The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
ferret,
more arrows (allow me one more minute conspiracy, please):
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/Special_Forces/SF_Info/Insignia.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services
I guess one has to travel to a public library in Northern France and request a copy of Le Dauphiné Libéré, so it can be confirmed whether this advertissement was inserted electronically in this Google Doc. Perhaps a job for Peter?
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
sorensen
here is the original link. that link had been posted (by bluebird) on this website again and again during the past few weeks. We are turning in circles here. Let’s go forward.
http://www.ledauphine.com/fr/images/getnc.aspx?iMedia=68111275
(it is an original pdf from the le dauphine website).
Okay, I got it Bluebird. I just opened the Pdf file you linked to, and it is entirely identical to the Google doc. WHO converted this pdf-file to a Google doc? You?
Are all pages in Le Dauphiné Libéré for any day, any year, availbale as [public accesible] pdf-files? And, for that matter , are they available as Google docs? DOH!. That would be odd.
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
I haven’t seen that Shelock H. 6 Nov, 2012 – 10:25 pm. If correct Sherlock, it smacks of meddling to me. What would be the purpose of introducing a new “delaying factor” to his journey? Perhaps someone read my analysis of timings based on the fact that if Mollier was going 10% faster when he “overtook” him half way up the hill, he would knock 10% off the remaining time, of 15 minutes i’e’ 1.5 minutes!!!!!!!!!! In other words the only way to explain away the fact that Martin was virtually there at the time of the shooting taking place is to slow up his stated journey time of 30 minutes. “Taking photographs” eh? So he had a camera???? That’s a tricky one as it raises the question as to whether he used it at the crime scene. Certainly never mentioned before by Martin or anyone else and I frankly don’t believe it. If you have a reference to the quote would be interested to see.
Now, here’s a cracker!
Ferret often talks about titanium being transported in cycles. He’s got it wrong. It’s the titanium price which moves in cycles. And so i guess we can all be wrong sometimes.
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sorensen,
it was definitely not me. Perhaps it was you and you forgot about it because you did copy so much? LOL! As I said before, I won’t ever upload or copy any documents. Never! I’m submitting links and that’s it and that should be sufficient. I don’t know whether or not there are all le dauhine issues/pages available as a pdf, however, I had already seen a lot of le dauphine being available on the www as a pdf (I mean, “a lot” means well over 20)
@ferret
Here you got it all. The Indians and the Arrows within one short original text only. Perhaps this is less conspiracy than we had thought for a moment.
quote:
Emblazoned on the distinctive black and silver crest worn by Special Forces soldiers is the Special Forces motto: De Oppresso Liber, a Latin phrase that means To Free the Oppressed. Two crossed arrows symbolize the Special Forces’ role in unconventional warfare. A fighting knife is attached over the arrows, which reflect the qualities of a Special Forces soldier – straight and true. The knife, a silent deadly weapon, was used by the American Indian.
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/Special_Forces/SF_Info/Insignia.htm
ferret,
and more text:
quote:
The Special Forces officer branch inherited its insignia – two crossed arrows – from the Indian scouts, several of whom earned Medals of Honor while serving U.S. forces in almost every major campaign. Crossed arrows were a symbol of peace to the U.S. Scouts, which were inactivated in 1939. However, the crossed arrows served the 1st Special Service Force through World War II, and some Special Forces officers at Fort Bragg began wearing them unofficially on their collars in the Sixties. In April 1987 a separate branch of the Army was created for Special Forces officers, who then formally adopted the crossed arrows as their official branch insignia.
Actually that would more or less confirm my assumption that I had made – based on the facts we knew about Mollier and “quiet observer” Brun – having been one professional team and both working for the CIA and the USA as a special force.
sorensen,
That’s my translation of those 4 sentences that don’t make any sense at all.
the original text:
Not all the stars are in Hollywood.
There are no more Indians but there are still arrows.
That’s obvious isn’t it?
There is a story to tell.
bluebird’s interpretation:
Not all the special forces agents are from America
Those two are no more, but there are still many others.
That’s obvious, isn’t it?
There is a story to tell but I’m not allowed to tell.
Thanks so much Bluebird for the pdf. Now I can actually read the text!
This leads to a number of corrections to the translation I posted earlier, as M69’s guess at the word “aumones” in the hazy jpg turns out to be “surnoms”.
I’ve also replaced the word “passing” with “disappearance” which is the original word used and I think is significant.
