The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
sorensen, and why do we have a direct link from the late John Dion Longworth (audio interception specialist apperently assasinated in Indianapolis) to the honorable Javed Nackvid who himself has a direct link to the Ministry of Defense, to QientiQ(!!) and to the Baroness?
And now Q found a link from Surrey satellites to QientiQ.
QientiQ is THE military and security secret research lab in the UK and the Baronesse was its CEO. Oh yes, the Baronesse was also CEO of BBC and Counter Terrorism expert for David Cameron.
I am upset about why we didn’t find QientiQ any earlier and that we had to wait for another assassination to happen in the USA before we were able to find QientiQ …. – that really upsets me. we had done so much research and investigation in Surrey and about satellites in the UK but I was dumb enough to miss QientiQ.
@Bluebird: That sound in Indianapolis reminds me of thunder.
Precisely, Kenneth. They are interwoven.
Q
Topsat on the QientiQ website
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/topsat-celebrates-1000-days-orbit.aspx
I strongly believe that John Dion Longworth was pretty close sitting to SAH somewhen in the past. Those deep links are no accident. Glad that we found that before the clean team was there.
What could the Baronesse tell us about 9/11?
to expand a little further: While information sharing is an integral part of any science community and not least in Britain, which champions open University programs and are leading when it comes to educational (BBC televison) programmes, because it fundamentally belives that everybody is better off by sharing information,- it’s entirely possible that the Evil Regime at he shores of the Mediterranean saw it differently. This is the great risk to the world, when people live in parallel communities, like the Israelis does. That’s why this colony needs to be terminated* for the sake of future peace and prosperiry.
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*) by holding a referendum among the peoples between the river Jordan and the Mediterranean about how they think this land should be governed.
@Bluebird: RF, or Radio Frequencies would include VLF and ULF.
Some background reading not directly related to the matters at hand:
http://counter-surveillance-devices.com/tag/vlf/
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hm1g8-JktDMJ:ee.iku.edu.tr/icourses/ee202_52/projects/proje3.pdf+&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgQpN-WnNQWCpfJXkSp7vn6WvmLVT_JcJJJ3X4ZKZ-HCPI0–A6-IM6OvjPTYHS3fZtocwa8Kp422PY_hSb1pBPpZCoFFqEPFZ1NKe3BQGfmgb9M-5ERO6mb8KVhKPqkjRZe4qS&sig=AHIEtbQOTgjLO-FjMPHlrYcepzPl6XwjDw
http://rezn8d.net/2012/03/21/darpa-haarp-team-thundercats/
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/community/skyblog/newsblog/113274169.html
It seems obvious that a broadcaster could be useful. Thunderbirds are go!
More on the people who use QinetiQ:
http://www.qinetiq.com/success/customers/Pages/default.aspx
Bluebird
It has been mentioned — I think on this very thread — but obviously, the lead wasn’t followed through.
Even if you don’t agree with me in my Israel bashing, it is clearly the most wise thing you could do right now – something which I’ve always routinely done on Danish boards, whenever Israel has misbehaved, or in the case of the infamous Cartoon controversy. It’s important to show Arabs that we’re on their side, and that we wish Israel to be closed ASAP. In this way we enhance our own security. Although the Danish security service is notoriues daft and amateurish, I believe they came around to my point during the Cartoon crisis, where I proposed that the Danish PM in his weekly press conferences, should lambast Israel as an outcast for the international community. If he’d done that, Denmark could forget about any security-threats, and eveyone in the Arab Street would speek symphatetically about us.
But make no mistake Arabs are not stupid, and can easily see through if you doesn’t mean it, and they love the most the ones of us who really means it. But the world not being perfect, they would go along with governments condemning Israel tactically, even if they don’t mean it, because they accept and understand that governments acts according to interests first and foremost. But it is important that those governments are told by its citizens how to respond.
olifant, WOW!!
The first link that you did submit is EXCELLENT!
It not only confirms what we found out about Kadhim and Hashim al Hilli, obviously written by a close friend of Saad al Hilli who works for CNN in Iraq. He also tells the full name of Kadhim’s wife. It is hard to read with google translate, but it’s almost understandable. Hashim was tortured by Saddam? That’s interesting news. Particularly the emails of Saad al Hilli are extremely interesting to read. I hope that this is true and not a falsification false flag, but the contents of this link is more or less confirming that part that we had already investigated, adding up the business of Kadhim, that they lived in Beirut for some time, etc.
