The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
When BB first posted here he ranted on about Zaid’s sons lodger Daniel Laiton ranting anti-semitic in a chatroom. However I had already done the research and immediately pointed out the lodger’s name was Daniel LaiNton.
That would have been a false trail heading towards WW3 in Pakistan I seem to remember.
Several people have asked him to copy and post the actual pages onto Icke so we can all examine them but he refuses to do that.
Thanks for the offer Shelock, someone read the story in full originally and related here. Hopefully it was someone with some French ability of which I dont.
Kenneth
Icke will let you request an edit to remove those photos, they should be only too happy to do so.
Shelock
That is strange. This was a company address on 12 av jules bianco for FREDERIC Brun a month ago. On pageblanches there was an address 5 av jules bianco. Not for frederique but for frederic! I swear by my life. That business address on #12 was listed at least in 10 different company indexes.
For Frederic Brun there is just his second beauty business left. There still is Frederic Brun the owner. This is in a village nearby and i had listed that second business one month ago, too. Please check. I guess that in a few weeks this second will get updated or deleted, too.
http://www.manageo.fr/fiche_info/539935205/10/brun-frederic.html
However, the address 12 av jules bianco had been frederic brun, too. A lot of company index listings disappeared while the pachesblanches is now frederique. But it never was before. Check his second business adress. This is near Chevaline.
The clean team does a good job but they forgot to update his second beauty business that he runs since march.
James:
Brindille is not a twig but an insect that looks like a twig. It is perfect in covering itself up; it is silent and you cannot see it.
There is nothing wrong with the photos. I explicity pointed out in the beginning that the the man in the first photo was ONLY posted as a reference, in order to see if he had any facial traits in common with Leo and Mathis.
I will not change anything.
BB
I am sure Iqbal was from Iran before it got changed. You may have just been the first to read it and posted it and its been changed since.
Blue…
I know. But I like to call Bernard “Twiggy”.
Did you notice that everyone refers to him as “Bernard” ?
You might say it was translated that way, but no, on the French site he is even sent a comment to “Bernard”.
I guess it’s the name he used.
Bill uses Brett. Fred uses Bernard. Wonder if Mollier was called Ted ?
Anyway, one Bernard Brun had a chalet to rent. Fits in with the enterprising Bernard. Beauty business, but no beauty !
The remaining photos were the other instructors from that hunting website who happened to have their photo alongside ‘Hunter Sylvain Mollier’
Shelock
Perhaps there are updates. I am no idiot and i remember what i had seen. All company registrations regarding frederic brun are gone except for the pajesblanches. They updated to frederique. There is one more where they updated Frederic to F.
I mentioned before that a Marc Brun was living in the same house, too.
http://www.pagesblanches247.fr/brun-marc-ugine-avenue-jules-bianco
Please please !!!!!!!!!! check the link of his other beauty business where he is still listed. Kenneth. A copy uploading? I am sure that they forgot that link to delete. His ugine beauty business was listed on at least 10 company registration sites. All gone completely except for the updated pajesblanches.
Felix posted the article to Icke post no 1597 8/10 (pg 80)
http://www.ledauphine.com/actualite/2012/09/30/ugine-le-4×4-devale-la-foret-sur-trente-metres-un-mort
That is the complete article there is no more.
On the previous post a fuller article with no request for membership??
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2012/09/09/journalistes-et-curieux-se-croisaient-encore-hier
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.. and to make matters more worse- here’s what I got when I inscribed minutes ago in Le Dauphine re the pajero accident:
Accident mortel sur la route du col de l’Arpettaz (Ugine) M. Franck LOMBARD, maire d’Ugine, a été averti de l’accident ce samedi soir (29 septembre) entre 21 h et 22 h. Le conducteur s’appellerait BRUN Il s’agirait d’un frère d’un BRUN habitant à Mont-Dessus (Ugine), mais le maire ne sait ni le prénom de la victime, ni de son frère. La voiture, un 4X4 Mitsubishi est immatriculé BW 216 FM, avec une plaque indiquant le département 01 (Ain).
(I was/still I am in a hurry so I didn’t read the rules they have when you by this 24h ticket. Not sure if it is allowed to publish/copy their reports in general- so I just copied out the most important chapter. As soon I have more time- I’ll gonna post the rest later)
And now- what about this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
forget to mention.
Le Dauphine writes in the NEWS a Gendarme has committed suicide somwhere in the surroundings of Savoie…
More ????
go and read– no time for more…
Thanks Shelock
I tried without success to find the introduction of the story here on Craig. My eyes going bibble now.
Here is Shelock’s passage translated:-
Fatal accident on the road cervical Arpettaz (Ugine) Franck Lombard, Mayor of Ugine, was informed of the accident on Saturday evening (September 29) between 21 h and 22 h. The driver called BROWN It would be a brother living in Mont-Brun Top (Ugine), but the mayor does not know the name of the victim, or his brother. The car, a 4×4 Mitsubishi FM 216 BW is registered with a plaque indicating the department 01 (Ain).
What the Mayor couldnt recognize the body by birthmarks???? SM’s could.
I dont want to be paranoid.
However, could somebody confirm please
1. That the last beauty business remaining for Frederic Brun (link below) does read Frederic Brun? Can anybody confirm who had read the different business registrations on various registry sites regarding Brun av jules Bianco are all gone now except for pajesblanches that suddenly writes “Frederique” now?
http://www.manageo.fr/fiche_info/539935205/10/brun-frederic.html
Interesting, but without link about if they are relatives. There lives a Stephane Comte in 5 av jules bianco. Frederic Brun who was listed there a month ago as Frederic is suddenly gone and no longer listed in 5 av jules bianco.
