The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
I wrote:
Should read:
,
because these are not the same things (I hope).
Was it by coincidence that Saad was back in Iraq in 2003, That’s when all the looting took place, what if Saad had one of Saddams computers ?
:
“Witnessing Saddam Hussein’s power slip away, hundreds of Iraqis rushed to take everything else Wednesday: They used pickup trucks and wheelbarrows to haul off everything from refrigerators to flower pots from government ministries, police stations and state companies.
Among the sites plundered: the state-owned Oil Marketing Co., traffic police headquarters, and Iraq’s Olympic headquarters, which was said to be the site of a torture center run by one of Saddam’s sons. The looters took computers, appliances, tires, bookshelves, tables, even Iraqi jeeps.”
http://www.boston.com/news/daily/09/war_baghdad.htm
Excuse the misspelling of Sylvain Mollier’s first name.
Throw
I fully understand that you defend the CIA and that you try to move the interest towards somebody else without presenting us any proof. Fully understandable because youre paid for doing that.
Sorensen
Do you have google? Type the name!
Now something else.
MAARS!!!
What did Saad say? I will bring security into iraq! How? MAARS!
Longworth apperently worke for MAARS.
MAARS is a qinetiq product.
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/qna-ships-first-maars-robot.aspx
Qinetiq also worked for lockheed martin for their future fightplane:
{http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/qinetiq-plays-key-role.aspx
http://www.qinetiq-na.com/press-release/qinetiq-north-americas-aircraft-armor-selected-by-lockheed-martin/
More of qinetiq:
{ http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsqinetiq-to-provide-training-simulation-services-for-us-navy
{ http://www.govconwire.com/2012/04/qinetiq-names-mark-nappi-svp-manager-for-nasa-kennedy-contract/
MAARS is a top secret project. Remember the first plot of the movie TERMINATOR?
Remember the word Skylink?
That is MAARS.
MAARS is less constructed for warfare but particularly for controlling the own people (uprise, demonstrations, etc). The perfect weapon for all billionaires and fascists and dictatorships
Right I’ve had enough of this, for 24 hours I’ve taken flak from bullies trying to make out I’m many things because I said this in reply to :
James 5-55.
“No they got P****d off with rockets being fired at them”.
Mochyn then jumps in with
@Katie
14 Nov, 2012 – 6:16 pm
Apologist for extra judicial zionist murder.
Enough said.
That comment opened the way for five other posters to jump in with their own sneering agenda.
I’m sick of it, all I see are a bunch of control freaks who make too much out of nothing to continue a feud, it’s pathetic when grown ups behave like a mob of childish trolls.
It’s a free country, I am a free individual, I can think & say what I want & should not have to put up with it.
I do not criticise you or your opinions & you all should allow others the same respect…………Grow up all of you.
Stop talking about me & stay on topic !!!
JON
I hope you are around ?
MAARS
Of course maars wont have conventional weapons as to be seen in the youtube demos. MAARS will have various laser weapons. That way it does not need anybody to reload ammunition.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/science/28robot.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Energy? Likely Hafnium. But that is top secret. Explosion in Longworth house could be a hafnium explosion. What a mess!
Since you birds cannot even get my shortened first name correct, how could anyone expect you to get something right which isn’t spelled out for you.
Charging DCI Petraeus with betraying the President is avoiding the CIA? It’s called treason.
And tieing the murders in France with those in Israel, Gaza, and Belgium is moving their investigation forward – what you loonies avoid while making any convenient suicides, like that of Longworth, the center of your inquiries.
And I am getting paid for making such claims when, in fact, I am threatened by Sam Rosenfeld of losing all my wealth for doing so!
atempted semi reconstruction
21 Feb 2012. Hussein Hilli So you left the final fairway Saad!!
certainly not I’m not sure when but I’m planning to come when I decide I’ll tell you yes I hear that Iraq is not safe for any of the thugs sad for the Family ….. OK but no longer use MSN since idiots from Jordan seized on my one last year and created many problems I’m aware I sent an email to Knight last August 11 departure of the father where his death was due to a clot if at all raided weeks before that I can see you are living in Amman and I personally hate it I do not want to return to that I have not received something from him take care of yourself and hit Knight greetings
11.25 Saad Hilli It is bad everywhere you go these days. We’ll stay in a place we know so it ……. but pentane could revive ……. I hope to come back to Iraq
Hussein Hilli Yes messages could come up with is automatic since Fares agreed on sending them to you to tell him is in Amman with his family the situation is better than before in Baghdad for Lamm but chaos everywhere
11.27. Hussein Hilli. Not do not do it and bring girls as start counting as lonely as he was there and there is something waiting for completion as I did (or maybe Do not bring girls and start counting Not do it as I did as I was lonely there and there is something waiting for completion)
11.25. Saad Hilli. But where the other place to go to him? I’ve got tired of living in the West. The fact is I meant to live in Aalmaje because they have agendas to tear each country in the Middle East.
