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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • straw44berry

    I think FB from the pdf working at Areva is much more likely. If you told me he chauffeured SM(never on a bike) to the car park in his car, parked nearby to observe and drove away like a bat out of hell I would believe you.

  • Shelock H.

    Strawberry,
    I take that this family rents out an appartement (link) The number is, how to get in contact with them (Ugine)

    The FB from St. Paul… is a proff. cyclist as I get it and doesn’t fit to our FB- he looks quite alive

  • Tim V

    Last night when I tried to access this site it was unavailable/run out of bytes. Did others meet a similar problem or was it just me? Welcome back anyway.

  • bluebird

    Yes shelock

    I mean that Brun. I posted a linkedin link above with some more information than there is on your link.

    There is no link to Ugine, though, i dont trust the press releases anymore. E.g. the strange Brun picture in ledauphine, mathis to be said only 7 years old, the mess about the timing of the accident, etc.

    When you cant trust facts then you must challenge the investigation with logic.

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    You all have to remember: Where did the name Frédérick Brun come from in the first place. I think it was Peter who mentioned that he was trawling through the recent deaths (after the 4×4 Pajero had crashed on 29 September) and found the a F.B. from Ugine has died. Which was fairly correct, judging by the advert (pdf)

    Peter on
    9 Oct, 2012 – 10:46 am

    It looks as if the man who was killed in the Pajero was a local man
    http://www.libramemoria.com/fr/carnet/ugine/savoie/frederic-brun-da3f9c55c47040baaf8d0d2182a6770a.html

    Peter on 9 Oct, 2012 – 6:31 pm

    Linking the name of Frédéric Brun with this accident was nothing but an inspired guess on my part, arrived at by trawling through local death notices. Those death notices list him as F. B. de Ugine. His partner lives in Ugine. There is nothing whatsoever to tie him to another of the many other Frédéric Bruns in France.

  • Shelock H.

    Need help form the insiders/hardlliners here
    re Ferderic Brun from Ugine (the dead one)
    (sorry, but I don’t have the time to go back and search- as I know it had been already mentioned/discussed here)

    I just googled “page blanche” once again, for Frederic Brun Ugine
    What I got was a Frederique Brun from Ugine
    this one here:
    http://www.manageo.fr/fiche_info/752924191/14/pollier-brun-frederique-josette.html

    Now I’m a bit shocked – are you aware that Frederic and Frederique makes a big difference??
    So you guys here – when you’re talking about the dead Frederic Brun involved in Cosmetics etc- you took it on that “route” ??
    Is it possible you didn’t realize the spelling difference?

    Same, when I googled S&P – there’s this Madame Brun (FrederiQUE) again.
    No Frederic Brun – at least to me

    Please – explain me what’s about that.
    May be we are in some “routes” on the wrong route

    ________________
    Furthermore, I want to point out, that Ugine is a small town with only approx. 7.000 inhabitants. So, most likely that they all know (more or less) each other.
    Rumours, gossip etc – if there’d be a wrong pictures in death notices or strange accidants around the massacre…. etc etc etc

    At the moment I have just got millions of ???? in my head.
    Hope you can help

  • straw44berry

    Someone did point out the difference the spelling makes maybe a month ago, but from memory they were saying dont look at the female spelling as its not the person we are looking for. Perhaps they were saying we are looking for a man.
    Misinformation or misdirection on here perhaps?

    Who paid for the recent obit with Kenneth’s FB photo??

  • Shelock H.

    @ Kenneth,
    just see what you posted while I was typing my last post.

    Yes, indeed, I was asking yesterday here on this forum from where they ore somebody got the idea it the dead Frederic Brun could be connected with the accident.
    Facts, proofs. So far no answer re that.

    PLUS, if somebody was just guessing that- PLUS messed with Frederic (a man’s name) with Frederique (woman’s name)
    we might have been wasted a lot of time….

    ????

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Tahts a very interesting link, Shelock. Frederique has her beauty salon in no. 12 on the Bianco street, but Bluebird has always maintained, that it belonged to Frédéric Brun. So now Bluebird has been proven wrong on that point, and can I take it that he is also wrong that Frédérick Brun lived in number 5 (where Cathy’s Coiffure is). Because , as you said, the town is so small, that it would be unlikely indeed if a Frederique has a beauty salon across the street from where a Frédéric lives. Indeed it seems far-fetched that the two should live in such a small town.