COMTE?
Remember “my” Frederic Brun who is the advisor of the ministry of foreign affairs and who did found the French-Russian society together with his chief who was minister of foreign affairs? The current president of the French/Russian society is Philippe COMTE!
I am sure that this is just a coincidence….
just for the record, and less relevant now in view of all the questions about F Brun
re Shelock at 11.54am who linked a F Brun. And at 12.33 Strawberry linked further that this F Brun ‘lives @ Saint Paul Trois Chateaux (good for CRIIRAD) but approx 3 hrs drive from Ugine’
“Areva Tricastin: Covering an area of 650 hectares, the Tricastin site covers the communes of Bollène, Pierrelatte and Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, at the crossroads of the departments of Drôme and Vaucluse.” (“one of the most important nuclear technology sites in the world”) So this F Brun who works for Areva lives next door.
Now about a Mr Bernard Brun… in the Federation of Hunters !!!!
That’s Chasseurs is it not ???
Chassers en Saviore !
Olifant
Departement “ain” is north of annecy. It makes the border to geneve.
Actually st paul troix chateau is now further away from dept. 01 than it were away from ugine because that is south of grenoble.
We know that the car wasnt from ugine and neither it was from annecy. But that does not help a lot. We dont know about who owned that car? Car rental? Was it the car owner who had died?
Straw
BROWN= BRUN
Chasseurs a l’Arc !
There are some interesting Bernard Bruns on linkedin …. Whoaaaaaaaa. Scary!
One is particularly interesting
http://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Brun
There is one who runs a cyclist site:
http://www.bernardbruncourseapied.fr/
May i ask what exactly makes you think that his name is bernard?
Certainly Blue bird.
Have you read the death notice. The “In Memory” one ?
can you tell me what looks odd ?
You’d think his friends and family would have got his name right ???
Ah ! It was the press that gave us Frederic !
Well that WAS his name right ?
But tha’s not what he was called.
Do you know why “Brindille” is used ???
Yep, he is also a hunter. Gets up close. And kills things !
Bernard Brun.
He even got a Bronze award back in 2010.
…and he’s “on the board”.
I bet he would have known quite a few people with guns ?
And he would also have known of Mollier. a “chasseur a l’Arc” !
@bluebird bot sure why you mention Ain tht F Brun lives at
26130 Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux (Occitan: Sant Pau Tres Castèus) (sometimes known as Saint-Paul-en-Tricastin) is a commune in the Drôme department in southeastern France. The name of the city comes from the Gaul tribe of the Tricastini. Local historians incorrectly concluded that the name was derived from the Latin “Tricastinorum”, meaning three castles.
A few thoughts to add on various matters.
It is not always the nose that gives family ties away. Take a look at the Mollier eyes.
Next, has anyone already mentioned that there is a Mollier in Lyon who happens to be a historian specializing in the history of Masonic rites?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Mollier
http://www.christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/Taxil.html
Finally, AREVA has some serious financial and other concerns:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article2954805.ece
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/french-nuclear-giant-areva-slash-1500-jobs
http://www.wise-uranium.org/epfr.html#COGTRIENR
http://www.wise-uranium.org/epfr.html#COMCONVMA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areva
The last link mentions spying. Spying is something that is quite noticeable in the Chevaline story. It never comes up in official lines, although AREVA is apparently quite concerned about it.
Background on UraMin:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/25/areva-uramin-idUSL5E8CP2GT20120125
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/UraMin
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=8436777&ticker=MFX:LN&previousCapId=36377628&previousTitle=POLO%20RESOURCES%20LTD
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-2185618/JIM-MELLON-INTERVIEW-Britains-answer-Warren-Buffett-cracks-wealth-code-investing-book.html
Did “Momo” know Bernard though hunting ? Most likely.
And why in this case has everbody got different names !!!!
I would know like to be called “James..but you can call in Tina”.
From last link at my previous post:
“Genetic manipulation will remove faulty genes, and soon we’ll be able to culture replacement limbs…”
Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/investing/article-2185618/JIM-MELLON-INTERVIEW-Britains-answer-Warren-Buffett-cracks-wealth-code-investing-book.html#ixzz2BvuyllrR
Zombies, again.
Sylvain Mollier…known as Momo
Frederic Brun….known as Bernard
William Martin…known as Brett
Sa’ad Al Hilli…known as Ole Big nose
And
James….known as Tina !!!
Olifant.
The 4×4 was registered in departement Ain.
I found a Bernard Brun in Mondragon. That is 15 minutes from Tricastine in a forest you could even overlook tricastine from the top of that hill.
James.
If the death notice came from a friend then it was coming from indian archers in france. That was logic to understan since a few days.
When i searched archers and bernard brun i stumbled over a google link from sept 26th written by an archery fan in french into a blog:
“Bernard? No! Are you making a joke? That can’t be true ….”
However, clicking the link to that blog leaves a blank page only.
When did he die?
Everywhere this story turns, there is always James Bond:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7eab96ce-bf96-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Bvtz4Q5o
BlueBird.
Bernard is Frederic. He died a week after the shootings.
Forget the bit about archers. The family memorail notice mentions Beranrd more than Frederic.
The friend at the bottom also calls him Bernard.
No one is that stupid to get his friends name wrong !
I also found this…from 2007
“Bernard and his cronies, Dede, Charlot, Riri, Momo, and Arnaud Vincent did as every year, for the opening of hunting. Ces chasseurs, rien à voir avec des « viandards », se retrouvent sur le causse de Flaujac-Poujols, au-dessus de Cahors. These hunters, nothing to do with “viandards” can be found on the Causse de Flaujac”
BUT it is way too far away from where we would want to have them.
so it’s a different crew.