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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Mochyn69

    @Bluebird
    7 Nov, 2012 – 2:15 pm

    Actually it was on indymedia, and first discussed on here O/T by ‘Anon’ under the London Metropolitan University thread.

    Uh oh, multiplication Captcha ..

  • Mochyn69

    Just been revisiting some of the earliest information, including the Paris Match article on Sylvain Mollier, originally published on 6 September.

    Some curious comments posted there since which I hadn’t seen before:

    The earliest by Alexandre

    Condoléances ..
    Condoléances à ses proches.. si le scénario est celui que vous décrivez,faut avouer que c’est rare d’être tué d’une balle en pleine tête,parceque le hazard a voulu que pour quelques secondes un homme innocent se trouvait à un endroit précis où il valait mieux ne pas y être .. encore une histoire digne d’un film de série noire ..

    alexandre – vendredi 7 septembre 2012 à 04h19

    ‘ once again a story worthy of a film noire series.’

    This by Fred

    Tous les scenarii possibles?
    A-t-on vraiment envisagé tous les scenarii possibles? En particulier celui où ce cycliste français aurait été LA cible de la tuerie, la famille irako-britannique ayant été là au mauvais endroit, au mauvais moment? Ce cycliste travaillait dans le domaine du nucléaire, un secteur hautement sensible en ce moment.

    Fred – samedi 8 septembre 2012 à 12h22

    ‘Have they really considered all the possible scenarios?’

    Then this from Nicky

    Ne l’oublions pas…
    @ Fred… Pensez-vous que 3 personnes non visées auraient été éxécutées et une fillette de 7 ans grièvement blessée uniquement parce qu’un cycliste qui travaillait pour Aréva aurait été la cible ? Restons logique. Il se pourrait, au contraire que Sylvain Mollier ait sauvé la vie des 2 fillettes. L’enquête le prouvera peut-être. Condoléances à sa veuve et à ses 3 enfants.

    Nicky – samedi 8 septembre 2012 à 20h53

    ‘Let’s not forget ..’

    And finally, this from Valérie

    R.I.P Sylvain
    De Sylvain, je garde le souvenir d’un visage toujours éclairé par le sourire, un véritable ami….Je suis loin maintenant et nous ne nous sommes pas revus depuis longtemps…. Je pense bien entendu à sa famille, à qui j’adresse mes plus sincères condoléances. Repose en paix Sylvain, tu ne méritais pas ça, mais que ton repos soit aussi doux que tu l’as été. Valérie.

    val73870 – mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 12h04

    http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Societe/Actu/Sylvain-Mollier-la-mort-au-tournant-426743/commentaires.html?p=1

  • Tim V

    thanks Straw44berry
    7 Nov, 2012 – 3:27 pm got it but how can we be sure it’s genuine? who is the D Notice sent to? Is there a circulation list including ALL papers or is it expected just to gravitate down? Presumably only has effect in UK? I must read it up on Wiki.

  • Mochyn69

    @Tim V
    7 Nov, 2012 – 3:55 pm

    This has been done before. Go to the London Met thread and read about it there. I’ll post a link.

  • straw44berry

    @Mochyn

    Sylvain
    Stop some believe everything told reporters the company was working or Mollier Sylvain was not a nuclear company is a steel producing stainless steel, I also worked, then stop look for commonalities between this man and brave British family, he was just there at the wrong time.
    Stangeous – Sunday, 9 September 2012 at 18:14

  • Tim V

    DA-Notice 02: Nuclear & Non-Nuclear Weapons & Equipment
    It is requested that disclosure or publication of highly classified information about nuclear and non-nuclear defence equipment or equipment used to counter threats of terrorist attacks of the kind listed below should not be made without first seeking advice:

    (a) nuclear weapons, highly classified information on:

    1. the detailed design of nuclear weapons and the technologies for producing them;

    2. operational details;

