrike. They got the rights to US land worth $10 billion in return for a nominal payment to the treasury of $10,000. In one of his last acts as president, Bush pardoned Khashoggi’s alleged Iran-Contra co-conspirators, who were key members of Bush’s own cabinet.”
“Major owners of Harris Bank were the Peter Fitzgerald family of Chicago. He was ahead by between 25 to 50 million dollars when Harris Bank became a unit of Bank of Montreal.”
“Recovery of payments from Schreiber to Mulroney was later used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to accuse Mr. Mulroney of accepting kickbacks to facilitate a $1.5 billion deal with Franz Josef Strauss, then head of the Bavarian government and chairman of Airbus Industrie. Mr. Mulroney sued for defamation, and won.”
“William Colby [former CIA Director], was assassinated*, covered up, his friends say, as a supposed “boating accident.” Colby was about to make public statements about Nugan Hand, about Household, and a few other entities which he began to realize were not really carrying out a “national security” purpose but were a vast dirty money machine.”
* Colby left his lunch half-eaten and went out on his rowboat where he had an accident. Half-eaten lunches are a hallmark of American assassinations; bad manners, the French would not interrupt a citizen’s lunch to assassinate them. See: Vince Foster and his half-eaten hamburger left in the White House, where all the surveillance cameras were conveniently “off” when he went to the park to kill himself. Trivial fact: Colby’s daughter-in-law, who lived in Brentwood, Calif., let O.J. Simpson use their bathroom when he was spying on his ex-wife and needed to pee. Then she sometimes served him a slice of pie – peach I think.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-chief-of-staff-faces-scrutiny-over-barrick-gold-links/article4504620/
Fun read about how the scamsters got scammed in the world’s most elaborate goldmine salting operation in Indonesia.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1997/06/09/227519/index.htm
@Felix
Felix I think the info of the name was gleaned by someone called George at MZT if you scroll through their messages .
I saw it a while ago and made the Bianco link which is why I passed on to BB as she was on that track .
Ferret
Do we know why the pentagon is a pentagon? If they told why (history section?) then we know why 55 are the special forces. 5 is also used inthe Illuminati book, but thats just conspiracy i guess. But why a pentagon? That might give an answer about the double5.
Mochyn
There are ginolin family members in larouche movement and somebody posted linjs yesterday connecting maxime with larouche.
P.S Felix
They know I lurk hence the remark as I have posted stuff from Oui before I think the comment was to to alert me or anyone reading both sites to the name they had found, I like the MZT site even though I don’t post there, the three forums I try and read at least once a day to see what’s new is this one MZT and the UFO one.
I have no idea about the pictures I think the guy they mean in the cycle pic is the one in red in the middle with sunglasses whether that is SM I have no idea .
I suppose you all know the extension to Google Chrome, where by you can determine how many places on the internet a certain picture is. So if you run the bespoken image through this extension, you could conceivably come to a website where this photo is,- and the photo may have captions which explains who the persons are. Because it could be a website which doesn’t allow for normal search engines.
Ferret re 55. About the pentagon
Pentagon has five sides, five floors above ground. The Pentagon includes a five-acre (20,000 m2) central plaza, which is shaped like a pentagon and informally known as “ground zero”,
Why 5 5 5 …. ?
You guys are creating an ever expanding web!
Im still here I check in all the time!
They heard it on the grapevine!
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9107117184
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/dr-mordechai-kedar/mordechai-kedar-iran-has-defeated-the-us-in-iraq/2012/11/04/
ferret
pity you didn’t get the other link to work (United States Department of Labor)
http://www.bls.gov/soc/2000/soc_w3b8.htm
here’s a shortened copy, but the links and sublinks provided there are marvellous
55-3018 Special Forces
Implement unconventional operations by air, land, or sea during combat or peacetime as members of elite teams. These activities include offensive raids, demolitions, reconnaissance, search and rescue, and counterterrorism. In addition to their combat training, Special Forces members often have specialized training in swimming, diving, parachuting, survival, emergency medicine, and foreign languages. Duties include conducting advanced reconnaissance operations and collecting intelligence information; recruiting, training, and equipping friendly forces; conducting raids and invasions on enemy territories; laying and detonating explosives for demolition targets; locating, identifying, defusing, and disposing of ordnance; and operating and maintaining sophisticated communications equipment.
