The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@sorensen
from:
http://www.aiforum.org.au/members.php?member=Mr%20Ali%20Hashim%20Al-Hilli
Mr Ali Hashim Al-Hilli
AIF Secretary
Victoria, Australia
Ali was born in Baghdad, finished secondary education at Baghdad College. Travelled to the UK in 1970 to finish high school and study Aeronautical Engineering. Graduated from Britains Air University in 1977.
Joined Iraqi Airways as an Aircraft Engineer & later held the positions of Fleet Manager, Technical Control Manager & Customer service manager. Was stationed at London for one year as Technical representative for Iraqi airways. While in Iraqi Airways, Ali Has attended numerous technical courses to the United States, United Kingdom & Germany.
Migrated to Australia in 1992 & worked as a Senior Aircraft Engineer at Aerospace Technologies of Australia in Victoria till 1996. Worked in Malaysian Airlines – Kuala Lumpur as an Aircraft Engineer Consultant till 1998.
Returned to Australia and joined Qantas Airways Heavy Aircraft Maintenance division as a Senior Aircraft Engineer. At present hold’s the position of Aircraft Maintenance Supervisor/Coordinator & Project Manager at the Qantas Airways Avalon facility in Victoria.
While with Qantas Airways, Ali Has attended technical, people Management, project Management & safety courses.Ali’s experience with the Aviation world spans 28 years.
Ali has strong ties to his beloved country of birth Iraq & has good ties with the local Iraqi community and Australia. While with the Australian Iraqi Forum, Ali has participated as part of a delegation to Canberra & met with the foreign senate committee, Mr. Alexander Downer & Australian government agencies. Participated in news/television conferences on issues related to Iraq.
Thanks Kenneth, I’ve got it working now.
🙂
Bluebird.
About 10 days ago there was a report in the papers about an expired credit card of Kadhims being used, I wonder why they think it’s him.
Here it is:
:French investigators want to question the brother of a British engineer murdered in the Alps over suggestions that he tried to use an expired credit card to withdraw money from a family account shortly before the massacre.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9639564/Alps-shooting-victims-brother-to-be-questioned-over-Swiss-credit-card.html
HUSSEIN ALAA MOHAMMED JAAFAR MOHAMMED
{http://www.boe.es/borme/dias/2012/01/20/pdfs/BORME-A-2012-14-29.pdf}
the proud owner of
{http://en.datocapital.com/ALAA-HERANDI-COMUNICACIONES-SL.html}
{http://en.datocapital.com/ALAA-HERANDI-SL.html}
≠
Alla Hussein Mohamed
{http://es.qdq.com/blancas/cust_bi/mohamed+hussein/}
Regarding their lack of a website, {http://quienesquien.diariosur.es/empresa/moneytrans-world-entidad-de-pago-sa-2012061580.html} –>
that looks like a website to me: http://www.moneytrans.eu/
One could do this every single time – but that would take the fun out of this thread.
I agree that all these names look very iffy in this context. One does wonder what Kadhim had with him in Spain, did his sons even know about his financial dealings/affairs over there, his carers would have had access to all bank details once he died.
It’s quite odd that Sylvain Molliers and Fréderick Bruns Death Notices are next to each other, don’t you think?
Very odd indeed… another part of the PRACTICAL JOKE™?
@ katie
“About 10 days ago there was a report in the papers about an expired credit card of Kadhims being used, I wonder why they think it’s him.”
Isn’t Zaid an accountant? Even if he isn’t I still don’t believe he would be so daft as to try using an expired card.
peter,
to understand Arab names, felix will enlighten you. Arab names aren’t written with our letters but they use not only a different language but a different writing as well. Perhaps you didn’t know that. The transscription of such names is difficult and is sometimes written differently. Even in your links, Hussein is once spelled as Hussein and in the next line it is spelled as “Husein”. Alaa and Alla are the same names, there is just a different transscription from Arab language and letters. Felix?
