The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Tim V
7 Nov, 2012 – 3:55 pm
Re: Evidence for “D Notice”?
In addition the “Manchester Journalist” stuff:
See Craig’s 2nd blog “The Al-Hilli Conumdrum”
{http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum/?showall=1}
Look at Craig’s comment at the top and posts by “JaneSmith” & “Geronimo”
lower down about disappearing posts in The Guardian CiF reader comments section that make any mention of nuclear connections etc.
I can confirm what “JaneSmith” & “Geronimo” say as I was looking at CiF when those post appeared and they disappeared without trace later in the day. I’ve never seen that done before (usually if a post gets moderated the post stays there but the text is replaced with a message to say it fell foul of the rules. It doesn’t just disappear).
Evidence of a “D Notice”? I don’t know.
It could also be because of this lot: {www.cifwatch.com} who seem to monitor CiF for what they regard as anti-Semitism (I suspect that really means anti Zionism & anti Israeli government). But the CiF moderators seem to be scared of them.
The whole thread, for anyone who wants leisure reading:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=1927662
@Bluebird
7 Nov, 2012 – 5:19 pm
Well, well, well, Numero Deux.
Did you see this on Cathy Ouvrier Buffet BIANCO’s webpage???
VOYAGES DANS LE MONDE
J’y suis allé
Espagne 1 058 questions
Maroc 849 questions
Tunisie 737 questions
Italie 736 questions
Turquie 349 questions
Irlande 213 questions
Mexique 204 questions
Brésil 92 questions
Dassault Rafale connected to Afghanistan, Libya, UAE, the launching of miniature satellites and the Airbus A380:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale
Mochyn, felix
What is significant about cathy ouvret-buffet:
She says that she has 2 children but not mentioning them in her family link. Just her sister in law?
Normally a mother is proud of her children.
Can anybody confirm frederic mollier being the brother?
I think that i read his name in the funeral ad in le dauphine next to his other brother and sister. Sorensen do you have this ad where ginolin family is mentioned?
@ BB:
http://www.libramemoria.com/fr/carnet/ugine/savoie/sylvain-mollier-bb0d023f32194e358b1b5b601cf4bc2f.html
Why is SM’s dob always being concealed?
@Bluebird Mochyn.
There are two hairdressers at Lydie. (I don’t mean the other one mentioned at the address – this one is Julie The other has as a FB friend a Leo Mollier.
Not sure if this is relevant. More tomorrow. Busy now.
(can anyone remind me of the teenagers’ names? Must be in the funeral notice, but can’t put my hands on it quickly. Thanks..
@ Ferret 7 Nov, 2012 – 12:28 pm
“Another translation of Fred Brun’s death notice…
There are no more Indians but there are still arrows.”
If nobody mentioned it previously:
Broken Arrow refers to an accidental event that involves nuclear weapons, warheads or components, but which does not create the risk of nuclear war.
@NR: Oh, not another Hollywood script:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Arrow_%281996_film%29
@Felix: Leo is mentioned as one of SM’s sons in the notice provided (again) by Sherlock H – post just above yours. We don’t know who is the infant, but it could well be that leo Mollier is one of the teenage sons. In which case, the lady hairdresser must be the mother and ex-wife (what other reason is there for an adult female to ‘friend’ a male teen? if you know any please don’t mention here….)
Marlin
7 Nov, 2012 – 11:04 pm
“A keen sportsman, Mr Mollier was a father of three – Leo and Mathis, sons from his first marriage to a Ugine hairdresser, and Louis, born to his pharmacist girlfriend Claire Schutz. The child was born just months before he was murdered.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9653238/Alps-murders-Family-of-French-cyclist-Sylvain-Mollier-speak-out-for-first-time.html
Most of the key evidence in this case was destroyed by the Swiss government:
http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/closing-the-tinners-swiss-criminal-case/
Pieced together from various sources. They’re not located at 55 PG. More elegant digs.
Hakluyt & Company is a British strategic intelligence and advisory firm… a trading name of the renamed company Holdingham Group Limited. Pelorus Research is another trading activity of Holdingham Group… Hakluyt is headquartered in London and has subsidiary offices in Singapore and New York. Hakluyt fills a niche in the intelligence sector by specializing in upmarket business, with which it has been very successful.
Hakluyt avoids publicity, but is regarded as having a reputation for discretion and effectiveness among its client base. Hakluyt was founded by former officials of MI6… alleged to have employed staff to infiltrate environmental groups when working for BP and Royal Dutch Shell.
Manfred Schlickenrieder … posed as a leftist sympathizer and filmmaker while working as a spy for Hakluyt. His cover was blown when the Swiss action group began to distrust him.
Ah, ha! Is Ginolin only posing as an environmentalist and animal activist?
Previous reports that he was a spy had been based on the part-time work Heywood had done for Hakluyt … The claims were dismissed by family friends at the time. Another source close to the family scoffed at the idea, saying a real spy would hardly advertise the fact by driving around in a car with ‘007’ plates. ‘Who would be so stupid as to carve 007 on his face if he were a real spy?’ the source said. During Gu Kailai’s trial it was claimed she killed him [with cyanide] over a business deal that went sour. Police had originally said he died of ‘over-consumption’ of alcohol.
