The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
It strikes me no one here wants to discuss this contact,yet we all know Pakistan has a nuclear facility.
“London: Investigations into the murder of British engineer Saad al-Hilli, his wife, mother-in-law, and a passing cyclist have led to a mystery man in Pakistan, who is believed to have been in touch with Saad in recent months. ”
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/police-find-pakistan-link-in-french-alps-murder-case_801478.html
Previous post should read “without any response from me,” not “with…”
Trow ,
Based on that you may as well say Ah could be a perfect recruit too then, no one was more anti Saddam than him & his family.
@ trowbridge
So you reckon Ayob is the “Mata Hari” then Trowbridge?
I definitely got vibes of an illicit liaison from what she wrote.
As Saad was a ‘ladies man’ for 40 years, I’d say old habits die hard. She doesn’t say what year they met, but I note when she talks about the girls visit she does not mention the Igbal, mother, just Saad.
“Sounds to me that she, like many bloggers for THP, is a Mossad agent, perhaps even a member of the kidon which killed al-Hilli et al.”
I just assumed that she was his bird, not that she’s part of the hit team.
Suggesting that our man is a bit of a player?
“As Saad was a ‘ladies man’ for 40 years, I’d say old habits die hard. She doesn’t say what year they met, but I note when she talks about the girls visit she does not mention the Igbal, mother, just Saad.”
She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker, for someone who’s supposed to be shy…
Could be, but not necessarily important – just shows what lengths covert agencies will go to in order to entrap and/or kill targets.
And I am an experienced expert on the subject.
Still wondering who the mystery Pakistani is. A. Q. Khan? B.S.A. Tahir? Who?
Looks like the plotters in the massacre are starting to get a bit worried.
Kempe wrote:
I can’t understand your statement at all,Kempe because the kurdish areas of Iraq have been home grown for Israeli instructors (training of kurds to attack Saddam and to infiltrate over the border into Iran) for many years. Its logic: Iraq constitutes 3 major parts, and Kurds are not Arabs so there is no antagonism there, and its a small entity who aims for independence, so some hints from the israelis that they favours this would also work for maintaining good relations.
Some background about Iraqi Shias in the UK and their power in our world ruling politics.
In the 1970tees and early 1980tees they established the so called London Group. Their main objective was to remove Saddam’ mafia from power in Iraq and to regain power in Iraq and to get more influence in Iran. Their objective is a secular Shia government in Iran.
For accomplishing this mission they were bribing international politics and taking influence particularly into UK politics and USA politics by bribing parties and politicians.
Founders of the London Group were amongst others the Al-hilli family (kadhim and hashim) as well as the Allawi family (ayed) and the Al Saffar family (Ammar).In the early 1980tees they were joined by Nadhmi Auchi who had troubles with Saddams mafia in Iraq.
Nadhim Auchi is one of the 10 richest men in the world today. He is member of “Le Cercle”, an organisation that rules the world as an anti democratic club.
The London Group was creating the Iraqi Dawa party in London while they had the best connections to the Usa president, Senate and of course the CIA. Today they call themselves Anglo Arab Society, however, it is still the London Group who is taking the ruling agenda in that society, particularly Auchi and the families who created the London Group.
The London group is also supportive of Hamas and Hezbollah as they need those groups to defend their financial interest in the Middle East.
The London Group and the CIA planned the first and the second Iraq war as well as the false flag operations that made the second Iraq war possible. Actually they planned the Shia uprise after the first iraq war, too. However that uprise failed and they had to organise and to finance a second war to regain power in Iraq. Meanwhile their London based underground Dawa party was ready to take power in Iraq as soon as Saddam was done.
Today their next goal is a secular society in Iran to be able to follow their capitalistic goals in Iran as well and to get into power with the help of the usa and israel (le cercle!!!)
At the same time they will try to destabilize the Sunni UAE and Saudi Arabia by concerting Shia uprise and terror.
Do not target a certain person (Saad al Hilli) with your research only! That leads to nothing. This is a group and he was a tiny wheel of that group. However, he could have been either an important part of that group with his knowledge, or else he could have become a traitor or whistleblower. We dont know and they wont tell us. However: neither SAH nor his family was an ordinary family. They were part of organising the world, wars and false flag operations.
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Debunking_the_Carter_Ruck_defence_of_British-Iraqi_billionaire_Nadhmi_Auchi
Those of you who enjoy thinking and scientific background research might enjoy to read that link.
Trow.
One thing, they must have something in common, it would appear AH met this Pakistani though his angry online rants against Israel, this sounds like a dangerous liaison !
Was this the man he was afraid of ?
I suspect if Shreen Ayob had ever bedded Saad, there would have been no need of a massacre – he could have been blackmailed into doing whatever the plotters wanted.
And the presence of his girls when he met Shreen looks like she never bedded him either, as they would have been the witnesses.
Looks like a guy who was just tempted by a most eager, younger woman, but who still played it safe when they met.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1612.htm
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OMG Bluebird, without reading the article/link you have dropped two names which are connected to Obama.
I remember them well when O was first running for the presidency, we coupled them with Pastor Wright saying this man has some very dodgy pals.
Additional input to may article reagarding the LONDON GROUP further above.