It also lifts the secret that Saad al Hilli wanted to move to Jordan (Amman) as he says that he and Iqbal die buy a house in Amman.
Very interesting stuff. Would be great if somebody who can translate better than google could submit a translation. The other two links don’t tell us any news, however, your first link is SENSATIONAL STUFF!
thanks for sharing.
I guess that today was one of the best days in that al Hilli investigation so far and we could find much more evidence than we had during the last few weeks altogether.
I said: which I’ve always routinely done on Danish boards – but of course I’m not that daft to limit it to that. I was also the most prolific Israel basher on the good old BBC GREAT DEBATE, and on BBC FIVE LIVE BOARD. It is simply the best thing you can do from a security point of view. If you can get your government to do it, you needn’t worry about any terror threats.
“I live less than 4 miles from the blast site — was outside when it blew…WOW was it loud! I thought it was an earthquake! I popped my head inside the apt and asked if anyone else heard the explosion or felt the ground tremble – they said no. How about the news IGNORING the house that exploded in Shelby County the week before?? Google it.
Nita Ell 23 hours ago”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=joCaUrRLB1Y
Thunderquake? Blue jets?
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.krmg.com%2Fnews%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fthunderquake-actually-super-bolt%2FnLYJZ%2F&ei=9x6lUNW5J8iIiALluYGwCA&usg=AFQjCNHEOmq0szgGm7JSa3-1jcGjo9Ybng
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=1201466
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_gamma-ray_flash
Could it have come from a satellite in low orbit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning#Laser-triggered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_jet
Anyways…
http://www.theweek.co.uk/7607/what-they%E2%80%99re-saying-about-cameron%E2%80%99s-arab-trade-tour
http://news.uk.msn.com/hundreds-of-mod-passes-given-out
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2074276_more_job_losses_on_the_cards_at_qinetiq
2010 was pivotal for Saad al-Hilli. It’s when he took a new contract at SSTL.
http://www.sstl.co.uk/News-and-Events?story=2054
There is some implication that this wasn’t his first SSTL contract. Surely “long-term” doesn’t refer to the 22 months since that contract began.
I can’t remember if this is what Kenneth was referring to:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/09/where-money-is-bin-laden-and-child-abuse.html
The Channel islands include Jersey, non?
Thanks to olifant’s link, now we know the name of Saad al Hilli”s mother for the first time:
Fasiha al Shaaban
Her father was Zaid Saad Shaaban (Saad’s grandfather).
Kadhim al Hilli, also written “Kazim” or “Kazem” or Kashim or Kashem,
had the following businesses in Iraq:
1. KLEENEX retail
2. Chicken farm
3. chicken breeding factory
4. real estate
In 1969, his brother Hashim was tortured Iraq because for being accused to be a double agent. If I understood right (not sure because of the translation), he was finally sent home to London with a paraplegia and a partly cut off tongue. Not sure whether or not that translation was correct.
@BB: Might not have been Parkinson’s, then, but some other cause?
Q
Great find. Wonder whether or not Saad had such a “MOD pass”. I would bet that he had one.
Perhaps that is the key for the “Hole” we have had before he started to work for Surrey Satellites. We knew about his time at Electa, we knew about his time at Rutherford Labs. But there was a gap in between. Let’s bet: The gap was QinetiQ! Of course, I strongly guess that is why we don’t knwo where he had worked during that so far unknown time gap. Good find. Great day for the investigation team today. So many pending riddles got almost solved today.
I agree strongly, that oliphants post is most interesting, and his first link contains very much intimate information about the al-Hillis.
Bluebird, do you recognise that they really derive from Hillah, something that I’ve always maintained, but which you have deviated from. And they were staunch monarchists, something which I’ve also said many times.
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I agree strongly, that oliphants post is most interesting, and his first link contains very much intimate information about the al-Hillis.
Bluebird, do you recognise that they really derive from Hillah, something that I’ve always maintained, but which you have deviated from. And they were staunch monarchists, something which I’ve also said many times.
A-T-T-E-N-T-I-O-N
I agree strongly, that oliphants post is most interesting, and his first link contains very much intimate information about the al-Hillis.
Bluebird, do you recognise that they really derive from Hillah, something that I’ve always maintained, but which you have deviated from. And they were staunch monarchists, something which I’ve also said many times.
