The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Straw
Was it a beemer
yes I only looked for bmws lol
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-318-2-0-Petrol-2004-Ci-Sport-Convertable-/150838826299?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item231eb1d53b#ht_1136wt_1182
Har har har har har!
😀
No feedback as a seller, 34 as a buyer 28 in the last year of those 20 in the last 6 months
SUZUKI VITARA 98-05 TAILGATE OUTER REAR DOOR HANDLE NEW
For a crying sunglasses wearing flower giving neighbour
LOL 😀
@Straw
Are you following the laser line of sight?
“Al Hilli General Trading Co LLC”
Is this not just someone else with the same name?
According to director check website, Julian Frank Stedman has been director of 30 companies.
Looking at other directors of his companies, have found 2 other Stedmans…
Linda Jean Hume Stedman (DOB 1945) is presumably Julian’s wife AND a Siobhan Steadman (DOB 1978) maybe their daughter.
No other male Stedman’s listed, but a google search of Siobhan Stedman takes me to a geneology website showing a Timothy Frank Kain Stedman as being married to Siobhan Flynn, so Siobhan Stedman (nee Flynn) must be Julians Daughter-in-law.
Timothy Frank Kain Stedman (DOB 1970) was secretary of Gemelli Limited, which now shows Siobhan as director. His appointment as secretary was terminated 15/03/2011. The registered address for Gemelli is 33 FOLEY ROAD, CLAYGATE
ESHER
SURREY
KT10 0LU
Same as for all of Julian Stedman’s companies.
Timothy’s address on Director check is listed as
100 Speer Road
Thames Ditton
Surrey
KT7 0PP
192.com records show him living at this address with Julia Campbell, Richard Mead, and Siobhan Flynn for the electoral roll for 2003, 2005, 2006. Then nothing listed until 2012 electoral register where it says he and Siobhan are living at an address in West Molesey (not far away).
DId a bit of digging and both Siobhan and Tim entered the 2011 Spring BallBuster Triathlon but failed to finish. More links to cycling, as it included a 24 mile bike ride!! Wonder if that is how he knows Saad. Which was the triathlon that Brett Martin entered? Wonder if Timothy was a ‘mutual friend’!
@Straw – I did an ebay search and my 1st cheapish car I look at was here:-
http://www.saidmotors.co.uk/
Saad & Zaid its gotta be doesnt it?
Sounds good, but alas no… According to companycheck .co.uk It’s registered to Mr Ahmed Shaker Said who has been running the company since 2008.
@ ferret
@Dopey
Where is the Burghfield facility of the AWE… is that near Reading also?
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Till today I didn’t realise there were two sites. I thought Aldermaston WAS the Burghfield site.
Yes. The Burghfield site is near Reading. It’s closer to Reading than Aldermaston is and in a rural area but very close to the M4. I can’t remember there being much to see – it was the obvious high security of the perimeter fences and armed guards with dogs sometimes seen patrolling them that I remember. I think it’s off J11 or J12 of the M4 (the junction for Majewski stadium) and to the West of the M4 at that point is rural/country lanes leading to Burghfeld.
Hi Mollie,
Missed you
Good work on the Stedmans
Real shame about Said Motors it seemed such a good idea for a name for the 2 of them. Another dead end but the BMWs the postman mentioned have to go somewhere.
Otherwise Saad is just repairing/getting parts for neighbours.
Thanks Straw, didn’t make it to Claygate the other day, hopefully one day this week.
Bloody work!! Would much rather spend my days on here! lol
A car dealership in dubai would actually fit very well with hezbollah money laundering activities.
Many of you make errors in zreating shia family thinking likewise to western christian thinking. You focus too much on the individual like you would do in western culture. Shias think as families and tribes. Focus on the family and you understand much better the backgrounds.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45189/meet-hezbollahs-detroit-used-car-dealers-i-warned-mi-cops-fbi-years-ago/
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/world/middleeast/us-sues-american-and-lebanese-businesses-it-says-helped-hezbollah-money-laundering.html?_r=0
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=15170802
http://www.sjlmag.com/2011/12/birmingham-car-dealership-mentioned-in.html?m=1
Note to Dave Brooker – Saad was left the house by his mother who died approx ten years ago. His father subsequently moved (for the climate) to an apartment previously bought (c 20 yrs ago) in Malaga for a reported €50,000 (or it’s currently – post bubble – worth €50,000).
Brother Zaid reportedly owns a house worth £250k, in which his son lives, but lives in a flat near his place of work – all in Surrey.
Regarding the laptop worth £20,000 – that may be a syntax issue in the way his ownership of ‘four computers and a laptop’ worth £20,000 was reported.
Re Sylvain Mollier.
Questions presuppose SM was not just a bystander.
Is there certainty regarding the length of paternal leave he was on? Was it three years (as I think was reported) or three months? The longer he may have been away from his place of work (paid/unpaid?) the less likely I think he would have been selling sensitive material or information. However, he might possibly have been recruited by intelligence service(s) as a way of ‘outing’ people who were looking to buy material or information.