MI6 carefully said Heywood “was not on their payroll.” The person tried as Gu Kailai was not her but a hired double, apparently legal in China for the elites. Luckily, “she” was given a suspended sentence and not executed, as may have happened to Saddam’s double.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelorus
@NR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelorus_Research
I couldn’t help but notice some interesting connections there: HSBC, NATO, UN, Rolls-Royce and Imperial College. Here’s one from the list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_M._Anderson
Pilgrims go on pilgrimages.
http://benghazipost.blogspot.ca/2012/09/pilgrim-elite-training.htm
Thomas, thanks. I guess we do know which son is which. So likely the hairdresser who friended leo is his mother, one would assume – too young for a girl friend?
Don’t know why my previous comment did not appear or why nothing seems to refresh. I certainly got the complicated Math question! it’s not like it’s Boolean Agebra or matrix calculus.
The mother is most likely “lydia sclosa ringot”.
Here is the facebook page of mathis mollier where he likes salon lydia.
http://fr-fr.facebook.com/public/Mathis-Mollier
Here is a school meeting with mathis mollier where a mrs ringot is listed, too.
http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/ecole/ugine.pringolliet.elementaire/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=326
The open question remains about why the tv team was in cathy coiffeur?
The open question remains about why the tv team was in cathy coiffeur?
Probably because that was poor Lydie Ringot trying to make a living and getting press attention is my guess.
It’s just confirms a widely held view about how superfluous and sensation hungry journalists generally are. The voice over* in that particular video said, that the hairdresser in Cathy’s was supposed to be Mollier’s former wife.
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*)confirmation from French speakers wanted.
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
To be fair she has been divorced and moved on a long time ago and I think the boys should be left out of this as they have enough upheaval in their lives to deal with at this time .
@Marlin, Thomas
Thanks!! No time at present. Have taken screenshots jic. My guess is that Cezus workers told French TV that his ex-wife was a hairdresser in the town and they made for Cathy’s which is in the centre; Lydie’s (where his ex-wife may be the other hairdresser there, with FB friend in SM’s son) is a bit less easy to find, so I guess they went to the wrong place and were told there was (really) nothing to see there, with a smile.
@ Q 8 Nov, 2012 – 4:08 am
“@NR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelorus_Research
I couldn’t help but notice some interesting connections there: HSBC, NATO, UN, Rolls-Royce and Imperial College. Here’s one from the list:”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_M._Anderson
Why, I’ll bet he knows what to do with a Zombie Apocalypse. How zombies get zombified, who is zombie zero, and how many of the fiendish monsters need shooting to prevent a pandemic.
The idea of bespoke spies is so British, so tasteful, so discreet and so cool. They should have their digs on Savile Row.
Further to the murdered Mr. Heywood I mentioned above, who was not a spy and not on MI6’s payroll:
“Other neighbours in Claygate described Mr Al-Hilli as a devoted family man who ‘had no enemies’. George Aicolina said: ‘This doesn’t add up. He’s no Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I very much doubt the Establishment would want to get rid of him.”
@Pink
I agree
We know pretty well nothing about SM though. Why the wall of silence? (which might explain why he was killed. Which is what we are all here for)
Yes, of course this has to be it. But what a strange coincidence that the journalist burst into the same house where Frederick Brun lived. it’s a small world, as they say, but nevertheless strange that while covering a story about one prematurely deceased Ugine’nian, she burst into the house where a man live, who also was to die prematurely 24 days later.
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
@SoftCat
why do you want SM’s date of birth?
Eric Maillaud identified him thus on 6 Sept:
1230 GMT: The cyclist who died was Sylvain Mollier, born in 1967, who was identified by the local mayor, the prosecutor says.
If you are really searching for a fact which ought to be easily established, but is nowhere in the public domain, try this: when did the Al-Hilli family leave the UK? Why isn’t it?
Do anyone have statistics for people who died prematurely, i.e. young between 5 Septemper and 29 October in Ugine. It can’t be that many, witness that Le Dauphiné Libéré on Sunday 14 October was still running adverts (pdf) about the two, and they were the only prematurely deceased to have adverts at that time.
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
Sorry,
between 5-29 Septemper
———–
The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
felix,
the mother definitely is a Mrs. Ringot. It’s listed in that school meeting as the mother. There are 8 kids and 8 mothers listed. One of the kids is Mathis Mollier who seems to be an elected representative of his primary school first school year class in 2008. The kids were accompanied by their mothers. There are 8 names of mothers listed. One of those names is Mrs. Ringot. I don’t think that the other 7 mothers are fitting to Mathis. Then there is Mathis’ facebook where he says that he likes Salon Lydia.
What is unusual is that there is NOTHING about son Leo. It looks as if he were a ghost. No sports results, no school meetings, no friends, no social connectivity. That is unusual. Perhaps he is the younger kid and he is perhaps only 3 or 4 years old. That would explain the lack of information. However, if he is a teen as somebody had suggested, then it looks as if the “Clean Team” had done a good job on the internet. But perhaps he is younger than Mathis and only 3 or 4 years old. That would also explain the lack of information about him.