55-3010 Military Enlisted Tactical Operations and Air/Weapons Specialists and Crew Members
This broad occupation includes the following nine detailed occupations:
55-3011 Air Crew Members
55-3012 Aircraft Launch and Recovery Specialists
55-3013 Armored Assault Vehicle Crew Members
55-3014 Artillery and Missile Crew Members
55-3015 Command and Control Center Specialists
55-3016 Infantry
55-3017 Radar and Sonar Technicians
55-3018 Special Forces
55-3019 Military Enlisted Tactical Operations and Air/Weapons Specialists and Crew Members, All Other
55-0000 Military Specific Occupations
55-1000 Military Officer Special and Tactical Operations Leaders/Managers
55-1010 Military Officer Special and Tactical Operations Leaders/Managers
55-1011 Air Crew Officers
55-1012 Aircraft Launch and Recovery Officers
55-1013 Armored Assault Vehicle Officers
55-1014 Artillery and Missile Officers
55-1015 Command and Control Center Officers
55-1016 Infantry Officers
55-1017 Special Forces Officers
55-1019 Military Officer Special and Tactical Operations Leaders/Managers, All Other
55-2000 First-Line Enlisted Military Supervisor/Managers
55-2010 First-Line Enlisted Military Supervisors/Managers
55-2011 First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Air Crew Members
55-2012 First-Line Supervisors/Managers of Weapons Specialists/Crew Members
55-2013 First-Line Supervisors/Managers of All Other Tactical Operations Specialists
55-3000 Military Enlisted Tactical Operations and Air/Weapons Specialists and Crew Members
55-3010 Military Enlisted Tactical Operations and Air/Weapons Specialists and Crew Members
55-3011 Air Crew Members
55-3012 Aircraft Launch and Recovery Specialists
55-3013 Armored Assault Vehicle Crew Members
55-3014 Artillery and Missile Crew Members
55-3015 Command and Control Center Specialists
55-3016 Infantry
55-3017 Radar and Sonar Technicians
55-3018 Special Forces
55-3019 Military Enlisted Tactical Operations and Air/Weapons Specialists and Crew Members, All Other
@ kathy 5 Nov, 2012 – 6:53 pm
“bluebird 5 Nov, 2012 – 6:32 pm
Given the anti-semitism of the LaRouche movement, would it not seem strange for Brun, as a Jew, to be in it?”
I am not sure that LaRouche is anti-semitic so much as anti-Israel or anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian. There are many leftist Jews who hold the same positions. LaRouche advocates massive projects in the area, such as an irrigation system, running from Casablanca to irrigate parts of the desert. Whether they are leftist radicals or rightist fascists may depend on from which side you view the LaRoucians or it may be they are like the Unification Church, where a defector said members are required to believe diametrically opposite things at the same time.
@ Mochyn69 6 Nov, 2012 – 4:18 am
“@Bluebird 5 Nov, 2012 – 6:32 pm
“…the video of his song “Hope” has been banned from YouTube, Dailymotion and Vimeo many times for more than dubious reasons.
The video is available, according to YouTube, just restricted, likely because it contains graphic animal abuse, you must log in to watch it.
“Hope by Maxime Ginolin (Official HD) – YouTube Music composed and videos mixed by Maxime Ginolin Music video against animal cruelty . guitar, bass and drums arrangement: Dimitri Guerin, Julien Mailland …”
http://arabworldfoto.com/#/videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5II-XX5MdY
“If he is indeed related to SM, they do seem to be a somewhat radical, maybe even ‘extremiste’ family! But do we know for sure that he is connected to LaRouche, or is that just supposition?”
I didn’t see anything on a few of his FaceBooks that he links up directly to LaRouche, but they seem to have common goals re Palestine. Ginolin likes literally hundreds of animal rights groups around the world – that’s his main passion. He also approves of using pedophiles instead of animals for lab experiments, hates Barbie, Lady GaGa and Justin Bieber [poor Justin, everyone hates him*], suffers from anxiety and depression, has an interest in make-up, costumes and special-effects and sometimes performs in Quebec, but hates Radio Canada. “pour-que-les-pedophiles-remplacent-les-animaux-dans-les-labos” “VOIR LA PALESTINE LIBRE AVANT DE MOURIR” “LE PLUS BEAU PAYS DU MAGREB : LE MAROC”
* In the UK Daily Mail, whenever they have a story on Biebs, usually every other day, the comments by readers say the most unkind things about him, and are always outraged ’cause he won’t pull his pants up. Funny to read.
Is this e-mail relevant to this inquiry:
—– Original Message —–
From: Press (Media)
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Legal Notice
Dear Mr Ford,
As you are aware I have previously written to you regarding your false and malicious (libel) statements that you had caused to be published online.
Having refused to remove the offending material, I must now advise you that the material has been recently re-published.
I therefore have decided to bring a legal action against you and the other perpetrators in respect of this matter.
Proceedings will be issued at the High Court in London and served on you within the next 28 days.
A per-litigation notification will be served on you within the next 7 days.
I will therefore be in touch in due course with regard to this matter.
Kindest Regards
Sam Rosenfeld
During the last few days, I have suspected that I was being prevented from posting on this site since google could not find it because of my claims being too wild, especially since an acquaintance on another blog, The Local, claimed that this site was open to others.
Now that I see that the problem had nothing to do with me, all my posts are still here, and I can apparently post this, I wonder if Sam Rosenfeld sent me the above e-mail in the hope of making me retract everyting I have ever written, especially about the connection betweeen the Mossad and the al-Hilli massacre, apparent hitman William Hershkovitz.
A most irate Rosenfeld aka Tommie Doheny called me twice this morning to demand in person that I retract everything or face legal action which will leave me with nothing.
Rosenfeld has worked for the Mossad, and I can only think that the e-mail and calls are in its interest.
Of course, I said that I wouldn’t retract anything, and that he should just get on with his threats – what he has done at least twice before without any action about claims I have made about his activities in Northern Ireland and England – and stop bothering me over the phone.
Am I being OTT for believing the connection?
Throw , it can’t have any consequence on this blog, because the server is in The Netherlands (as Jon explained on this very blog around 9the October) – moved there some years ago, exactly for the purpose of avoiding libel claimants from London.