Had these men (SM +SAH) met before? How would they have got in contact if they had not met before?
Mollie – We all work but we all spend most of it on here! haha!
@Mollie
Good work. (Stedman’s daughter(Ancestry) is Samantha Jean)
Do you really believe French journalists came knocking on Stedman’s door early on the morning of 6th September? My feeling is that he was sent in to bat quickly, and it wasn’t “French Journalists” who knocked him up.
Don’t forget to look for caravans at 33 Foley Road!
@Kempe
Time waster. You seem to know nothing about Cook.
@Ferret
Good to remember Franck & co from Le Matin. As with Mme Pelletier, they make no further appearance in the press/media. Pelletier’s account is shorn of detail, with no mention of location, purpose. If these stories were fed to the Telegraph, we would be suspicious. What if these are also fake stories fed to JDD? Get the narrative over early and it’s plain sailing.
All the speculation about Reading / Swindon: we don’t even yet know when the Al-Hilli’s went on holiday, we don’t even know when they crossed the channel . No journalists are even curious about this key fact, and Mr Stedman won’t say which the day was. Some say the family were gone for 3 weeks or more, some 1 week. Where’s Hilli?? Nobody wants to know.
“Note to Dave Brooker – Saad was left the house by his mother who died approx ten years ago. His father subsequently moved (for the climate) to an apartment previously bought (c 20 yrs ago) in Malaga for a reported €50,000 (or it’s currently – post bubble – worth €50,000).”
So why would the mother bypass the father with the house?
And why all of a sudden when post father dying is there a row over the house between the brothers?
Alhilliuae.com is running on a server in the usa (missouri) and the domain is covered ba privacy protection qld australia.
It is unusual to protect domains of legit businesses.
Car dealing in dubai is per definition no business that needs privacy protection. Particularly when the family name is part of the business already. Quite strange.
“Alhilliuae.com is running on a server in the usa (missouri) and the domain is covered ba privacy protection qld australia.”
Other than the same name, is there anything that links the car dealership to our Al-hilli?
@Mollie
ref here
http://www.tqsi.info/genealogy/familygroup.php?familyID=F582&tree=stedman_uk
@ dave brooker 1 Oct, 2012 – 1:52 pm
The report of the conflict over the family home – where brother Zaid was reportedly living until recent times – is as solid/shaky as nearly every other ‘fact’ in the press about this story. A family dispute, if such exists, may concern something other than the house and may be related to their father’s estate about which facts are equally sketchy. One could speculate that Zaid’s house was bought for him by his father and that it was considered part of his family inheritance, as the Claygate home may have been part of Saad’s inheritance signed over in his parents’ lifetime. The bottom line is we just don’t know. Maybe they were extremely canny about how they managed their financial affairs, taking account of family gift and inheritance regulations to maximise the benefit to the next generation.
It seems he had links to Claygate long before he was married, I assume he just moved in when his father moved to Spain?
I still think money is at the root of all this…
@Dopey
Yes. The Burghfield site is near Reading. It’s closer to Reading than Aldermaston is and in a rural area but very close to the M4. I can’t remember there being much to see – it was the obvious high security of the perimeter fences and armed guards with dogs sometimes seen patrolling them that I remember. I think it’s off J11 or J12 of the M4 (the junction for Majewski stadium) and to the West of the M4 at that point is rural/country lanes leading to Burghfeld.
Interesting… thanks.
Mr Al Hilli Senior was loaded – millions by some accounts, with properties all over the show.
Somehow, I don’t think his sons would be left wanting a bob or two… Particularly with SAH’s frugal lifestyle, as mentioned earlier…
@Ferret
I think I have found the owners of the property which was being renovated.
John and Vivienne Bewick.
Ashdown Site Investigation Ltd
Swanborough Farm
Swanborough
Lewes
East Sussex
BN7 3PF
http://www.ashdownsi.co.uk/
Just outside Brighton!
They live in Well Green Lane, Kingston (no relation) near Lewes.
Key witnesses potentially because their anonymous builder “Laurent” says he saw the girl in the front seat of a BMW and two woman behind. Where is their French property? Who is Laurent, and why has no UK media chased up this lead (if it is true)? Who is Laurent aged 35? The Bewicks will know.
Two issues I would expect the media to be exploring now –
1) Are the family happy with how the investigation is being handled?
2) Is the British Iraqi community happy that the murders are being treated with due seriousness by the FCO and Surrey police?
“Are the family happy with how the investigation is being handled?”
They’re either dead or too scared to complain.
Note how criptic they’ve been.
I think Mollie has posted about Laurent Fillion-robin and Masonic Stone company (on David Icke) hunting for it now……….
@Felix
Well done! Top sleuthing!!
🙂
Do you have a link to the article where Laurent is reported? I hadn’t seen that.