    3. detailed security arrangements for the storage, transport and development of nuclear weapons and associated fissile materials;

    (b) non-nuclear defence and counter-terrorist equipment, highly classified information on:

    1. design details, technical specifications and materials;

    2. performance figures and operational capabilities;

    3. areas of vulnerability to counter-measures.
    Rationale
    Nuclear. The release of highly classified British technical information on nuclear weapons could enable others to develop such weapons which would be in breach of the British Government’s non-proliferation obligations and ultimate disarmament objectives. Release of highly classified operational plans and security arrangements could potentially jeopardise the safety and security of our nuclear forces and reduce their deterrent value.
    Non-Nuclear and Counter-Terrorist. The disclosure of highly classified information about equipment used for defence and counter-terrorism purposes could enable potential enemies or terrorists to devise effective counter-measures more quickly, to speed up the development of their own weapons and equipment and to alter their operating methods so that attacks which might otherwise have been frustrated could prove successful.

  • Tim V

    DA – Notice 05: United Kingdom Security & Intelligence Services & Special Services
    Information falling within the following categories is normally regarded as being highly classified. It is requested that such information, unless it has been the subject of an official announcement or has been widely disclosed or discussed, should not be published without first seeking advice:

    (a) specific covert operations, sources and methods of the Security Service, SIS and GCHQ, Defence Intelligence Units, Special Forces and those involved with them, the application of those methods*, including the interception of communications, and their targets; the same applies to those engaged on counter-terrorist operations;

    (b) the identities, whereabouts and tasks of people who are or have been employed by these services or engaged on such work, including details of their families and home addresses, and any other information, including photographs, which could assist terrorist or other hostile organisations to identify a target;

    (c) addresses and telephone numbers used by these services, except those now made public.
    Rationale. Identified staff from the intelligence and security services, others engaged on sensitive counter-terrorist operations, including the Special Forces, and those who are likely targets for attack are at real risk from terrorists. Security and intelligence operations contacts and techniques are easily compromised, and therefore need to be pursued in conditions of secrecy. Publicity about an operation which is in train finishes it. Publicity given even to an operation which has been completed, whether successfully or not, may well deny the opportunity for further exploitation of a capability, which may be unique against other hostile and illegal activity. The disclosure of identities can prejudice past, present and future operations. Even inaccurate speculation about the source of information on a given issue can put intelligence operations (and, in the worst cases, lives at risk and/or lead to the loss of information which is important in the interests of national security. Material which has been the subject of an official announcement is not covered by this notice.
    * even when used by the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA). This is intended purely to protect national security and not to inhibit normal reporting on law enforcement.

  • Mochyn69

    @Tim V
    7 Nov, 2012 – 3:55 pm

    It starts on the London Met thread with:

    Anon
    6 Sep, 2012 – 1:13 pm

  • Q

    @Bluebird: Your link leads to this link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Artillery

    Missiles, anti-aircraft artillery, more arrows, and more links:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1097_Avenger

    Iraq, Boeing, directed energy weapons, NATO, etc.

    I’m tempted to misquote Shakespeare about the slings and arrows of this particular outrageous fortune in Chevaline (which shares a name with a certain missile scandal:

    http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/25/messages/15.html
    http://www.cnduk.org/information/briefings/trident-briefings/item/101-cnd-special-report-the-next-chevaline-scandal

  • Mochyn69

    alexandre – vendredi 7 septembre 2012 à 04h19

    Sorry, my bad. Make that:

    ‘ another story worthy of a film noire series.’

    They were getting the script out very early on!

  • bluebird

    Q,

    thanks for the GREAT link regarding Trident, Polaris and Aldermaston, ect.
    That piece reads not unlike this blog, and btw., all those names of labs mentioned in this report are already very common to us. That would even explain the participation of a RAF intelligence person in a covert up activity.

    We should find out about why the codename of the 1960tees project was “Chevaline”: There must have been a reason. Are there no documents of the history regarding this old nuclear project available?

