The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Felix: Sad to agree, there appears to be no investigation in this case, just excuses (i.e. coverup).
Kenneth, Thanks for your tips CTRL + and re photos.
The main SAH photo that has been used everywhere the only place it has been used to its largest size 1261 x 1454 (if I did this right) is oddly:-
[http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://1.nieuwsbladcdn.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2012/10/06/f4f57f62-0fdb-11e2-b478-219211435910_original.jpg&imgrefurl=http://4nieuws.be/binnenland/331538/maamar-c-bedreigde-de-familie-van-zijn-slachtoffer.html&usg=__JO7nKC4banMVAQnRTpnLB_REKc8=&h=1454&w=1261&sz=202&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=YTvjMuFSuM7alM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=121&ei=gTKZUM_PFIOc0QXx8oHgDA&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=176&vpy=163&dur=5713&hovh=241&hovw=209&tx=147&ty=258&sig=112092931598180586549&page=1&ndsp=1&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:54]
Belgian press again?? Mockford??
@Tim: Yes, and I also noticed that the pharmasister of SAH’s wife has, via her supervising professors, also done work with the Diamond Light Source at Rutherford Appleton.
I’d like to see what comes of this line of thought:
“Hicheur was arrested by anti-terrorist police in October 2009 at his parents’ flat on an estate on the outskirts of Lyon, in eastern France – close to CERN, which straddles the Franco-Swiss border. ‘For example – the air base at Cran-Gevrier, near Annecy, in France. This base trains troops and sends them to Afghanistan.’ Also the N African link to Maxime Ginolin/Frederic Brun – in this case Morocco.
Just wondered given his links with radical groups one of those might have been Larouche. Could there be route to secret Collider research via Mollier and Hicheur or someone else? Could the information exchange be more than zirconium but cutting edge Hadron Collider research?”
Mochyn69
6 Nov, 2012 – 3:58 pm As you saw from the Telegraph photo, they specifically identify the top lay by on the hair pin as the site. I have seen it repeated many times by others. It is clear this cannot be it because not least it is nowhere near the stream. If you study some of the aerial shots it clearly shows the two lay-bys, the southerly one which is the crime scene and the northerly one which is where the police set up their mobile lab and parked their vehicles. These two lay bys are about 75 m north of that first hairpin or junction to the east if you prefer, which rises steeply towards the ridge and connects with a route that runs parallel to Combe d’Ire but east of it, back eventually to Chevaline. How the press could propagate such a fundamental error beats me unless advised from an official source. Since then I don’t think I have actually seen an accurate location map anywhere let alone one that plots precisely the locations of all the actors (including of course witnesses) in this peculiar saga.
Tim V this is a good photo to show the 2 consecutive laybys:-
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSVxpVCxCo1NgEGgIIBAwLELCMpwgaLgosCAESBhweHRgZGhogzLh4UghGaBXbipDFmmpNdMa_1yK6Wnls19apfW7u5lzIMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgTMvCSwDA&sa=X&ei=_muZUJCLI-ew0QWP7IHIDw&ved=0CCcQwg4&biw=1357&bih=572
Nothing new but some large quality photos on this thread [Please note Craig/Moderators]
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?126352-France-Shooting-Bullet-Ridden-BMW-Removed
felix: here is a list of new french licence plates and you can see when they were released. The new plates belong to only one car. Once the car is gone, the plate is gone, too. It won’t be released to another new car ever. That’s their new system. However, there is no chance to know where the car was licenced except for the departement, there is a logo in the right top corner of the plate symbolising the licencing departement.
http://plaque.free.fr/f_new3.html
ferret:
Here is a video where you can see the Cezus production plant (from 2004) and what they are doing there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT_QPsUr9Ws
Ugine is extremely active in regards to Middle East education and support.
{http://www.keepschool.com/cours_particulier-arabeoriental(syrolibanopalestinien)-ugine.asp
This is a great link written by Dr.alSawaf regarding the assassinations of CIA that had started with the Bush government and a description about how they are usually performed.
http://www.dr-alsawaf.com/english/CrimeoftheCentury.html
That is pretty exciting stuff and helps to understand the logistics and the preparation of such activities much better.