11.27. Hussein Hilli. Well! I do not recommend coming to live in Iraq or any other Republican country in the Middle East. Have bought an apartment in Amman and will move there to live. Oman will be a place to meet old friends, somewhat suitable place for comfort and stability
11.28. Saad Hilli Do you have a Skype account in Jordan
11.30 Hussein Hilli Yes and I also have Tstata Aejada (account Hotmail/Gmail??) Fares in Oman and has Skype account: Smil–gface -.
11.33 Saad Hilli Is that your name on Skype?
11.30 Hussein Hilli. Yes and you can as below Aejada email You need java script enabled to view it protected from spambots and address is being HussHilli@—
http://hoosiersforfairtaxation.blogspot.com/2012/11/indianapolis-explosion-update-shocking.html
“We got into a discussion today at the office about unanswered questions surrounding the Indy explosion. The main unanswered question surrounds the husband of the couple who was killed. We found it suspicious that the MSM did not tell us about the life of the husband (John Dion Longworth), but went into great detail about his wife.”
“One of my co-workers pointed out that everytime she watched the news they flashed his picture for a split second and hers for a long time. That made another co-worker dig around and find this You Tube.”
“Regardless of what you believe happened, John Dion Longworth was involved with very high level technology. Does that mean anything? Was he a target? Why was the FBI, CIA, etc. on the scene?”
“It is pointed out in this video that a witness said they saw a black helicopter. The ‘accident’ happened at 11:10pm on 11/10.
Coincidence? I hope people keep asking questions.”
Same lack of info on certain people in the Chevaline case. Same hi level teams if above is factual. For those interested in 55 note the time and date above. Half of eleven is 5.5 and half of 10 is 5 (but I’m sure we all knew that one from doing Jon’s captcha exercises) so the numbers are 555 555 and the next one up will be 666 !! So beware of what happens at 12:12 am or pm on 12/12/12 half of that bunch is 66 666 !! Only a few shopping days left before that or at best 12/21/12 and the end of the world as we know it.
66 Princes Gate is all residential. The place next door to the late Gareth Williams flat comes up in a price estimator: A property that sold at a similar time and price as Montrose Court Flat 66 Princes Gate, recently sold again. 34 Alderney Street, which was bought for £840,000.00 on 05/05/2004 was sold for £2,365,000.00 on 27/07/2007. This is a price change of 37.8% per year.
There is no 666 Princes Gate, which is just as well, since the Prince of Darkness would come thru that.
Implications of SAH conversations. He was fed up with (his) / life in the West. He wished to return to the Middle East. He thought they were tearing up the Middle East. He had had problems with being raided – presume his email account. Problems also with Skype. It seems inconceivable that -I5 were not watching him. His emails seemed unguarded although he must have realised he was being watched and emails read.
Was this just cover while in reality he was working for M-6? His sadness at having to leave home country was probably deep seated and he was genuinely upset about its fate. Would he work against it for money? As this seems the only possible motivation.
If he was being watched as someone among the Iraqi ex pat community with hostility to western policy wouldn;t that also rule him our for work and secrets which must not get out. So his work would have remained low key? Or are the UK’s counter espionage and counter terrorism agencies weak and ineffective?
The other possible role would be using his Shia link to supply misinformation to Iran. Would he do this? Why?
That leaves the money his father had banked or knew where it was in Switzerland and Liechtenstein. More likely track to follow? As he was about to take his family to Middle East and money would be very handy.
NR
Yes I too had heard about a very large black helicopter
and I wondered if there was a connection to:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longworth_House_Office_Building
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Longworth
Why didnt they use this method for extraction of the Al-hilli family?
Much quicker, no confusing story.
No involving Inspector Clouseau.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/nov/14/dion-really-loved-his-time-here-woman-recalls-of/
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/14-11-2012/122803-stealth_technology_china-0/
On China selling stealth aircraft:
This is probably the result of the work of Chinese intelligence. In particular, there was a scandal in the United States in 2009 connected with the theft of drawings from six American aerospace contractors, including those involved in the development of the F-35 fighter.
The “Chinese miracle” may have some commercial success in the arms market, but the real value of such military aircraft today is questionable. The growing number of satellites in Earth’s orbit makes it easy to detect any number of any type of aircraft from space to subsequently destroy them.
On Russia getting temporarily screwed out of a 4+ billion arms deal with Iraq, ’cause the Iraqis claimed too much of that was bribes. Russia claimed that was only an excuse ’cause US was furious and pressured them to cancel.
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/politics/14-11-2012/122804-russia_iraq_arms-0/
World politics is full of intrigues. They are often built around powerful countries and their interests in the international arena. The hype surrounding the alleged failure of a large Russian arms deal with Iraq has made numerous headlines across the world. The matter has been solved now, but who was behind it and who profits from such intrigues?
