The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
One of the jobs of cyber warfare is to create false personas online. Was Saad al-Hilli’s online persona false? Was the (now-deleted_ pilgrimage to Qom a real pilgrimage, but part of a false persona?
From 2011:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
Petraeus, MacDill AFB and sock puppets all in one article. Where is that poster who talked about puppets so frequently?
re SAH having an MOD pass for Galileo work. “Dopey said 16 Sep, 2012 – 12:52 pm @ Kathy I agree Kathy. I was a tad more interested in the unnamed cousin mentioned in that article who said look to who he worked for to find who killed him. I reckon he must have had to have security clearance to do work for Surrey Satellites. Looking on Linkedin I’ve found several engineers all working there who say they’re security cleared. One (Juan Pedro Mediano Alameda) mentions he had security clearance to work on the Galileo project with access to classified docs (bragging much Juan Pedro?”
re the Arabic post. The date was recent 12.11.2012. The relative’s name was Hussein (?the cousin) He gave his email as Husshill@… Hussein al Hilli, canadian journalist.
quite possibly a stroke/brain trauma causing partial paralysis and speech loss as a result torture probably involving beating and electric shock?
Q
15 Nov, 2012 – 5:46 pm for above
Is this re Bluebird at 7.16pm Katie Please translate “ornaments” with “al hilli” Thank you Katie at 7.43 Bluebird. I have tried several ways, thinking it maybe ‘engineer’ or something,but no. I am left thinking it’s embellish or exaggerate, brave ,strong ?
Google translates Saad = saad but al Hilli = ornaments, presumably a similar machine translation as ‘Horses’ for Chevaline ‘الحلي هي الأدوات والأغراض التي تستخدم للزينة، من قبل النساء خصوصاً.’ translates as ‘Ornaments are the tools and objects used for decoration, by women in particular.’ Actually this is nonsense – a cut and paste into Word allows the letters to run right to left, but here they have been transposed into left to right and on careful examination are mirror image of the arabic letters wiki entry “ornament” (see where the full stop comes)
(email for cousin was husshilli@….)
Oliphant.
I used Bing translate. It just converted ‘ornaments’ back to the Arabic spelling, I did it a number of times & 1 came up as ‘costume’….which still didn’t make sense.
Maybe there is no equivalent in English it’s an Arabic thing.
Edit: Sorry, Olifant
………..al Hilli means from Hilla a region in Iraq.
“How’s Aziz Zaid and family ?”
Who’s Aziz ?
Katie
Hillah might also mean “ornament”
It is 100% clear from the text and its sense that ornament = al hilli
Just a translation bug of the software thst does not know that this is a surname.
Ah just before I turn in Bluebird. No, it doesn’t ,read this….ornaments & Jewelery is mentioned for a few, could it be a term of endearment ?
“Did not know about Mr. Kazem partisan affiliations and ornaments not functioning in politics but his thoughts were liberal in orientation and largely sympathetic with the monarchy in Iraq before July 14, 1956
In the early 1960s it was Kathem jewelry businessman known as I have with other partners are Mr. Jalil Morgan and Zia sebti sanitary paper factory famous name (Kleenex) in addition to poultry farms and laboratories for hatching chicken eggs and real estate and other property and was married to Ms. fluent/son Zaid Saad.
The interviewee does the Baath party to power in Iraq in a July 17, beginning of the end of the honeymoon for industrialists and traders and businessmen in Iraq including Kazem ornaments where the new system has begun to enact laws for the State control of industrial production, trade and laws limiting the development and expansion of the industrial sector, and many other laws where many traders found the Iraqis some sort of restrictions on commercial activity.
Out of Iraq
In late 1969, two years after a coup 17 July shocked Mr. Kazem ornaments domestic event make it submit to radical changes the path his life and his family’s life path. In that year the oldest of the Baath regime to arrest a group of Iraqi politicians with conservative and the liberal orientation led by former Prime Minister Abd ar-Rahman al-Bazzaz on charges of collaborating with u.s. intelligence (CIA) conspiracy against the Government, “revolution”, among them Mr. Hashim is a former diplomat ornaments free Mr. Kazem ornaments where Mr. Hashim ornaments guest when former Iraqi Security Director Nazim kazar known as sadith severity and subjected to various forms of torture. After his release several years ago and is paralyzed tongue cannot speak, requests sent to London for treatment and learn pronunciation as a toddler!
This event was the arrest of Mr. Kazem-free trinkets and terrifying shock warning to family so he sent his wife and his sons, the small details and Saad to Beirut and then to London and did not return to Iraq of its time.
Mobile ornaments left Kazem between Iraq, Beirut, London and intervals until 1981 while pulling his luggage and decided to leave his property and Iraq and join his family in London.
In his final bit of pressure on his brother mhamdalhali (Uncle Saad), who ran his brother amal Kadhim follows agency business as government harassment and the confiscation of many property and plants most recently arrested in the mid-1980s without any charge and checked intelligence and subjected to psychological pressure and blackmail, where was his bargaining by Iraqi President’s brother Barzan Al-Tikriti personally for the acquisition of a poultry and selling chicken massacre in an amount not equal to auiaadel for the actual person Barzan!!!!.