  • Tim V

    If you are right Bluebird 10 Nov, 2012 – 8:43 pm we have to ask why in a clean-up would they leave glass, blood stains, tyre marks and bullet casings. We can only go on what we see from that early aerial photo on the 5th BEFORE the clean-up. I agree the official reports are more confusing and unreliable but there is a consistent report of a pile of casings next to the rear off-side of the car, and this tends to be supported by close up photos taken on the 7th that appear to show what I take to be blackened earth from fire from the hot casings? It is these that lead to the conclusions relating to guns, firing positions from the bullet marks, body positions from blood marks, vehicle movements from tyre marks, that lead to the crime sequencing I have postulated, which importantly DOES NOT support the official version in several respects.

  • Tim V

    Apologies but I think I might be wrong on one significant point above i.e. the date of the aerial Hoskins photo which I guess was 6th not 5th. We don’t have access to all the early police photographs by the first responders which would settle the matter but I am fairly satisfied that the DM photos on the 6th accurately represent the situation as discovered. It is the interpretation of what is seen that I fundamentally disagree with.

  • Tim V

    frederic Le Brun
    Managing Director chez UUDS
    Paris Area, France | Aviation & Aerospace
    Current: Directeur Général chez UUDS Past:Directeur Général chez AERTEC, Responsable Pôle Achat Cabin Interior chez Air France Industries, Responsable du changement Direction de la Mainte… Education: Conservatoire National des Arts et Métiers / CNAM, EDHEC Business School, INSTITUT AERONAUTIQUE JEAN MERMOZ

  • James

    I think Eric knew a thing or two about the villages in the area !
    Hence his 10 year comment.

    When Bernard “the twig” Brun kicked the bucket, I bet Eric just rolled his eyes !

    Some of those chilren in those villages have very very big ears..
    Has anyone noticed that !!!!

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Yes you’re absolutely right, Shelock. I think Bluebird has some explanation to do. He was wrong about who had a beauty salon in no 12, and so he is probably wrong about who lived in no 5. I personally spend quite some time speculating that Frédéric was in a video recorded in no 5 (Cathy’s Coiffure) – which is plain stupid (onso many counts), if there was never a chance that Frédéric lived there, but instead Frederique (completely different spelling)

  • Shelock H.

    Kenneth,
    so, I’m curious about BB’s next post re this.

    I also spent too much time on that.
    If he got it wrong indeed that would be more then embarrasing.. puuuhhh
    but let’s see what he has to say.

    Now, when we’re about to “clean-up” here:
    Please, do me a favour and correct at David Icke what you wrote about Sylvain Mollier. It’s def NOT the man with the cap, the hunter. I posted a link yesterday – which proofs that 100%.
    May be you could make a comment on this, as I think it’s quite embarassing to people to get linked with that. Innocent ones.
    We have to be quite careful about that, eg spelling names correctly each time and again.
    I mean, we can be sure that these blogs are followed by press and other institutions. So it gives a pretty unprofessional look to these hobby-dedectives.
    Even, if you mind me, when you try to find out who might be the father of Leo and Mathis etc. by noses or so. That’s ridiculous, as I said yesterday.
    May be you could make some excuse? That would be quite a nice thing, as I guess, that this Mollier with cap in the press was due to us (or related to us)
    Don’t take it too personally, but I just think we have to me more careful.
    Thanks a lot for listening!!

  • Shelock H.

    so go on Strawberry, to give all gossip here and end.
    If you manage to let me know your bank account I’ll take 50% of the fee.
    As a “pay respect” 😉

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    I already said that in the beginning: ATTENTION! There is no proven family link between this man and Leo and Mathis. But know I can’t edit anymore (its only possible for the first 24 hours) – but I actually issued a warning in red at the beginning, that posting of this photo was for reference only, i.e. for seing if the kids could have gotten the nose from him.

  • Shelock H.

    re my post at 2:04

    I said

    “May be you could make a comment on this, as I think it’s quite embarassing to people to get linked with that. Innocent ones.”

    I have to correct myself- innocent isn’t the right/correct word.
    (as it means, M. Mollier would be guilty) may be unreleated or still alive would suit better

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