Expert questions idea that faulty furnace may have caused deadly …
Greenfield Daily Reporter-13 Nov 2012
She and her husband, John Dion Longworth, lived in one of the homes destroyed in the blast. (Nov. 12). The owner of one of the homes that …
Link :
http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/82037610c78247b89a2fe2089ea95b7d/US–Indianapolis-House-Explosion
Well there’s a surprise.
Cleaners at it already..
From the story in previous link it handily explains why the couple may be in the basement, and how they happened to find their bodies probably neatly there sitting with arms crossed.
It appears from photos that the explosion was directional
ie. From the basement UP AND OUT
Perhaps the helicopter seen before hand was merely a postal delivery.
olifant,
I guess that “Knight” is an Arab name of a male person, e.g. “Fares”, wrongly translated as “Knight”. “Fares” means “Knight” in Arab and a little bit later in that text somebody was called “Fares” in that conversation. You must retranslate that “Knight” so that it spells like an Arab name and makes sense. Other than that I believe that’s a pretty good translation. Where are Suhail and Felix when we need them?
NR
Well, that would be quite something when Dion Longworth would be a close relative of THAT Longworth and THE Roosevelts.
straw,
are you sure that your latest link is correct. I’m getting an error message …
Any ideas what this means?(This was behind the broken link):-
A PHP Error was encountered
Severity: Notice
Message: Undefined offset: 4
Filename: controllers/view.php
Line Number: 270
BB
This is already a ‘Nothing to see here story, please move along’.
Also reminds me of : –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g_GeQR8fJo
@Straw
Why didnt they use this method for extraction of the Al-hilli family?
Good question. Maybe because “dental records would be needed to make an official identification of the deceased”?
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/nov/14/dion-really-loved-his-time-here-woman-recalls-of/
80 homes damaged, some will never be allowed to go back.
Nobody has posted a comment here which is unusual for the U-T, even though story was written on 12/11.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/12/search-for-cause-of-deadly-indianapolis-explosion/
Ferret,
Dental records, Iqbal could have come in handy there. Shows the need for SM to be involved.
Another link gone:-
Some residents blaming homeowner for explosion
ABC 57 News – 10 hours ago
INDIANAPOLIS — The home explosion that leveled part of a block and killed two people has some people blaming the homeowner. But the homeowner said she is also a victim in the deadly explosion. Moncy Shirley’s home exploded killing her neighbors …
DEAD LINK:-
http://www.abc57.com/sports/local/Some-residents-blaming-homeowner-for-explosion-179549411.html
If some links suddenly go “dead” you need to document it by screenshotting it before and after, and put those shots on Icke.
Map of the houses damaged:-
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-ifd-releases-new-map-of-conditions-of-homes-damaged-from-explosion-20121115,0,1686951.column
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=46428
“We are recognized globally due to the established awareness of our Aragon and Acurus brands,” he said. “We have customers from China and several other countries who are hungry for quality American brands. Based on the demand we’re experiencing, we expect a large part of our revenue will come from exporting Indiana-manufactured, high-technology products to our overseas customers.”
++++
Overseas customers: QinetiQ?
Kenneth
Unfortunately I never got to see the before on these links. They were already dead.
Just did a Google News search for Dion Longworth and the news stories were listed.
I have problems sometimes getting it all to show up in Icke (still learning)
I can understand why screen shotting (pressing PRINT SCREEN) can seem to be an arduous task, also because WINDOWS by default only is able to store one item at the time in the clipboard. That means that if you want to take several screen shots you’l have to constantly pasting these into for example Paint.
But it is here taht Picasa comes handy. This free programme from Google need to run in the bcakground, and everytime you press PRINT SCREEN a notifier pops in on the right hand side of your screen, so that you know that a shot has been taken and stored. And you can just go on taking as many shots as you like.
Dont particularly want to admit this, but havent used Print Screen in 20+ years. Didnt even know we still had one, and now cant get mine to do anything.
I’m not gonna lose sleep over it. Dont get enough anyway.
Yes, it does actuelly take a shot (and stores it in the clipboard) – and you can easily verify this by opening “Paint” – a free program that is included in every Windows machine – and then pres CRTL+V and the image is inserted.
http://www.utsandiego.com/photos/2012/nov/11/723066/
Straw44berry
16 Nov, 2012 – 12:35 pm Mains or Lpg gas can do this sort of damage. there are many examples from Ronan Point onwards. Even methane seepage grom land fill. however if these are excluded the cause becomes much more problematical and sinister. What is interesting from the above photograph is the pronounced directional nature of the blast laterally. You will notice there is hardly any significant damage across the road yet adjacent houses are completely demolished and even the next ones are badly damaged. There must be a reason for this as explosion is naturally in all directions equally unless restrained. It might be caused by a different and stronger form of construction front and back but this seems highly unlikely. It almost appears as if all three properties exploded from surrounding debris rather than just caught fire. This could be explained by a gas leak to all three set off by the central one. Gas is easily ruled in or ruled out. If not that would have to look for other explanations including military materials.