Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278

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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Tim V

    Oh yea of course Straw44berry 11 Nov, 2012 – 5:55 pm. Must engage my brain next time. Zainab goes off in helicopter to Grenoble c. 4.30 pm? Zeena off to where? in car c. 12 mn? However the rest of my point still stands I guess? Bodies says Sky report come down “4 hrs after shooting” That’s 4 pm 6th. Now what time those early aerial photos cause I guess they were taken before 4 pm 6th. So where Mollier, bike and car occupants. Were the vans for their removal parked up there well in advance?

  • bluebird

    James

    I doubt the “Bernard” name.

    Bernard Brun is his father’s name. Could the last sentence simply mea:n: “Bernard and his family” ??

    There are so many Bruns …

    This could be a father …
    http://www.envirojob.fr/infos/metiers/53/

    I found another Bernard Brun but I doubt that he is the father:

    http://m.facebook.com/bernard.brun.7?id=100000304563617&_rdr

    Mother was easier and for the brother we have a 50% chance.
    Given the age of the mother he really cant be older than 35.

  • James

    NOW THIS IS INTERESTING !

    I posted a few bits on Bernard and Momo a bit back.
    As I believe they are both Chasseurs !

    No Momo (or what we think is Momo) is on a Chasseurs website.
    We have all seen it.

    There is a way to confirm this !
    You can write to him !!!!
    Check this out.

    Mollier was (not sure how old this is)

    Tel 03 81 34 43 06
    port 06 64 49 06 43

    or email [email protected]

    ( http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ei=5vufUOCgHJOIhQfPp4BA&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMandeure%2Bchasseurs%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1W1ADFA_esES480%26biw%3D1067%26bih%3D442%26prmd%3Dimvns&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=fr&u=http://www.acafc.net/pages/Site_de_Mandeure_Pays_de_Montbeliard-333984.html&usg=ALkJrhjQGxfLU8yoKT1T4fv021t3uIcD2A )

  • James

    Bluebird…

    So Bernard is the father name.
    So why did a friend write a comment address to Beranrd ?

    We only got Frederic from the “news”.
    And yet when we found the In Memory of Frederic, it’s all Bernard ?
    Legal name, Frederic. Known as, Bernard.

    Anyway, who wants to track down Momo’s friend ? (name and number above Momo’s). He’ll be able to tell us if we are up a dead end.

  • Shelock H.

    Some translation re this:

    Bernard Brun, son papa; Catherine Boscardin et Daniel David, sa maman et son compagnon; Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet, sa sœur et son beau-frère; Jordan, son frère; Amély et Tiphaine, ses nièces adorées; Marguerite Brun, sa grand-mère; ses oncles et tantes; cousins, cousines et Marie

    ont l’immense chagrin de vous faire part du décès accidentel de

    Frédéric BRUN dit “brindille”

    à l’âge de 35 ans.La cérémonie religieuse aura lieu le mecredi 3 octobre 2012, à quatorze heures trente, en l’église Saint-Laurent d’Ugine, suivie de la crémation dans l’intimité familiale.Ni fleurs, ni plaques.La famille ne reçoit pas les condoléances. Elle rappelle à votre souvenir CHRISTIANE

    la compagne de Bernard, décédée en 2011.Cet avis tient lieu de faire-part

    + + + + + + + + + +

    Bernard Brun, his father; Catherine Boscardin et Daniel David, her mother and her companion (partner in life), Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet, his sister and brother-in-law, Jordan, his brother ; Amély et Tiphaine, his lovable nieces, Marguerite Brun, his grandmother ; his aunts and oncles; cousins, cousines and Marie
    announcing their huge grief of accidental decease of
    Frédéric BRUN (nick)named “brindille”

    age 35.
    The religious ceremony takes place wednesday, octobre 3, 2012 at 14.30h following the cremation in familiar intimacy.
    No fleurs, no plaques. The family wish no condolences. They ask you to remember CHRISTIANE
    companion (partner in life) of Bernard, who passed away in 2011
    This notice serves as an announcement

  • Shelock H.