CD
I know that Ali is their cousin, and when you had followed my links, then you will know that he is the son of Hashim al Hilli (I even gave you his DOB here). And you would of course already know where exactly the two al Hilli families had lived in London from 1971 and that they lived only 2 minutes from each other all the time.
What he said about the reason why they left Iraq, I would not really take for granted. His father was the United Nations ambassador of Iraq in New York since 1958 and he worked in the Iraqi embassy in London before and thereafter. Of course he must have had good relations to Saddam for the time being and even thereafter, otherwise Ali Al Hilli wouldn’t have been director of Iraqi airlines in London in 1987. You aren’t an enemy of Saddam when you are getting that position and of course you must still be in contact. You simply can’t go to Iraqi airlines (even as an Iraqi in London) and telling them that you would like to become their new London director. Such a job is a political issue in an government owned airlines, isn’t it?
Look, just think about that: Given you were the accountant and fund manager of a mafia boss, managing his funds abroad, and a journalist would ask you why you were here. Would you tell that you’re a good friend of that mafia boss or would you rather tell them that you fled because the mafia boss wanted to kill you? I would tell the latter, and Ali is a clever man, too. He certainly didn’t want to point with fingers into the money issue.
There were so many lies and fake reports in the newspapers that I hardly believe them any word. We’ll have to trust our own investigation.
@Tim V and Straw:
I wanted to take a look at the lay by images but the links you two gave won’t work. Any tips on what I’m doing wrong?
Also, if everyone (almost) were apparently directed to zero in on the wrong lay by, there has had to be a reason for it at the time. That reason must have declined in importance since or we would still be directed away from the actual crime scene. Wish I lived near-by – would have loved to take a trip and see for myself. Looks like a lovely area.
An aside: It is my belief that the lines of inquiry regarding CERN and RAL will not prove fruitful except, possibly, incidentally. Alas, the sad truth is that what is known as High Energy research has so far proven to be singularly not useful for anything practical, though the technologies used to build ultra complex particle accelerators had many useful off-shoots. these are the reasons the US for example has all but abandoned building new accelerators (like the one that was planned for texas, for example). In America it’s hard to justify spending oodles of money for pure research unless something “useful” can be shown as coming out of it. I will say no more, but will confess to know “something” about high energy particle research (not necessarily the experimental part). That being said, a career in accelerator Physics can make an excellent cover for lots of travel all over the place, and involvement in just about any field and any area. the down side is that such pursuits tend to be all-consuming with little time or interest left for daring-dos or extraneous plots. Anyways, far be it from me to damp cold water on any direction anyone chooses to pursue. Sometimes the most significant finds are accidental.
Mochyn69
6 Nov, 2012 – 3:58 pm that Paris Match ref. you gave was MOST interesting even in the original French and mechanical translation. I have seen the photo before of the “press pack crawling over the scene” as you so graphically describe it, especially when there was forensic evidence still there, but I don’t think I read the piece before. The builder’s account of the time the BMW passed at 2.40 pm is much more convincing by virtue of the narrowness of the road, that they had just finished their lunch break, it would seem the corroboration of the owners of the property, “John and Vivienne Beweek”, who had arrived to check progress, and the detail of his account. That’s FOUR witnesses not one, which reinforces the account if true. Also the fact that he positively places a little girl in the front. It’s what we thought but I hadn’t seen it confirmed before by an eye witness. I am now convinced they did indeed pass that spot in Chevaline (although still not clear exactly where it is)at about 2.40 pm. It puts them at the car park at about 2.50 which was my original estimate which is good. It also means that the police report of a photo at Doussard is either fake or the timer was still on English time. It also makes the report look suspiciously and intentionally confusing.