The name of the grandfather (who was certainly a prominent guy, otherwise he wouldn’t leave it in his papers) is certainly important for him, but I doubt that he won’t tell it the media when being interviewed and I seriously doubt that he includes the name of his grandfather within his signature. Understanding Arab names and their transcriptions and the usual errors European government officials are doing when typing those names is a key issue for finding names and family relations.
There were for instance several different spellings of Hashim al Hilli in official immigration documents. The British spelled it different than the Americans who spelled it different than the Iraqis. And even two immigration officers at the same place did spell his name differently within 5 years. There was just the address left that made it possible to confirm that this was the same person.
Examples of different European transscriptions:
Hashim A Hilli
Hashim al Hilli
Hashim Hilli
Hashim Alhilli
H Hilli
H al Hilli
H A Hilli
Hashim A Hilli
Thanks for those links.
Great find about his other business. Import/export car dealer fits into that whole business about what we had already learnt about smuggling business and money laundering business from newspapers and other reports. It’s just another piece of that puzzle and is fitting very well.
Dopey, that is exactly what I said when that news broke.
I don’t think EM is the sharpest knife in the box !
@ BB
Yeah, right, the same thoroughly westernized guy will sometimes spell his name HUSSEIN ALAA MOHAMMED JAAFAR MOHAMMED and sometimes ALLA HUSSEIN MOHAMED. I see.
That’s very convenient for a “researcher” with a search algorithm that goes something like this:
1. similar name -> same person
2. can’t find a website -> they don’t have a website -> they are probably laundering money for Hezbollah
I think that you are playing a PRACTICAL JOKE™ here 😉
@Ferret
It has to be said in all fairness, that Syivain Mollier’s advertissement is in the Remerciements section, where people give thanks to the attendance shown, whereas the advertissement of Fréderick Brun oddly is in the “Anniversaires” [~Birtday] section.
Given that one knows how much attention newspaper gives to this section of the paper [<em<It is usually the most experienced people — no junior clerk — who gets this job, because it requires a great deal of meticulous fact checking and absolutely no errors in either spelling or numbers, because a griving family would feel greatly insulted if anything were reported worng], it indeed seems possible that Frederick Brun’s advertissement was inserted later, – presumably by the person who saved this page in Google Docs. Who did that? Are any other articles from La Dauphiné Líbéré available as Google docs? Is it normal for newspapers to publish in google docs?
@ BB
I could go on and on. Remember that accountant, Inna Chayka? You claimed that her website was registered in Melbourne, right? In fact, it was registered by Melbourne IT. She has a Yahoo email-address -> everybody in the whole wide world who buys a Yahoo Small Business Web Hosting package gets his domain name registered by Melbourne IT.
Being a Yahoo user ≠ registering a domain *in* Melbourne
And you did struggle a bit with her business sideline, which involves promoting a russian-language inflight magazine for airlines… However, I have no wish to further intrude upon the elaborate hoax in progress here.
@ferret
Perhaps I am getting already paranoid with the 55 … LOL
Moneytrans is owned by General Investments Agency Ltd in London. Their address is
155 Notting Hill Gate . Perhaps just a coincidence, but we are getting paranoid about the 55, don’t we?
https://www.duedil.com/company/03245749/general-investments-agency-ltd
Director of Moneytrans (they claim that their headquarters are in Brussels, however, the owndership is in London), is Francisco Sanchez-Apellaniz.
https://www.duedil.com/director/914043573/francisco-sanchez-apellaniz-meinesz
There is another financial company at 155 Notting Hill Gate (United Europhil Ltd). Don’t know yet whether or not they are connected with General Investments. Of course, moneytrans has got their tiny London Shop in that same house of their parent company, too.
We ought to find out the ownership of General Investments Agency Ltd. That could be a key issue for further investigation.
@peter
Oh yes, a correct and serious German guy as you are. But then, being that correct and so much better than us, you should better quote correct, shouldn’t you? I had never said that they don’t have a website. Never!
quote:
B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G
In all fairness: that advertissement about Sylvain Mollier is in its right plkace in the Remerciements section, where people give thanks to the attendance shown, whereas the advertissement of Fréderick Brun oddly is in the “Anniversaires” [~Birthday] section.
