Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22278


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • NR

    @ Q 11 Nov, 2012 – 5:20 pm
    “@NR: http://business.financialpost.com/2011/12/12/uramin-assets-a-nearly-2-billion-drag-on-areva/
    “See anything significant there?”

    Let’s see, there’s mention of Bond, a New Zealand guy in the same hotel Mellon stayed in in Russia was hacked to death, and some of Mellon’s charities are for animal welfare.

    Other than similar names I don’t see any connection between Mellon’s co-author, Al Chalabi, of Canada and Hong Kong, and Ahmad Chalabi or the Chilabi Group of Chicago. I’ve likely missed something.

    Incidentally, there’s this old news (2004): According to a report by Julian Borger in the UK Guardian, “The CIA has hard evidence that Mr. Chalabi and his intelligence chief, Aras Karim Habib, passed US secrets to Tehran, and that Mr Habib has been a paid Iranian agent for several years, involved in passing intelligence in both directions.” “The implications,” writes Borger, “are far-reaching. Mr. Chalabi and Mr. Habib were the channels for much of the intelligence on Iraqi weapons on which Washington built its case for war. ‘It’s pretty clear that Iranians had us for breakfast, lunch and dinner,’ said an intelligence source in Washington yesterday. ‘Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the US for several years through Chalabi.’ Larry Johnson, a former senior counter-terrorist official at the state department, said: ‘When the story ultimately comes out we’ll see that Iran has run one of the most masterful intelligence operations in history. They persuaded the US and Britain to dispose of its greatest enemy.'”

    It’s fortunate the new Bond movie was released. They’re calling the General Petraeus scandal SpyFall, otherwise we’d be stuck with SpyGate.

    They’ve named the 2nd woman in SpyFall, the one the 1st woman, his gf, was allegedly threatening (though there’s a caveat that the 1st woman may not, in fact, have personally sent the threatening messages, but somebody used or hacked her computer to indirectly blackmail the general) and already have family photos of the 2nd woman, within hours. With Chevaline, not many photos of key people even months after the event.

  • Tim V

    James
    12 Nov, 2012 – 12:31 am it is not clear whether the 4×4 which I am sure was there and part of the operation was LHD or RHD. If for a moment we imagine it was RHD, apart from suggesting a British connection, the passenger shooter would jump out from the LHS which would place him vaguely in front of the BMW. But more likely LHD i would think to draw less attention. This drops the shooter out on the RHS which makes more sense for the attack on Mollier standing on the near side of the car. My personal feeling that the attack came from TWO directions. The 4×4 as already described but we also need an explanation for REVERSE being selected rather than forward and away. Leaving Zainab might provide one but a more likely one would be a man approaching from the front pointing a gun. This could easily be the motor cycle rider who also left a distinctive tyre mark by all accounts and pointed out in one of the vids. Thus it would make sense for him to move to the off side to deliver the fatal shots to Al Hilli and his wife, whilst the 4×4 passenger dealt with Mollier and the mother-in-law, delivering blows to Zainab before a general and expeditious evacuation out of there. The fact that at this late juncture Muilloud says they have identified the green 4×4, WBM says he saw, as forestry vehicle is from every direction, suspect.

  • Mochyn69

    Ha ha,Morgan le Fay … just kidding! It’s me.

    However, there are just so many unknown unknowns in this story, and so many mysteries, so many unexplained coincidences, it does begin to read like a FAIRYTALE™.

  • NR

    @ Q 12 Nov, 2012 – 1:33 am
    @NR: I saw something here that made me think:
    http://markets.ft.com/research/Markets/Tearsheets/Directors-and-dealings?s=POL:LSE
    The same name appears here:
    http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/macleans/munks-indonesian-gold-coup

    I confess I didn’t see a connection in the two links above. The pattern matching portion of my brain is glazed over with too many names.