Also for the first time specific evidence of the sound of shots from TWO witnesses who co-incidentally are 15 year old son, “Melvin”, riding illegally on his 125 cc bike in the forest (again it would be helpful to know the exact location) and his father back at the village cutting his hedge. The son takes not much notice so does not check the time, but he is still in the vicinity as he sees the emergency vehicles arriving, and makes a hasty retreat by an unidentified “big detour”, presumably fearful that his illegality might result in problems if caught. Is it possible the tyre marks referred to by reporters were his? It is interesting to contrast the fact that he heard “lots of shots” above the noise of his motor bike, yet WBM apparently heard nothing on a push bike isn’t it? Anyway his father even hears the shots about three miles away back at the village and pins them to 3.30 pm. So now the time line is firming up on the back of what appears solid evidence. This report puts WBM’s arrival at 3.45 pm and rather amazingly Phillipe Didierjean’s at before 3.48 pm as it rather uncritically allots the “3.48 first call” to him. Clearly this is impossible if WBM’s account is accurate, as it would give him only three minutes to do all the checks and life saving interventions and ride 3 or 400 m before meeting Didierjean. Similarly if the shooting only took about 30 seconds and we can assume they wouldn’t hang around, if Martin’s bike ride took about half an hour not only must any vehicle passing him down the road been party to the attack but MUST have passed him on the way up as well as indeed early reports indicated but not on his televised interview. The only way it might not have would have been if the vehicle had been parked up for at least half an hour before the shooting. In other words travelled up the Combe PRIOR to either or both Martin and Al Hilli – rather unlikely I would suggest. How did the killers know how and when to hit? The timing is precise because it has to be in that very brief gap between Mollier arriving and Martin arriving, who was only minutes behind him. The operation had to be finely tuned and orchestrated. It had to have someone with sight of the Al Hilli’s, confirm Mollier’s arrival and meeting whilst factoring the time it would take to travel the route. If they arrived only minutes too soon they would pass Mollier still on his bike, if minutes too late Martin would have been there too. But what if in fact Martin played the role of the signals man? It’s possible. Alternatively it could have been bike rider or “Peugeot dangerous driver” but he couldn’t have left the scene without Martin/Didierjean seeing him and they didn’t apparently, so where he was when the shooting took place or where he was so anxious to leave, we still do not know.
For anyone who hasn’t read it, filed on the 15th September, 2012, here it is again. http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Faits-divers/Actualite/Le-scenario-minute-par-minute-de-la-tuerie-de-Chevaline-555890
@ Bluebird/CD
“therwise Ali Al Hilli wouldn’t have been director of Iraqi airlines in London in 1987.”
Are you 100% sure about that?
Kathy
Am i sure about what?
Ali al Hilli was the London office director of Iraqi airlines from 1987. 100% sure.
You could not get an important job in a government entity of iraq without the agreement of saddam. 100% sure.
@ Bluebird
So he must have been a member of the Baath party.
@ Tim
I think it was last week I read for the first time Mr. Brett M. had allegedly stopped uphill to take pictures….
Can’t remember having seen this before, can you?
@ straw44berry 6 Nov, 2012 – 7:03 pm
“How much did Gary Aked get paid for his story and photo?”
There are 17 other sites like that one that broker stories.
uk.similarsites.com/site/cash4yourstory.co.uk
A page explained how these services work. They pay from £1,000 to £2,000 for interesting stories for magazines and much more for tabloids, though they warn the tabloids will exaggerate and sensationalize your story and you might not be presented as you would like. The more misery in the story, the higher the price – what Anorak UK calls “misery porn”. (While grandpa is in his garden shed watching real porn, grandma is in the kitchen wailing over misery in the world. Two innocent girls orphaned by fiends & monsters surely bumped the price way up.)
So Aked received well above £2,000 each for his two stories and pic.
Ali al Hilli was the London office director of Iraqi airlines from 1987. 100% sure.
I don’t think so. Ali’s area is airplane engineering and maintenance, in which he trained in the mid-1970s. BB, if you dispute this then copy and paste in here the information you have and name the source.
CD
This link had been posted several times, from his own website, too. I hate dumb people who dont read but write before thinking and I am sick of reposting the same links every 7 days.