    Bernard Brun, son papa; Catherine Boscardin et Daniel David, sa maman et son compagnon; Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet, sa sœur et son beau-frère; Jordan, son frère; Amély et Tiphaine, ses nièces adorées; Marguerite Brun, sa grand-mère; ses oncles et tantes; cousins, cousines et Marie

    ont l’immense chagrin de vous faire part du décès accidentel de

    Frédéric BRUN dit “brindille”

    à l’âge de 35 ans.La cérémonie religieuse aura lieu le mecredi 3 octobre 2012, à quatorze heures trente, en l’église Saint-Laurent d’Ugine, suivie de la crémation dans l’intimité familiale.Ni fleurs, ni plaques.La famille ne reçoit pas les condoléances. Elle rappelle à votre souvenir CHRISTIANE

    la compagne de Bernard, décédée en 2011.Cet avis tient lieu de faire-part

    + + + + + + + + + +

    Bernard Brun, his father; Catherine Boscardin et Daniel David, her mother and her companion (partner in life), Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet, his sister and brother-in-law, Jordan, his brother ; Amély et Tiphaine, his lovable nieces, Marguerite Brun, his grandmother ; his aunts and oncles; cousins, cousines and Marie
    announcing their huge grief of accidental decease of
    Frédéric BRUN (nick)named “brindille”

    age 35.
    The religious ceremony takes place wednesday, octobre 3, 2012 at 14.30h following the cremation in familiar intimacy.
    No fleurs, no plaques. The family wish no condolences. They ask you to remember CHRISTIANE
    companion (partner in life) of Bernard, who passed away in 2011
    This notice serves as an announcement

  • Shelock H.

    James,

    if you mean this here:

    Je veux m’associer à tous ceux qui prennent part à ce triste evenement.
    Très sincères condoléances Bernard .
    Yves et sa famille

    than this means quite: Yves and his family are passing condolences to the Brun family

  • James

    Funny as there is nothing on that website about Mollier death !
    So is it him ???

    How commom is SM’s name ?

  • James

    So there father and mother a divorced and the father partner passed away last year.

    …so can you explain the comment made by a friend at the bottom and addressed to Bernard ?

  • James

    Well then I am wrong…and the French are odd.

    The sorrow of the death goes to the father…and nothing to the mother who gave life to him.

    And they manage to get the death of his father’s partner in there to.

    Amazing !

  • Shelock H.

    Jaaaammmmmmeeeeesssss…

    see have a look at my post from 7:59

    !!!!!

    and I (at least) would very much appreciate if you could stop using nicknames for the people- that’s confusing (even without that) and respectless as some people had passed away… if you feel you have to do so – so may be you write this in “()” so we know about whom you’re talking. And for those who are still alive – same thing.
    Furthermore, I as a non-native-speaker have a big deal to do to encrypt your posts most of the time…. please make my (at least) live a bit easier.
    Big hug!
    😉

  • bluebird

    Shelock

    Good!thanks for the link! Danke!

    That approves 100% that the hunter is NOT our Mollier. The hunter has a birthday in october. Our sylvain was born in april 1967 – when we trust media.

  • James

    Shelock…

    A. They arent the nicknames I have given them ! And there aren’t that many people we are dealing with. How is this a struggle ?

    And C. There is just a tad of “black humour” I may put into some posts. It is a habit of people with English as their first language. I understand this may not be the case in Germany in that they aren’t known for their comedy. I apologise for that !

  • Shelock H.

    @ Tim V:

    Here the full (2)article:

    1st:
    Tragique accident, samedi soir, sur la route du col de l’Arpettaz, à Ugine. Vers 20 heures, un conducteur perd le contrôle de son véhicule de type 4×4, qui fait une sortie de route. L’accident se produit à un kilomètre en dessous du plateau du Méru, dans le sens de la descente. Les deux occupants, des amis, sortent du véhicule accidenté. Ce dernier est-il dans une position instable dans le talus ? En déséquilibre ? En tout cas, le 4×4 commence à glisser dans la pente et emporte avec lui l’un des occupants. L’automobile dévale la forêt sur environ trente mètres, avant de s’immobiliser sur un rocher, entre deux arbres. Les sapeurs-pompiers d’Ugine, aidés par un renfort d’Albertville, ne peuvent plus rien faire pour la victime, leur intervention prend fin vers minuit. Resté coincé sous le 4×4, l’homme âgé d’environ 35 ans, décède.
    Les gendarmes de la brigade d’Ugine sont chargés de l’enquête, afin de déterminer les circonstances de l’accident et définir qui était au volant. Ils doivent notamment procéder à des examens toxicologiques.
    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    2nd:
    Accident mortel sur la route du col de l’Arpettaz (Ugine) M. Franck LOMBARD, maire d’Ugine, a été averti de l’accident ce samedi soir (29 septembre) entre 21 h et 22 h. Le conducteur s’appellerait BRUN Il s’agirait d’un frère d’un BRUN habitant à Mont-Dessus (Ugine), mais le maire ne sait ni le prénom de la victime, ni de son frère. La voiture, un 4X4 Mitsubishi est immatriculé BW 216 FM, avec une plaque indiquant le département 01 (Ain). La voiture se trouve entre vingt à trente de mètres en contrebas de la route. D’après les photos, elle ne semble pas avoir heurté l’un ou l’autre des deux arbres entre lesquels elle s’est arrêtée. Sur la partie couverte de feuilles entre la route et la voiture, on peut constater un rétroviseur, et quelques objets en plastique, et un bouquegt de fleurs au niveau de la rout avant gauche (posé par quelqu’un ?). Je n’ai pas remarqué de point de choc (trou dans la terre) entre la route et la voiture, mais il y a quelques rochers qui pourraient peut-être expliquer un choc, notamment la portière et la partie droite. La voiture a-t-elle fait un tonneau ? Pas sûr, car le pavillon du toit ne semble pas enfoncé (rabaissé). La route était à cet endroit relativement droite, sur une centaine de mètres. Pour tout renseignement, voir avec la gendarmerie d’Ugine (04.79.37.30.17) à partir de ce dimanche 15 heures, et s’adresser soit au chef BOURGEAT, soit au gendarme FUGIER. Raymond BRASSOUD