I’m going to check the veracity of “ca faut pas faire” = “we should not regret” with my translator, it doesn’t sound right.
Bluebird, I went to General Investments Ltd, http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/general-investments-agency
I then clicked ‘Present & past directors’, I then scrolled down to ‘Termination of director or secretary’ & that brought up Shitech.
Sorry if you already know that. 🙁
@Bluebird
7 Nov, 2012 – 12:57 pm
Thanks for that. I thought I’d seen most of the links, but must have missed that one.
Clearly it’s fleches .. therefore ‘arrows’ is right. Forget about Le Floch now!
Also I can now see that it’s ‘surnoms’ not aumones so that means ‘nicknames’.. the nicknames he used to give all of us.
I think Le Dauphine Libere was the first to break the story, which was carried on the evening TV news broadcasts, someone posted a link above to the video clip. The accompanying text referred to the Prosecutor’s statement that the girl had also died.
I noticed another of the obituaries in the LDL Carnet contains a surname that we are very familiar with on here.
@Bluebird
Thanks for all the arrows – mulling all this over and consulting with my translator again… one quick qn, where did this one come from?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/55_ADA_COA.jpg
@Kenneth
I’ve never said anything about titanium being transported in bicycles. You need to have a lie down old chum!
I updated my interpretation because the arrows could likely mean “peace” due to the fact that “Crossed arrows were a symbol of peace to the U.S. Scouts” (see website link).
my first interpretation:
Not all the special forces agents are from America
Those two are no more, but there are still many others.
That’s obvious, isn’t it?
There is a story to tell but I’m not allowed to tell.
My updated interpretation:
Not all our special forces agents are Americans.
Those two are no more, but there is still peace.
That’s obvious, isn’t it?
There is a story to tell but I’m not allowed to tell.
ferret,
my guess is that this ad was secretly added (as a message?) by a guy from Le Dauphine who was his friend and who knew everything. It’s in the wrong place of the page and it looks as if it were added in the very last moment. Not even the column formatting above and below that ad is straight.
Of course that first insignia comes from a 55th, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55th_Air_Defense_Artillery_Regiment_(United_States)
However, my strong guess is, that the description and the insignia of the 55th Special Forces would fit better.
@Ferret
7 Nov, 2012 – 1:41 pm
Thanks for that and I agree.
However ‘disparition’ is another matter. It has 3 meanings, 1. Fait de disparaitre, de ne plus etre visible (disappearance, as in English), 2. Fait de ne plus exister ( ceasing to exist) and 3. Mort (death).
Larousse Compact (2011.10)
Dissembling, disinformation, detraction, the whole thing.
A question I posed some time ago – has anyone got any leads on what the purpose was of sending the 20 “military types” from the British Embassy and what did they do when apparently they arrived at the crime scene “soon after”? This action as far as I know is almost unique in domestic crime history. Does the Embassy always have twenty such staff readily available for such eventualities or was it a team that was specifically put on stand-by? To be at the crime scene so quickly tends to suggest not only that the matter was considered a top priority but also pre-planning. There has been virtual silence from British Police and Home Office despite David Cameron’s very public joint statement with Francois Hollande. The Surrey Police’s excuse for saying nothing is that the “French are leading the investigation”; the French declare that the “Explanation for the crime resides in Britain”. Tweedledum and Tweedledee?
Then there is the “D” Notice. The claim was made here early on that a “D Notice” had been issued banning any reference to Al Hilli working for British Intelligence. How reliable is this or was it just someone with an over-active imagination or creative thinking? Was it fact or fiction and on what is it based given the confidential nature of the process?
@ferret
“ca faut pas faire” I’d translate as “shouldn’t do that”. I read these as catchphrases this man used to use. Lots of people do that, in my experience.
Interesting Bluebird
7 Nov, 2012 – 1:28 pm
Tim
the D-notice was first mentioned by the late Anders. I don’t think that he had any serious evidence. I believe that this was just his guess, but when you think logic then it is logic that there was some kind of D notice. Journalists can’t be so much more dumb than we are. We got so much more than they have got, although we are doing the same thing, but we’re not getting paid for.