    These names below are clipped from a longer British conspiracy page, which later links some of them to Sir Jimmy Savile. For fun diversion read Anorak mocking Murdoch’s The Sun indignation at BBC mess:
    http://www.anorak.co.uk/339074/news/irony-overload-the-sun-berates-the-bbc-and-the-guardian-for-whipping-up-paedo-hysteria.html/

    I marked names ** that I recall discussed here before. Q, I read the interview with Jim Mellon, son of Sir James. The list below says he still has some ownership of AREVA RESOURCES SOUTHERN AFRICA. 55 Princes Gate didn’t appear. It’s way long, but some may recognize names, though whether anything relates to Chevaline, who knows. Hope I haven’t libeled any of the nobility by copying this or they’ll have their solicitors on me and I’ll need to step down from my position here on Craig Murray. Is there a severance package?

    http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/tag/nato/

    22 ARLINGTON STREET. [note the 22]
    2nd floor 25 berkeley square
    55 gower street [note the 55]
    vintners place, 68 upper thames street
    180 great portland street [a 180, a Masonic number fer sure]

    Politicians, Grandees, VIP’s and the Funding of the Conservatives and Labour Party, lining their own pockets as Non Exec Directors in Oil & Gas and “Virtual” Mining Companies. Operating and De-listed Financially collapsed PONZI Scam fronts. Below, a selection of Companies that if placed under the Microscope would lead ALL those named facing long prison sentences for INTERNATIONAL ORGANISED CRIME.

    MICHAEL HOWARD aka MICHAEL HOWARD of LYMPNE
    Northern Racing Ltd
    LUUP Limited
    LUUP International Ltd
    SILVER DRAGON RESOURCES INC
    ORCA EXPLORATION GROUP INC
    ENTREE GOLD INC
    ENTREE GOLD INC on the TSX-V
    JAMES L HARRIS
    BDI MINING CORP
    NEW SAGE ENERGY CORP
    DAVID ANTHONY LENIGAS

    SPEYMILL PLC **
    SIR JAMES MELLON **
    JAMES MELLON **
    HOWARD EMERSON FLIGHT (MP)

    POLO RESOURCES PLC **
    JIM MELLON **
    STEPHEN ROLLAND DATTELS **

    URAMIN INC **
    JAMES MELLON **
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH

    ANGLO GOLD ASHANTI
    RANGE RESOURCES LIMITED
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH

    TITANIUM RESOURCES GROUP **
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    BARONESS VALERIE AMOS

    EQUATORIAL EXPLORATION LIMITED
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    BARONESS CHALKER of WALLASEY
    SENTULA MINING LIMITED
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    JONAH CAPITAL
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    MOTO GOLDMINES LIMITED
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    SCHARRIG MINING LIMITED
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH

    EMERGING METALS LIMITED **
    JAMES MELLON **
    REGENT PACIFIC GROUP LIMITED **
    JAMES MELLON **
    STEPHEN ROLLAND DATTELS **

    COPPER RESOURCES CORPORATION
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH

    AREVA RESOURCES SOUTHERN AFRICA ****
    JAMES MELLON **

    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    IVANHOE CAPITAL CORP
    SIR SAMUEL ESSON JONAH
    ANGLESEY MINING PLC
    LORD CRICKHOWELL (ROGER NICHOLAS EDWARDS)
    GALAHAD GOLD PLC
    LORD DAVID WOLFSON
    STRATIC ENERGY CORP
    SIR GRAHAM J HEARNE

    RED DRAGON RESOURCES CORP **
    JIM MELLON **

    LANDSDOWNE OIL & GAS PLC
    BULA RESOURCES (HOLDINGS) PLC
    SARU CONSULT
    LORD TIM TORRINGTON
    GULF KEYSTONE PETROLEUM
    LORD PETER TRUSCOTT
    EUROPEAN NICKEL PLC
    SIR DAVID LOGAN
    UNION RESOURCES LIMITED
    RAB CAPITAL PLC
    RAB SPECIAL SITUATIONS FUND
    PHORM INC
    LORD NORMAN LAMONT
    XSTRATA PLC
    SIR STEVE ROBSON
    PREMIER OIL PLC
    SIR DAVID JOHN
    REGAL PETROLEUM PLC
    LORD ANTHONY ST JOHN of BLETSO
    AGUA TERRA LIMITED
    LORD RODERICK FRANCIS ARTHUR EARL OF BALFOUR
    ANDREW RAIKES HARGREAVES
    STEPHEN HAMMOND
    NIKANOR PLC
    LORD RODERICK FRANCIS ARTHUR EARL OF BALFOUR