At that time his family settled permanently, Kazem jewellery in London and did not return to Iraq during the reign of Saddam, has been acquiring property and large home located in adhamiyah and acquire a remaining House and thus captured an Iraqi family house until the end of 2003
The return of Saad to Iraq
In March 2003 the United States launched Western support ground and air attack on Iraq to topple President Saddam Hussein, Iraq is the occupation and the installation of an interim ruling Council to pave the way for free elections in that year, at the end of which he returned to Iraq, Saad trinkets for the first time since he left 33 years ago where I met him I also return to Iraq since they left at the end to Canada in 1985 in my parents ‘ House and his wife Ms. Iqbal yolk was accompanied by our family conversations and General You can be discerned the intellectual and political orientations of Saad.
The return of Saad in the base class for the purpose of follow-up to the family home in adhamiyah and recovery of people who seized the Saddam time where Saad went alone there with those persons controversy evolved into mshahanat and clash of the hands caused by wounding Saad in the head where he was attacked by people at home. Not leave it but kept Saad uses pressure and communications for the purpose of removing a malicious user from home and him eventually.
I found Saad people holding strongly باراءه and he’d be bold not fear openly profess باراءه and ideas and not the kind that waives the right to … It was my first opportunity to exchange gossip about alienation, life in the West where you choose I chose Canada is Britain.”
Note in that translation, it says:
“Saad went alone there with those persons controversy evolved into mshahanat and clash of the hands caused by wounding Saad in the head where he was attacked by people at home.
Not leave it but kept Saad uses pressure and communications for the purpose of removing a malicious user from home and him eventually.”
James
Aziz Zaid is most likely brother Zaid al Hilli.
I believe the translation software made a name of the word “respected”.
He probably wrote: “how are your respected brother zaid and his family doing”.
Arab politeness.
Aziz also means “respected”.
Katie
Most of the arab names have a meaning and the software translates their names!
You must retranslate their names:
E.g.
Kadhim partisan affiliations and ornaments
This is a name!
Probably meaning something like
Kadhim abdul jalabi al hilli.
Ms fluent/son zaid saad is
Ms Fasiha Zaid Saad Shaaban ( the mother). Zaid being obviously her father and Saad her grandfather.
Mr jalil morgan is not “morgan” but a translation where shoul not be translated. Morgan needs to be retranslated.
Blue…
Ah ! How’s “Dear Zaid”. Makes sense now.
The clean team has already removed some sites regarding dion longwood but there are still google links (dead).
Look at the email addresses remaining in the link description:
http://www.meder.com/…/external-alt.csv… [email protected] [email protected] iewm@ wietech.com.br ….. [email protected] [email protected] tim.porter @securecomponents.com …
This is the dead website link.
http://meder.com/meder-error.html
Check what this website is doing.
That is what dion longworth was recently doing with AMX
There is a amx email address, that is why i found that link.
Check securecomponents.com
That is also one of the team’s emails listed there.
Isnt that the same technology saad al hilli was working?
And we have a direct link from dion longworth to javer nackvi in the uk, who has a link to QinetiQ, who has common projects with surrey satellites.
You can always use pastebin.com to and setup a cummulative outline. The website I have been with many years whilst working/debunking hoaxes in a see of believers. . That one allows you to edit your posts without a time constraint very advantageous.. I was using a thread http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&num=1347056926&action=display&start=105
where essentially i am only poster on this topic. I beliee it allows you to make your own blog as well. The mods can always alert as they can see ips if you are getting funny visitors and are quick to stop trolls very rare…its an older but diverse and talented mature site..group..When I say talented very talented.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=memberblogs.
Thats all you need is to have that function as library contnuous whre it wont be splitup every time thread grows bigger. Someone asks repeat question refer them to there.
That way you are not slowed down here, and prevents rushing foward as well and missing things. Discussion ideal here because of Senor Murrays background..and he knows the international political issues. Like inhouse advisor, though he tries not to intervene ..this is good thing.
Just my 2 centavos
Sys
Israel needs to be condemned by all righteous, honest men and women. The assault on Gaza in December 2008 also came right after a US presidential election. As if to signal who’s the boss? A normal country would be grateful for having the US as it’s (sole, as it were) ally, and not embarrass a new President in this way, as they did in 2008-09, and now again. As if to say: You can’t do anything. We, a country the size of Delaware plus the adjacent Cecil County in Maryland*, can through our lobby gather enouigh support in Congress so that you as President is irrelevant.
You can click on me name and see the 2 attacks on US military forces in 2009, carried out by Palestinians as revenge, on Israels ONLY ally on this planet, namely the Ford Hood massacre in Texas and the Camp Chapman attack in Eastern Afghanistan.
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* We are talking inhabited square area here, therefore the largely empty Negev is deducted.
I’m very sorry that Katie due to her unwise comments with regards to the visdom involved in israeli decisionmaking, has scubbered this board. Either she is just not very wise, or she is indeed a misinformer, as Ferret has suggested. Because to issue a form of “understanding” towards the Zionist regime on a public British board, is simply unacceptable.