    Re your question:
    The Major of Ugine M. Franck Lombard stated, the drivers name would be Brun (a brother of a Brun from who lives in Mont-Dessus (Ugine). But he wouldn’t know either the first name of the victim nor his brother.
    Hope I could be of any help!

  • bluebird

    Whoaaaaa!

    I know 100% who the father is. With “help” of his deceased partner Christian.

    They are from Chambery. That makes sense because Frederic has his second beauty saloon nearby Chambery, too. Catherine runs a restaurant in chambery using her old name Brun.

     M.Bernard BRUN Chambéry est, sud nord, sud ouest, Cognin … Né le: 25 juin 1946 Profession : Enseignant Retraité 13 Fonction : Premier Vice-Président fiches_carte

    http://copainsdavant.com/p/bernard-brun-7482114

    Father is also involved in commune activities nearby in St.Cassin.
    http://www.saint-cassin.com/municipalite/commissions

    That was some hard work. Christiane was my key.

  • Shelock H.

    BB:

    I posted yesterday at 6.30 pm

    http://archasse.com/forum/index.php?/topic/17-clan-du-forum/

    (just scroll for the name SM)

    As I was discussing with Mochyin and Kenneth about the fact…

    That this Sylvain Mollier with cap is born in june (gimini)- and the deceased in april I’d stated days ago…

    So, it happens to everybody from time to time that he misses a link or two.. 😉

    __________________________
    So do you agree we could take it as a fact that this one isn’t the deceased S. Mollier- once and forever??

    wouldn’t it be a good idea if someone would make a summary about the facts we have??
    Would make our all lives a bit easier.

  • Q

    Something very odd is going on here. Posts are missing and lots of these messages in pages further back:

    > Fatal error: Allowed memory size of X bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 4515 bytes) in
    > /(path)/wp-includes/formatting.php on line 126

    I can’t even find my posts today about the 2012 cycling race through Annecy, Ugine, etc., which began on Sept. 6, 2012, etc.

  • olifant

    At ACAFC on the left side is a section “Archery Training” and below this is a list of “the instructors”, (one of whom is an attractive female). Sylvain Mollier is one of these, (from other web searches elsewhere) he has lived at Mandeure for somt time; unfortunately this is where the wrong picture has been uplifted. There is a search box for the site: Only brown as in colour, Laurent Brun, Christian Brun come up.

    My point about the Avis de Deces re Frederic Brun is that it is slightly away from the main text at the bottom of the notice and is translated by Bing translator as ‘la compagne de Bernard, décédée en 2011. Cet avis tient lieu de faire-part. ‘The companion of Bernard, who died in 2011. This notice constitutes the invitation’ That seems to be ‘partner of Bernard’

    Clear;y the man about whom condplence is being sent is called Frederic Brun dit “Bridille”. His father is Bernard. His patner who died in 2011 was called Bernard. As such this is mentioned just as it might be if a spouse had pre deceased him.

    The Bernard Brun who works as Environmental Engineer for Arcelor-Mittal would be 55 now, just old enough to be Frederic’s father. Or were his brothers / sister older than him? Anyway the workplace is …sur Mer so must be far away.

  • Shelock H.

    .. together with the link re “Aurore et Martial Cusin-Mermet” (renting out a flat)
    I think we can now take it as a fact that the annonce isn’t a fake

    – Fact:
    French part of the story:

    Sylvain Mollier (deceased one) is not the man-with-the-cap
    Frederic Brun has died and is not a fake
    what more do we have?

  • bluebird

    Shelock

    You were right. 10th of june is the hunters birthday. We can delete him.

    Now that we know brun’s family is from chambery we are further. Father Bernard is a retired teacher and works in the community and 66 years old. No hunter. And decesed son’s name indeed is frederic.

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