About the 20 MI6 guys? What’s about a “Clean Team” ? Normally there are special clean teams coming to the scene once there is secret service involved in such killings. Either being murdered or else being the killers. The clean team deletes and removes any evidence that could lead a serious police investigation into the direction of a secret service. Once the clean team had done its work, the police is allowed to begin with their own investigation. I guess that this is the reason why they were not able to see that little girl any earlier. They weren’t allowed to touch nor to remove anything at all unless the professional clean teams were there.
Now, here’s a cracker!
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Felix often talks about titanium being transported in cycles. He’s got it wrong. It’s the titanium price which moves in cycles. And so i guess we can all be wrong sometimes.
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Good point, Ferret about this pdf file of the 14th of October Le Dauphiné Libéré article being MUCH, MUCH easier to read due to its higher resolution. So, Bluebird, what was the idea of posting the Google doc version of the same article? If you’ve known the amount of time I’ve spent deciphering the words in that! Why not post the pdf original version right away?
This incidence also points to the necessecity of having a website where we publish links and known facts. This would eleminate going down routes that already has been explored, and would save us all a great deal of time.
Now, here’s a cracker!
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Felix often talks about titanium being transported in bikes. He’s got it wrong. It’s the titanium price which moves in cycles. And so i guess we can all be wrong sometimes.
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———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
sorensen
I have no idea why or why not somebody posts anything on google docs and that’s not important at all, so I don’t care. I told you that it is completely useless to repost the same links every 7 days. The links are already there and all you would have to do is that you should search for those links. Actually I hate it when the same links are being reposted every 3 days and I’ll have to open the same file again and again because I thought that this was something new. Therefore I repost links only once being definitely asked for. You did never ask me to repost that link. I had no idea about the google docs file because I knew the other link and I thought that you were working with the original link. And I thought that the google file was the same file and the same resolution as the original pdf from ledauphine.
A few facts. Could prove interesting. “5’s” keep appearing it must be said. Very little attention has been given to the possibility of US involvement. Not out of the question these days. The Rubicon of extra judicial and civilian killing has been firmly crossed and the firm commitment to allow Iran nuclear or other advance firm as illustrated by the recent Christopher Tappin case. What hypothetically would require assassination rather than prosecution?
The United States Army Special Forces, also known as the Green Berets because of their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force tasked with FIVE primary missions: unconventional warfare (the original and most important mission of Special Forces), foreign internal defense, special reconnaissance, direct action, and counter-terrorism.
Currently, Special Forces units are deployed in Operation Enduring Freedom. As a special operations unit, Special Forces are not necessarily under the command authority of the ground commanders in those countries. Instead, while in theater, SF soldiers may report directly to United States Central Command, USSOCOM, or other command authorities.
U.S. Army Special Forces is divided into FIVE active duty (AD) Special Forces groups. Due to the increased need for Special Forces soldiers in the War on Terror, all Groups—including those of the National Guard (19th and 20th SFGs)—have been deployed outside of their areas of operation (AOs), particularly to Iraq and Afghanistan.
5th Special Forces Group – Headquartered at Fort Campbell, Kentucky. The 5SFGA is oriented towards the Middle East, Persian Gulf, Central Asia and the Horn of Africa (HOA), and is frequently tasked by CENTCOM. Currently, 5SFGA and two of its battalions spend roughly six months out of every twelve deployed to Iraq as Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force – Arabian Peninsula.
Special Forces and their assigned foreign language capability but will usually last between 55 to 95 weeks. INSIGNIA: On a wreath of the colors (Argent and Sable), two arrows saltire-wise Argent – that is, two silver arrows crossed with a dagger, also silver, above them, surrounded by a black ribbon.
katie said:
Bluebird, I went to General Investments Ltd, http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/general-investments-agency
I then clicked ‘Present & past directors’, I then scrolled down to ‘Termination of director or secretary’ & that brought up Shitech.
Katie, I am unable to get that picture. I can see several “Termination of director or secretary” entries, but I can’t see Shtech there. all I get is a collectio of payments for downloads for “Termination of director or secretary”. When I had collected a bill of 20 pounds, I was finished and cancelled that whole lot, but no shtech.
@Bluebird
7 Nov, 2012 – 2:15 pm
re: the D Notice.
I don’t know if you were with us from the start, but it was the alleged D notice that drew my attention to this story.
Go right bsck to the beginning. It was originally posted by ‘Manchester Journalist’ on either cryptonome or medialens, along with some comments.
I’m sure it’s been very clearly documented.
Bluebird
7 Nov, 2012 – 2:15 pm ” late Anders”??????????????