<strong<Petraeus is as you know a very bright guy, who easily can put two and two together. And in january 2010 he testified to Congress, that Israel’s actions were putting the lives of American servicemen and -women at risk. For this reason it’s a safe bet that Israel don’t like him, and given the power of its lobby pover US politics (click me name if in any doubt) I would certinly include this lead in the investigation over motives to scubber Petraeus.
Jon.
Could you put a stop to Kenneths [ and others] baiting & bullying about Israel.
Please remind him this post is about the Al Hillis…. ?
bluebird You need to gather what you’ve found and put it in a concise form on a website, along with documentation over links that are now dead, as to prove your theory that some dark forces — or “clean team” as you put it — are busily disconnecting links. Unless you do, I’m afraid that people won’t believe you. It’s simply not enough to dig stuff up. it needs to be presented in a neat and appealing way, preferrebly on a website of its own. If you’re afraid of making a website for fear that the “dark forces” will find you, well you yourself has said that any intelligence service can find any of us in just one hour.
Morning Bluebird.
I trust your judgement on the translation,you seem to be the only one who has a good grasp of what these names & terms mean.
I was a bit concerned about Saad having a fight with the tennant in the Bagdad house, I assume that was on the trip that he took his bullet proof vest ? The time he went to do the business deal worth £800,000 ?
@Katie
Israels actions towers over everything that has to do with security, especially after 9/11 when it cunningly managed to allign its own cracking down on legitimate Palestinian protests over the occupation with the wider socalled War on Terror, an american misnomer that in english would be termed something like Assault against terrorism, provided 1) any decent englishman were able to put this blabber into his mouth <nd 2) He wouldn’t have an ides as to which actions provokes uprisings/terror, which is unrealistic. Because terror is something that different people for different reasons resort to at different times.
Bluebird – Can you help track Katie down, as I think she is a misinformer. We know she runs 2 websites and there is a picture of her on them. If she removes the picture, we can always see it on the way back machine.
You are coming across as a complete idiot Sorrenson. You may wish to think you’re mixing with spooks but a reality check is needed I think.
As for Israel …….. do stop lecturing me as though I’m a five year old !!!
Sorensen
Certainly NOT. I dont easte my time in tracking blog posters for you.WTF!
I agree with Katie that you please stay on topic. We do collect evidence and conclusions every day. Yesterday was the best day since 2 months. Unfortunately you are trying to ruin that although you have some days from time to time when you contribute good stuff regarding the hillis. I would appreciate when you would stay here and concentrate on your welcome digging and contributions rather than on your political statements.
I hope that felix is coming back to properly translate the post of the CNN guy hussein al hilli. I am missing ferret, too. Such a heavy investigation can only be successful with participation of intelligent people from different parts of the world and when every piece of us has some special talents or special software what we can share.
Lets go on please.
Dion Longworth and Saad al Hilli have a connection in secure projects! They have connections on the internet. Dion Longworth has connections to the UK military defense ministry and on top of all connections we have the Baronesse.
That is better than what ian fleming could have ever thought about.
Who is “Dion Longworth”. You see, if I can’t find out, many others likely cannot. And few people can be bothered to go back on the thread, like myself, but needs it to be presented in a clear cut form.
And I didn’t start to mention Israel’s attack on Gaza. It is THIS that should be ignored then, but i got sparked of when Israel expressed sympathy for israel, which is ABSOLUTELY forbidden in any gathering where intelligent and honest people come, because as you know Israel’s actions is prime responsible for todays ongoing terror hype, and in all likely hood Saad would be alive today if it weren’t for Israel.*
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*)Either they directly killed him, or the hype they created about Iran not be allowed to develop industrially, makes them indirectly responsible.
Since it seems that this thread will continue to exist as long as you birds keep chirping, and Craig Murray doesn’t up and die, I think it is necessary to post a working hypotheis about what has happened in case the dicussion ever moves beyond the loony bin, so here goes:
Saad and Iqbal al-Hilli, Suhaila al-Allaf, and Slyvain were murdered in a neo-con plot reminiscent of the 9/11 suicide bombings in the hope that it could provide a ‘smoking gun’ for taking out Iran, thanks to eavesdropping and satellite mapping provided by NSA, the victims provided by MI6 and DGSE, and the assassins provided by the Mossad – what would set-up Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney to do the job, once he had been elected, thanks to the secret agenda that DCI General David Petraeus has been following.
The only trouble with putting together a plot based upon what Saad and Slyvain were doing was that it was all based upon fabrications about spying, money, and Tehran, leading to just senseless murders which leading assassin, William Hershkovitz it seems, could not abide, resulting in his murder of his work-study boss, Arab-Israeli Armando al-Abed, and his own murder/suicide, the assassination of Exxon-Mobil executive Nick Mockford to keep alive claims that al-Hilli et al. had been involved in some kind of espionage, and then the breaking of the story about Petraeus working to throw Obama under a bus for not doing enough for Israel, and allowing the Libyan cock-up, once the exit polls showed that he had won re-election despite all the money and ads that the remaining neo-cons had thrown into Mitt’s election and Bibi’s re-election,leaving only a new war against Hamas and its Palestinian supporters.