  • Mochyn69

    Anybody looked closer at that PDF of Le Carnet de Jour yet?

    See anything familiar in the obituary notice for Monsieur Bernard PETTEX ancien de AFN?

    AFN = Ancien Combattants d’Afrique du Nord

    Afrique du Nord = Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia.

  • bluebird

    While checking the citizens of Ugine on that very website, I came across a Frederic Mollier (born 1965, approx. 2 years older than Sylvain), who is director of an Annecy security and surveillance company. They secure high risk companies, etc. Wasn’t Frederic one of Sylvain’s brothers mentioned in the “carne”??

    http://copainsdavant.com/p/frederic-mollier-857703
    http://www.securitas.com/fr/fr/A-propos-de-Securitas/Nos-agences/agences-Surveillance/Annecy/

  • Q

    @Bluebird: The official line is that the name came from a zoo, based on the “antilope chevaline”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline

    Named after a randomly-chosen zoo animal? Chevaline can also be used to refer to horse meat. What happened to old artillery horses, anyways?

    Not related, but look what was sunk in the ground in the foothills of the German Alps during WWII:

    http://greyfalcon.us/restored/AN%20INVENTORY%20OF%20NAZI%20SECRET%20WEAPONS.htm

    An early directed energy weapon.

  • Kempe

    “We should find out about why the codename of the 1960tees project was “Chevaline”: There must have been a reason. Are there no documents of the history regarding this old nuclear project available?”

    From the Wiki article quoted above:-

    In the end the higher levels of the British political system decided against the urgings of their own Chiefs of Staff and went with the penaid approach on the existing A3T missile. This decision was made official late in 1973 by the Edward Heath administration, who changed the name from Super Antelope to Chevaline. The name ‘Chevaline’ was the result of a telephone call to London Zoo from an official at the Ministry of Defence. Prompted by a request for a name-change from his boss, the Secretary of State for Defence, Lord Carrington, the official asked the zoo to ‘imagine an animal like a large antelope’ and inquired whether there was such a beast. The zoo told him there was a South African creature called a Chevaline, and the official ‘thought that sounded rather good’.[2] (The creature to which the zoo was probably referring was the Roan Antelope, Hippotragus equinus which is known in French as ‘Antilope chevaline’.)

  • bluebird

    felix,

    this is from Cathy Ouvret Buffet website and it would fit with the children and the sports. Actually, she would have been the ideal partner for Sylvain

    Ma situation familiale : marié(e)
    J’ai 2 enfant(s)
    Dans ma vie professionnelle, je suis chef d’entreprise
    je suis satisfait(e) de mon job et je ne souhaite pas en changer
    Aujourd’hui, j’habite au vert
    Mes principaux loisirs : sport, voyages
    Les instruments de musique que je pratique : aucun
    Les sports que je pratique : gymnastique, musculation
    Mes lectures préférées : romans policiers
    Mon véhicule : un 4×4
    Mes animaux de compagnie : chiens

    PASSIONS
    Fitness
    Romans policiers
    Gymnastique
    Musculation
    Sport
    Parents
    Voyages
    Chien

    http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/membre/5886928/1320796688/cathy_ouvrier_buffet_bianco/

  • Mochyn69

    @Bluebird
    7 Nov, 2012 – 5:19 pm

    Mon véhicule : un 4×4

    Well, well, well .. maybe not any more, it isn’t!

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Hilarious , dear Kempe. Or as the Norwegians would put it: Kjempe fint!

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

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  • bluebird

    Unfortunately there is not much about Lydia Ringot and I didn’t find any sports relations of her. No cycling, no skiing, no running, nothing. It doesn’t mean that there is nothing, I just didn’t find anything. I agree with felix, this is the more unlikely partner and I would like to know about who brought her into this discussion and why?

    http://copainsdavant.com/p/lydie-ringot-sclosa-16554090

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