    RIO TINTO PLC **
    LORD KERR OF KINLOCHARD

    JKX OIL AND GAS PLC
    LORD FRAZER OF CARMYLLIE
    VISCOUNT RAYMOND BENEDICT BARTHOLOMEW MICHAEL ASQUITH
    CAIRN ENERGY LIMITED
    SIR WILLIAM “BILL” GAMMELL
    TETHY’S PETROLEUM LIMITED
    RT HON PETER LILLEY

    Top of the Pile
    LONRHO PLC and it’s multitude of LONRHO subsidiaries
    DAVID ANTHONY LENIGAS
    GEOFFREY WHITE
    AMBASSADOR FRANCES DEE COOK
    ALLIANT TECHSYSTEMS
    ARLINGTON ASSOCIATES LTD

    ORYX NATURAL RESOURCES **
    SIR RICHARD NEEDHAM

    [NOTE THIS ONE: THE BRITISH UKRANIAN SOCIETY located at
    1St Floor 25 Knightsbridge. 55 Princes Gate was the Anglo-Polish Society, and 20 Princes Gate too.]

    They are all mostly interconnected through a front company:
    THE BRITISH UKRANIAN SOCIETY
    and a co Director:
    IHOR MITIUKOV
    Who fronts as a Director in:
    FERREXPO PLC
    The main CON boy being
    OLIVER GUY BARING
    Who is a Director of TWO of the LONRHO Empire
    and the ARLINGTON CROWD interlocked network Mining and
    FINANCE AIM Investment Fake, Fraud Oil and Gas and Mining Companies.

  • straw44berry

    @James 12.31 am
    A long time ago I suggested SAH in the BMW was tired of waiting for the tardy SM and headed back down the road towards Chevaline when he met….?

    Slammed into reverse and into the position the car finished up in. It is the best explanantion of the angle of the car and would be very easy to go a little too far into the bank.

    What he was driving away from ?
    Well not SM, no need to rush. A vehicle coming up the road forcing him back, maybe. An aggressive vehicle with a gunman(not yet firing). The major flaw I see in this is Zainab out of the car. So this is probably a no go. But this type of scenario is the best way to get the BMW into that angle in the car park. [Lots of personal knowledge driving on touring holidays using narrow single track roads requiring long reverses into small passing places or gateways]

  • Ferret

    @Shelock H.
    11 Nov, 2012 – 8:40 pm

    Thanks very much for these two articles describing the Pajero 4×4 “accident” involving Frederic Brun. Do you have a link to the articles, or is it something you saved?

    @Olifant
    11 Nov, 2012 – 9:56 pm

    Remember that SM was initially reported in several places as a Metallurgiste (Metallurgist), and subsequently as Chef de Production (Production Manager). And only recently as a welder.

  • Ferret

    @Bluebird

    Great work on discovering Frederic Brun’s father in Chambery!

    🙂

    And very strange about all the links which used to show Frederic Brun in Ugine being changed to “Frederique”…

    Did you keep any copies? And/or does the wayback machine have anything?

    I can confirm that the one link you posted still does point to a “Frederic”.