Given what one knows how much attention newspaper gives to such a page [It is usually the most experienced people — no junior clerk — who gets this job, because it requires a great deal of meticulous fact checking and absolutely no errors in either spelling or numbers, because a griving family would feel greatly insulted if anything were reported worng], it indeed seems possible that Frederick Brun’s advertissement was inserted later, – presumably by the person who saved this page in Google Docs. Who did that? Are any other articles from La Dauphiné Líbéré available as Google docs? Is it normal for newspapers to publish in google docs?
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know if he was in the Pa-
jero, or if it was that Pajero which somebody
reported speeding away from the crime scene.
Bluebird……General Investmants Ltd, click:
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/directors/general-investments-agency
THEN:
5 Mar 2009 363a – Annual Return (not accounts)RETURN MADE UP TO 04/09/08; FULL LIST OF MEMBERS
see this: http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/Purchase
@ Olifant (et al)
Does your info re Roger Mollier’s death published 3 & 4 May 2011. Age 78…. List of his 4 sons and 1 daughter etc etc correspond with death notices for Sylvain Mollier murdered at Chevaline? Do the latter notices specifically mention three brothers and one sister?
peter,
Mr. “Pedantic Peter German”, your knowledge of Arab names unfortunately is primary school only. Take it easy, there are more classes to go for you.
Of course, when you present your passwort to the Western authorities, those guys won’t shorten your name. In the case that the name of your grandfather is still mentioned as part of your name in your Arab passport, European givernments will try to transcript the full name. Therefore, in company documents, you will read the name as it is written in the passport.
However, in your private life you will hardly ever write nor spell your complete passport name, particularly not including the name of your Grandfather. Even in Europe, most people who have got a Middle Name won’t tell that middle name when being asked about what their name would be by a journalist, and you definitely won’t use that Middle name as your signature either.
When a journalist would have asked Saddam Hussein about what his name is, then Saddam Hussein would have said that his name is Saddam Hussein. However, when a government official would have looked into his passport, then in his passport there were the name of his father and the adopted name of the town where he grew up, too. Saddam Hussein al Majid al Tikriti. That name would then be in a European document, too.
Of course, Mr. Pedantic Peter German would certainly understand that all those differently spelled names of Hashim al Hilli must be different people. Of course there were 7 Hashim al Hillis living in that same house. How could I forget that? I also know another house were 7 guys, all called “Peter Schmitt” are living.
katie
I don’t understand your second link in your post above. Are you sure that this was a correct link? I am getting an empty page only.
Bluebird wrote:
No, he ALWEAYS took pride in referring himself first and foremost as Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know if he was in the Pa-
jero, or if it was that Pajero which somebody
reported speeding away from the crime scene.
Sorensen,
and where is the al Majid?
Generally you can read thousands of newspapers and you’re going to find probably only one that mentions the “al-Tikriti” when there is an article about Saddam or about Iraq.
Hussein Alla Mohammed could also call himself Hussein Mohammed or Mohammed Alla or Alla Hussein in his private life. All of those versions would be valid, even for his signature.
Did journalists usually write “George Walker Bush” when mentioning the president or did they usually write “George Bush”? Of course, due to Peter Pedantic Schmitt’s theory, George Walker Bush must have been a different person than George Bush. Why didn’t they tell us earlier?
Yeah, I’ve nailed you down, Bluebird. You have antipathy and wariness towards the Germans, similar to Dutch people, but you write (quite) good English. So one of your parents came from Ireland, the other Holland, where you live today.
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
Katie
Oh my God, Daniel Dwyer must be an EXTREMELY busy guy. (*LOL*)
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/1623296/daniel-dwyer
Sure Sorensen,
my real name is Marco van Basten O’Reilly al Oranje.
Birds are flying South and North, East and West, and we’re always everywhere, even on two continents at the same time, what my German friend did already suggest here yesterday.