For those of you who dont know what Le Circle is:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cercle
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/le_cercle.htm
Auchi represents the London Group in Le Cercle.
Well I’m sorry, but if AH was involved with these men in any way,if he was being pressurised into doing something for them & their ambitions…….. then refused halfway through to carry it out, I’d have no hesitation in saying his death could well be due to that refusal.
These men are Chicago gangsters … the mob !
“…the kurdish areas of Iraq have been home grown for Israeli instructors.”
Israelis training Kurdish terrorists is one thing, recruiting Muslims into Mossad is quite another. It might provide the perfect alibi but it sounds like a security nightmare.
Have found an investigative journalist from BBC who seems to be doing some digging into what happened. The following was copied from Twitter…
24 Sep Simon Cox @simoncoxreports
@shreen_ayob Interested in your piece on Huff post. Working on doc on shootings for R4. Trying to get record straight but v difficult
24 Sep Shreen @shreen_ayob
@simoncoxreports Yes, because no close friends are speaking out, severe lack of info, people jumping to idiotic conclusions.
24 Sep Simon Cox @simoncoxreports
@shreen_ayob I know. New theories emerge one day and are quashed the next. I’m hoping we avoid that.
24 Sep Shreen @shreen_ayob
@simoncoxreports Am happy to give second opinion/fact check for you if that helps?
24 Sep Simon Cox @simoncoxreports
@shreen_ayob Yes that may be helpful. My personal theory having been to site is they disturbed something.
25 Sep Simon Cox @simoncoxreports
@shreen_ayob Do you have email or number to check something with you?
No further replies from Shreen, but she must have made contact with him, as a couple of days later, she ‘tweeted’ the following…
Shreen @shreen_ayob
@SamanthaFenwic1 Good job on the Annecy murders prog last night, you did well not to dispell some of the more outlandish rumours.
28 Sep Samantha Fenwick @SamanthaFenwic1
@shreen_ayob Thanks Shreen @simoncoxreports and I are pleased with your thoughts on the programme. Please keep in touch.
He’s also made contact with one of Saad’s Facebook friends (Fa tbastard)…
26 Sep 12 · Fa Tba Stard @FBH3
@simoncoxreports please keep me up to date with al hilli stuff Saad was a good friend 🙁
26 Sep Simon Cox @simoncoxreports
@FBH3 Oh right. Why dont you dm me your email? Be interesting to chat
Also, Shreen was originally an engineer. According to her Linkedin profile, she worked as a…
“Pipelay Analyst Engineer
Saipem
Public Company; 10,001+ employees; ENI; Oil & Energy industry
November 2006 – March 2010 (3 years 5 months) London
Saipem specialise in offshore construction engineering. I developed construction processes for international offshore projects including the world’s largest subsea pipeline, Nord Stream. I also worked offshore on various construction vessels in the North Sea.
Engineer
SAV UK
July 2006 – October 2006 (4 months) Surrey
SAV design and build products for the building service industry.”
(Taken from Linkedin).
She also studied mechanical engineering at Kingston University, as have many of the other employees at Surrey Satellites. Maybe that is how their paths crossed.
Thanks,Mollie, it’s good to know a journalist is pushing for this case.
@katie, quite possible that he rrfused something todo that wss already planned and prepared. We simply dont know.
Perhaps he was preparing a false flag operation or else he was refusing to do it when it was planned, or else he had information about an upcoming or about a previous false flag operation where he had been involved as a scientist.
We simply dont know, but those are likely scenarios.
Bluebird.
My theory is that the ‘mob’ found out he was up to no good,but small time, [ selling snippets of info ] they were blackmailing him to do something big time for them,he refused….. as Gary Aked said he would do that risked harming his daughters.
One gets the impression Saad was a bit talkative, maybe even a braggart, so I don’t see him staying quiet for long if he fell out with the big boys….hence his elimination.
If only we knew of Mollier’s [ French name] roots & if his mother was Iraqi.
Edit:
‘ he would do NOTHING that risked harming his daughters.
So… nothing to do with Aldermaston then, eh Dave.
😉
Possible what you have said, katie.
I think he is more likely the knowing one who refused to do something or else who blackmailed to say something what he had known.
You are right. Such organisations are run like italian mafia clans. Be quiet or else die!
The disappearances from the campsite then, could simply have been to make private calls to his lover ? 😉
You are right. Such organisations are run like italian mafia clans. Be quiet or else die!
Bit like this thread… don’t mention Aldermaston… BECAUSE I SAY SO. Eh Dave?
;-D
I thought I would checkout if there were an Iraqi club UK & found this, one of them is gay.
“The UK government through its Border Agency has decided not to give priority to the asylum application of Iraqi LGBT leader Ali Hili, in exile in London.
The application has been outstanding for nearly three years and while it is outstanding, Ali cannot travel.”
http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.fr/p/ali-must-travel.html
Well if he was doing any stuff at Aldermaston then without doubt he would have had the highest level security clearance, and he wouldnt get THAT if he was ranting in those chatrooms.
I think it was a Mossad orchestrated hit with thugs imported from the middle east, possible from Kurdistan [could also be MEK, who ALREADY do Iarael’s dirty work in Iran killing scientists], with whom Israel has a cordial relationship, only strenghtened after its recent spats with Turkey.