  • olifant

    Sylvain Mollier = worker

    Sylvain Mollier – initial reports are polite: a worker or working in metallurgy / at a firm specialising in metallurgy; fewer used term ‘worker’. One ref to chef de production appears in google.fr search much later

    RESULTS FOR OUVRIER
    12.09. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier travaillait dans un atelier de production chez Cezus
    12.09. 2012 – Sylain Mollier travaillait dans un atelier de production chez Cezus
    12.09.2012 – Mollier travaillait dans un atelier de production chez
    8 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, … il était ouvrier fondeur et faisait les trois huit à Cézus, une filiale …
    9 sept. 2012 – Victime apparemment collatérale, Sylvain Mollier, un ouvrier de 45
    8 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, 45 ans, était ouvrier fondeur et faisait les trois huit à Cézus,
    RESULT FOR CHEF DE PRODUCTION
    17 oct. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier Cezus, une fonderie du groupe Areva où il était chef de production.
    RESULTS FOR METALLURGIE
    5 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, employé dans l’entreprise Cezus, spécialisée dans la métallurgie et …
    5 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, employé dans l’entreprise Cezus, spécialisée dans la métallurgie et …
    16 sept. 2012 – … Sylvain Mollier, – un ouvrier métallurgiste qui travaillait …
    6 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier Employé depuis vingt ans dans le secteur de la métallurgie
    6 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier… le site de l’entreprise, spécialisée dans la métallurgie du zirconium, …
    6 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier…. groupe Areva, spécialisée dans la métallurgie et basée à Ugine en Savoie.
    6 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, à Ugine, en Savoie, pour l’entreprise Cezus du groupe Areva spécialisée dans la métallurgie du zirconium selon Le Dauphiné.
    6 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, ….. Le cycliste assassiné travaillait dans une entreprise de métallurgie …
    6 sept. 2012 – Il s’agirait de Sylvain Mollier, employé dans l’entreprise Cezus, spécialisée dans la métallurgie et…
    11 sept. 2012 – Sylvain Mollier, un employé en métallurgie de 45 ans, …
    06/09/2012 – Europe 1 Sylvain Mollier … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    17/09/2012 – Est-il possible que Sylvain Mollier – ce cycliste … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    17/09/2012 – France 3 – Sylvain Mollier,l’une des quatre victimes … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    6 sept. 2012 – Il s’agirait de Sylvain Mollier, employé dans l’entreprise Cezus, spécialisée dans la métallurgie et basée à Ugine en Savoie.
    06/09/2012 – Europe 1 – Le corps de Sylvain Mollier a été retrouvé près des … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    17/09/2012 – Le Télégramme – Sylvain Mollier … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    17/09/2012 – France 3 – Sylvain Mollier,l’une des quatre victimes … Originaire de la région, cet ouvrier dans la métallurgie venait d’être père.
    6 sept. 2012 – Il s’agirait de Sylvain Mollier, employé dans l’entreprise Cezus, spécialisée dans la métall

  • Felix

    @Ferret Norfolk Eagle

    slightly off recent thread – I wanted to revisit no 55 Princes Gate, especially as Brett Martin has been sent to ground for good.

    Other co’s have been flagged up but I want to point to a couple.
    {https://www.duedil.com/company/07599160/mil-security-ltd}
    MIL security Ltd (nice punning name) of sole owner David John Miller.
    Also International Security and Protection Ltd.
    https://www.duedil.com/company/07394352/international-security-and-protection-limited/people
    (unconnected with Liam Nammock’s International Security Ltd at the same address (!)
    First director of IS&P Ltd was – Barry O’Connell of London W10 with the following companies:

    INTERNATIONAL SECURITY & PROTECTION LIMITED
    RESIDENTIAL SECURITY LTD
    STATE OF MIND FITNESS LIMITED

    The last is an ex-GC Sectarial company, registered at 12 Northfields Prospect Wandsworth, SW18 1PE, which is the address of co-director John Raith Murray. I’m guessing this is another ex-55 company, as reg office changed in 2011 after GC ceased.