Make a search on this blog and you will find it! But READ!
We are turning in circles here and wasting manpower because every week somebody else is coming up with something that had been already solved and confirmed weeks or even a month ago. Simply read, please!
Kathy
Not necessarily a member, but definitely accepted by the hussein/ibrahim government. Dont forget that there was only 1 family in the ruling position in that iraq government. No top position without their confirmation. They would not give that job to member of an unwanted or even hostile family.
Hi, have been following all your posts for the last few weeks and am still as baffled as day one.
Have just one question, which may have been answered before, if so I apologise.
Who is Alla Hussein Mohamed , a fellow Iraqi (http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/09/20/costa-link-to-french-alps-murders/) who was with Kadhim Al Hilli when he died.
Just wondered if he could be of interest in this matter.
BB, I’ve read it all… and I recall reading Ali al Hilli’s LinkedIn page – and it did not state that he was, as you say, the London office director of Iraqi airlines from 1987.
Other readers and commenters can make up their own minds as to which of us is, to use your insult, dumb. Meanwhile, if I am wrong, prove it. If you can’t then you are wasting your time and everyone else’s with supposition masquerading as fact.
Moreover, when it suits you, you resort to lines like, What he said about the reason why they left Iraq, I would not really take for granted. What objective grounds do you have for disbelieving him?
I think he was something like technical support manager. Still would need approval from Baghdad though as those sort of placements are highly sought after.
CD
I told you about his own website but not about linkedin. About his own websote i posted 2 links and i remember katie posting the website content only 1 week ago. I am giving alwayslinks for my research and i always tell where i got the facts from. Period. I am sorry for you when you are unable to read and it would be even worse when you cant remember after 2 weeks onky about what you did read.
They’re good to give an impression of the approach view of someone cycling up the hill (you’ve no doubt read my critique of WBM’s account seeing Mollier first, when I think the evidence of blood stains puts him behind the car and thus out of sight) but they are quite useless for locating the lay bys in relation to everywhere else. For that you need a fairly wide angle aerial view, in fact the more the better. I had to look at quite a lot before I was sure where it was but why weren’t the papers on the ball with this. I could be wrong and am quite happy to be corrected but I have not come across one newspaper to print a clear location map. Indeed as I mentioned above, they have specifically and deliberately identified the wrong one some distance away. Could this have a more sinister reason even? Was the illustrated lay by further up the mountain the one that had been chosen and somehow released to the press, when for some reason the lower one was the actual crime scene or is this taking conspiracy or confusion to breaking point. What is indisputable is that the papers got the crime scene location completely WRONG.
Straw44berry
6 Nov, 2012 – 7:59 pm SORRY Straw that above post was a response to yours.
Perhaps Kathy, but I think being technically trained to an internationally accepted grade and (presumably) fluent in both languages might have been more important.
@ CD
True, but their are numerous Iraqis in that category. It would still be considered a plum job and would go to a party loyalist more likely.
Ali Al Hilli Iraqi Airlines
http://www.giyf.com
“Joined Iraqi Airways as an Aircraft Engineer & later held the positions of Fleet Manager, Technical Control Manager & Customer service manager. Was stationed at London for one year as Technical representative for Iraqi airways. While in Iraqi Airways, Ali Has attended numerous technical courses to the United States, United Kingdom & Germany.”
@Bluebird
Keep up the good work!
🙂
I think someone declared open season on bluebirds today…
🙁
Never mind… just keep going…
So many good things have come out of your research… the CIA links etc etc. The quote from Saddam about the world only finding out in 100 years why he did what he did, which makes perfect sense with him as a CIA asset.
Strangely reminiscent of Jack Ruby’s famous “the world will never know”…
The killings (if there were any) make a lot more sense as CIA than Mossad… though as Allawi said, you can work for a lot more than just one agency…
Personally I still think the Al-Hillis are alive and well somewhere. I think other bodies (previously shot point blank and embalmed) were planted in the car, then someone let off 30 secs of automatic gunfire which is what witnesses heard.
Got to go!