Sensational find Olphant, well done !!!
“Arabic channel and link the killing of Saadi ornaments with President Obama? -Electronic Iraq
Unfortunately there are some Arab media workers referred to site is and craftsmen Suyen profession that they many. envying them
And with deep regret that there is no longer the same understanding in what are difficult for others to understand, but unfortunately not that someone wants to convert the truth about its course, whether deliberate or stupidity?
And these days has all of Europe (with the exception of the Iraqi Government of course) and at the level of Heads of State and Governments of the republics to Briton named Saad ornaments of Iraqis left the country 44 years ago and married ten years of Iranian and has a large factory specialized in nuclear industries and some of them said that specializes in satellite and aerial photography and some of them said to the others.
And Kazem Abu Saad ornaments ornaments left Iraq for decades and was very rich and large in Spain drew left shared by his two sons, Saad and Zaid … Nevertheless, we have not heard that there is anyone in Iraq and all Iraqi almozaek term that we hear it after the US invasion of Iraq said that the relatives or neighbours, Saad trinkets or graduated from the same University.Or prep it born in 1961 and left Iraq in 1978 before the legal age to enter Iraqi universities!!Often referred to by the media that he fled Iraq because he was against!!!
And is it any Saad ornaments was an observer by the security services in Britain and no English because of it, but they did not give it the importance it used to control Iraq after the invasion of Britain to Iraq 2003!!
Some political analysts accused Iran of being behind the murder of Saad ornaments for it was he who leaked pictures of Iranian nuclear reactors to Israel.”
This is just part of your link.
First part of Oliphants link:
The return of the Alps: why kill Saad ornaments? -Ishtar
We have achieved in Laurel in Iraqi killed Ishtar British Saad ornaments and his wife and her mother here and here I think we-the Laurel and readers-we have an investigation where we discussed all the possibilities very unbeatable. But this article written by close family, ancestry and friendship visits and letters, the author conveys the most online conversation with Saad ornaments. And tries to answer the question “why kill Saad ornaments” answer that the Mossad assassins, not to family disputes or relationship was with President Saddam Hussein as some news. But what surprised him and can’t understand is that while the relationship almost writer document it until killing the man and his family did not know the nature of his work, but read in reports and news. Strange isn’t it? We are curious, the first thing we ask our neighbours after the migrant health and peace, is the nature of the workplace. The impression that the author wasn’t this close relationship. In General, add his article to include new information, and that they do not shed light on the mysteries of the crime.
By: Hussein ornaments
More topic raise signals are based on health and have no clue in the clear to pay attention of the floundering public opinion in other directions that there is disagreement between the Saad family and his brother Zaid!!! Or that Saad and his family link to former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his fortune!!!
All these conclusions contained no real facts, the author of these lines on a strong family relationship Saad ornaments and linked by friendship lasted years until the last months before his death.”
More:
“And while many Iraqis from the daily called the US presence “liberation” was openly avowed that Saad “occupation” …!
I wondered to myself how man reared at a very early age (left Iraq at the age of 7 years) and spent most of his life in the West (Britain) to be carrying such hard-line ideas of America and Israel! The avkarktelk guys left in the West and the owners ideas of political Islam in the Arab world!
I even got scared him because of those ideas and advised him not to publicly professed these ideas in Britain. But it did not pay attention!
No differences in views between myself and walagthadt Saad left a shadow over our relationship. But the contrary relationship evolved we stayed we communicate constantly with some even during my time in CNN’s network in Iraq.”
“Finally Facebook messages between me and him from the period November 2011 to….”
November 2011. When sa’ad started at SSTL (?)
Or was it November 2010 (?).
The MOD passes remind me of MacDill AFB in Tampa, where visitors were/are allowed to roam around unescorted (at a base with a Special Ops command centre).
http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/macdill/overseer-of-bin-laden-raid-to-head-special-ops-command-at-macdill/1168026
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven
http://www.utnrotcalum.org/alumni/Flag1977BillMcRaven.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg
Sorensen. Hashim born in najaf. That is in his documents.
Katie
Please translate “ornaments” with “al hilli”
Thank you
Iran/CIA/Iraq information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Special_Operations_Command
Bluebird.
I have tried several ways, thinking it maybe ‘engineer’ or something,but no.
I am left thinking it’s embellish or exaggerate, brave ,strong ?