    Who is David John Miller, whose address is given as 55 Princes Gate?
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-miller/21/281/336
    Team leader at Control Risks Training , security , close protection etc.
    {http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Control-Risks-Training-Services-EMEA-3683478/about}
    http://www.controlrisks-training.com/

    whose website links to
    CONTROLS RISK GROUP LTD 4th Floor SE1 2QG Tel: 0207 970 2100

    being the training arm of business risk consultancy Control Risks with location in Shropshire…
    {http://www.controlrisks-training.com/index.php?id=8&detail=4}
    ex Para regiment (?) based in ….Tern Hill Shropshire?
    ex-GardaWorld:
    {http://www.linkedin.com/company/gardaworld?trk=ppro_cprof}
    {http://garda-world.com/about}
    {http://garda-world.com/board}
    GW Consultng (UK) Ltd is the registered co (ex-Kroll Security which collected GBP112m for security work in IRaq – the revolving “mercenary” door – check the board members)…
    {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1534411/Security-firm-collects-112m-for-work-in-Iraq.html}
    based in Hereford (SAS) London, Dubai Brussels, Washington.

    DJM connections with Baghdad, Iraq etc. from Linkedin.
    Another source gives DJM’s address as being near Gatwick Airport (think Brett M) :
    {http://www.creditgate.com/director/david_miller_rh6+9by.aspx}
    Horley Surrey RH6 9BY, confirmed by 192.com

    All pointing to BM being close protection, circumstantially.

  • Ferret

    @Oliphant

    “Ouvrier fondeur” just means “foundry worker” ie someone who works at a foundry, which he did. But it doesn’t describe his specific job or what he did there.

    The three jobs he’s been described as doing are, as I said before: Metallurgist, Production Manager, and (most recently) Welder.

    In my view, initial reports are more likely to have been gleaned from the media actually interviewing family, friends, and colleagues, so are more likely to be accurate. Later reports are sanitised and often reflect official disinfo passed out through official channels.

    So my best bet is that he is/was in fact a metallurgist, as originally described.

    Doing web searches now doesn’t really prove much IMO as I belive a number of early references to his being a metallurgist have been modified and/or deleted. I can’t prove this though as I didn’t save anything, but it’s to the best of my recollection.

    In any case, it’s not really all that important what his job was. As many have said here, you don’t need to be in the R&D department to have access to secrets and/or restricted materials such as Zirconium and Hafnium.

  • Ferret

    PS. And the fact that even his job is such a total confusion points heavily towards official disinformation on this subject (as on everything else!)

  • Katie

    Felix.

    Ternhill is an RAF camp, I used to know it well & another one, Shawberry is a few miles away.

  • Felix

    @Katie
    Thanks, 2 Para moved to Colchester. Do you recognised that gothic looking centre of Control Risks?

  • bluebird

    A scam fraud?
    What a coincidence.

    I recently linked an African member of that Spanish money transfer business where hussein alla muhammed was member, too, the guy who signed kadhims death documents, to an international scam fraud. I did not take much notice of that other than the company got a fishy touch. The owner of this company is in 155 notting hill gate, london. See details kn one of my posts approx 8 days ago.

  • Katie

    It’s a long time ago but yes I remember that arch, Felix, there was nothing else at Ternhill but the camp.

  • Katie

    Could this be what Saad was also afraid of:

    “The road is known as Billionaires’ Row and it is believed that the Saudi Royal Family own ten of the street’s 66 properties, with other billionaire owners including the Sultan of Brunei and Britain’s richest man, Lakshmi Mittal.
    A neighbour, who refused to be named, said he saw the house still burning four hours after the blaze began.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231403/Fire-destroys-2-8m-mansion-owned-wealthy-Russians-Londons-Billionaires-Row.html#ixzz2C0NMblNX

  • Katie

    I agree Straw, this is surely important news ?

    What I want to know is, why did the brothers take so long to get to Spain when their father died, by the time they arrived all Kadhims CC, cheque book & accounts could have been emptied.

    Someone must have helped him with his finances as he had Parkinsons so would know code numbers & how to get into his accounts.

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