Could we get a little bit more serious and assist each other in that investigation rather than getting lost in personal issues?
@Felix (et al)
As far as I can tell, it is no longer possible to edit at Icke. i did edit something this morning, but a few hours later, when I wanted to insert a link, there simply wasn’t any Edit button – it had disappeared. Can you confirm this?
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If it is correct, it could be due to people inserting all kind of trash perhaps on the notorious Saville thread), after a post have been properly vetted and moderated. And this is the reason why the possibility of editing are often discontinued on these kind of boards.
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
Another translation of Fred Brun’s death notice… by someone with a lot of knowledge of French but not a native speaker…
“He used to say: If God wanted
to pull me by the hair to take me up to Heaven
He would not get there.
God has finally got there and has called [him]
to his side 29 Sept 2012.
His sudden passing has left an immense gap,
but our hearts are filled for ever with marvellous
and unforgettable memories:
the small alms which he would regularly give us
and his cultivated expresssions.
We should not regret.
Not all the stars are in Hollywood.
There are no more Indians but there are still arrows.
That’s obvious isn’t it?
There is a story to tell.
You see what I am saying.
They will stay in our memories.
We will all remember Brindille as a joyful,
generous person and assiduous/attentive.
Brindille always in our hearts and thoughts.”
A conundrum, wrapped up in an enigma.
“Arrows”? (Remeniscent of the “other” Sylvain Mollier, the bow-hunter)
“There is a story to tell”?
“You see what I am saying”?
Ok, if this article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html) is correct it would confirm the late Roger Mollier as father of SM, and the SetP connection.
I found two Daniel Dwyers on linkedin in the UK who got my attention. Our “Daniel James Dwyer” must apparently live in Bexley, Kent. Therefore I cannot see any significant connection with those two Daniel Dwyers on linkedin:
1.
Danny Dwyer
Owner, D & D Law Agency Services Ltd
Location
Bromley, United Kingdom
Industry
Legal Services
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2.
Danny Dwyer
Location
Sutton, United Kingdom
Industry
Law Enforcement
Current Civilian Contractor – Office Manager at Metropolitan Police
Previous Metropolitan Police – Head of Training Team for National Terrorism Financial Investigation Unit, National Terrorist Financial Investigation Unit, Metropolitan Police – National Terrorist Financial Investigation Unit
Education O’ Levels, English Literature; English Language, Physics, Maths, Geography & Religious Instruction at City & Guilds in Adult and Higher Learning
Career Detective with experience across a wide spectrum of high profile and sensitive investigations requiring the highest levels of security and confidentiality.
Unusually for a police officer I have experience of working with UK Intelligence Services and Overseas Governments in support of UK objectives.
I have deployed overseas both in a operational role and in a training role in the investigation of serious crime working with Overseas Law Enforcement Agencies.
Developed Vetted security status.
I have experience of working ‘off site’ in the management of confidential operations drawing on and utilising resources and expertise from outside of mainstream policing to support objectives.
Specialties
Anti Corruption, Technical Surveillance, Training, Counter Terrorist Finance, Operational Planning. Developed Vetted.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yes , Ferret, I thought about this bow-thing as well. I presume you did the translation? Can you confirm this?
Quite good [coming from you – sorry couldn’t resist :-)], but this about exchanging “expressions which have become cult [among his friends]” with “cultivated expressions” is perhaps typical for an Englishman like you, but on the continent at least, the use of “cult” in this context is very modern and “in”, and that would be what I would opt for, as to the meaning and general gist of this part of the script.
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
ferret,
that’s just conspiracy about the mentioned “arrows”, however, let’s play conspiracy for one minute. Peter the Great will surely become furious about that:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/55_ADA_COA.jpg
Can Bluebird or Ferret explain why Fréderick Brun’s Death notice appears in the Anniversaires section? It is sloppy if it’s a cut and paste job, and what’s this about this notice appearing on Sunday the 14th [of October]. What about sunday the 7th? Where is the equivalent Google doc for Sunday the 7th – that’s all I ask 8at the moment]?
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.