The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ James
Hence…GAry Aked…and no one else. Just my thought. from living overseas.
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And didn’t Gary Aked say they kept in touch via Skype?
Dopey…
I have no idea.
I know the scan copy of the accounts when she was the “sec”, she wasn’t “Al Hilli”, she was “Ikbal Al Saffar”.
I have the pdf of them. She is not “Al Hilli”.
I am re questioning the whole thing…as nothing adds up to anything.
@ James
Perhaps they were….pick a spot in the world ! I don’t know
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erm….Chernobyl? Siberia? Outer Mongolia?
No I’m not disputing Dubai, just using my memory to confirm she was from Iran in early reports (99% sure)
” I saw on a forum in the early days a post by someone who seemed very confident that Iqbal was actually 49 not 47. I wish I could remember where I saw that. Their words were on the lines of “she’s 49 not 47″ ..the post came across as though they definitely knew this”
But if she came here on a moody Swedish passport issued by the Iraq embassy, the birth date could be miles out.
Dopey.
I use it everyday. Just like a phone.
..and he DID say that.
Again…from how I live, I call friends worldwide.
Its that type of job and life, so he must have to. The US friend that came forward !
Aked said also “companies” (plural).
Not AMS1087, that was set up BEFORE he came in.
The whole thing just does add up.
I say Dubai…there is NOTHING of him there.
He met Iqbal there. Did he ? I don’t have a single pic of them stood on the beach here or by the Burj ! Nothing.
Even checked “7days”..and there is nothing other than what has been “told”.
The MSM reluctance to look more closely at the latter possibility is certainly suggestive of ‘turning a blind eye’.
Again, it’s not “reluctance” to speculate about the possibility of Mossad involvement, it’s a complete and utter *avoidance*.
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Indeed.
Another thing…
As we know now well, they’re obviously a big family. There’s a lot of them in the UK. They were supposedly married in the UK.
So why only six people at their wedding?
Dopey…
“erm….Chernobyl? Siberia? Outer Mongolia?”
Could be. I don’t know.
Sweden has alot there. Iqbal’s mother was from there. Pick there !
I don’t know.
I can say..and I believe…he was not in England, like the MSM want us to believe, that is for sure.
Dopey…
“So why only six people at their wedding?”
An “expat”. A friend from DXB got married in Miami last month.
I couldn’t go !
Six is good, if you live an “overseas” life.
@Dave
Thanks for that.
The more you attempt to deflect the conversation, the more certain I become that there’s something to look for.
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The telegraph and times usually wheel out Mossad expert Gordon Davies after a Kidon hit.
Not this time, eh? 🙂
That’s all you need to know.
“Perhaps they were….pick a spot in the world ! I don’t know”
Iraq?
Straw…
“No I’m not disputing Dubai, just using my memory to confirm she was from Iran in early reports (99% sure)”
I don’t know. BUT…
I doubt she held an Emerati passport.
She may have not had an Iranian passport.
Possibly therefore a Swedish one (via mother and father)…..but they don’t say “two swedes”.
Why ?
No doubt asked before but who is?
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/907547166
I agree with you Bilbo, they have been rather good today whereas Anders and I are good every day. [now you also know where the English tendency to brag come from .-) ]
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Touché 🙂
Nuid.
Could be.
I have Swedes living just next door to me. They don’t need to change there passports ? I have “an EU” one *well two but thats flying for you) and I have never changed mine.
So why (with passports in the car) was it not “two swedes and a Brit shot dead” ?
I´m not sure that anyone have posted that al-Hilli most likely also worked for a Swedish high-tech company based in UK, Elekta.
Elekta are into medical laser, al-Hilli was described as “the genious”.
Elekta recently recieved an order from the chinese army ( for medical laser )
https://www.flashback.org/sp39311655
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And which one of the 4 killed is this?
“Briefings by detectives suggested that at least one of the victims could have had links to those working in international espionage or the criminal underworld”
It’s still a jump from student placement at RAL (mid 80s) to working in Aldermaston (80s-90s). And Aldermaston was very much a centre of cold war nuclear spookery.
I agree, it’s a jump.
But definitely a possibility.
Except for spooky Dave, of course.
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Call me Dave is good, that’s why he was sent in after the others made such a hash of things here, lol! 🙂
Dave…
Good question.
He is the “founder” of AMS1087.
Then Al Hilli “came in”.
He was a contractor I believe…and a bit of an “I’ll have a go at that” type guy.
Hence I feel AMS1087 is a nothing line…but it does show, ole Saad is up for a “try” at things.
With the link:
And which one of the 4 killed is this?
“Briefings by detectives suggested that at least one of the victims could have had links to those working in international espionage or the criminal underworld”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202149/France-shooting-No-motives-suspects-investigation-TEN-YEARS.html
The relative size of Israel compared to certain US States and counties is off-topic. In my view, irrational references to Israel, however reprehensible that country’s actions may be from time to time, tend to derail otherwise rational discussions.
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Bollocks CD, the elephant in the living room is completely ON TOPIC.
After all, the elephant DID THE HIT!
“Mr Barnett, a freelance design engineer from Byfleet”
“http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/business/s/2020452_classic_scooter_outlet_turns_on_the_style”
Perhaps where Mr Barnett worked, so did Al-hilli?
Dont shoot me down immediately……..
The Gary And Saad photo. What opinions do you have from that alone.
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1326272.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/SAAD+AL+HILLI+WITH+GARY+AKED+in+1997+
Who were they moving? Were they both doing the moving?
Saad wearing gloves. Gary not.
Lots of women leaving flowers for the family or for him. Like he’s one of the girls?
If SAH met Iqbal in Dubai in 2002, that was just prior to the invasion of Iraq. Was he there to assist the invaders? It is a well known fact that expat Shia Iraqis went into Iraq on the back of American tanks. She too might have been involved.
DA-Notice 02: Nuclear & Non-Nuclear Weapons & Equipment
It is requested that disclosure or publication of highly classified information about nuclear and non-nuclear defence equipment or equipment used to counter threats of terrorist attacks of the kind listed below should not be made without first seeking advice:
(a) nuclear weapons, highly classified information on:
1. the detailed design of nuclear weapons and the technologies for producing them;
2. operational details;
3. detailed security arrangements for the storage, transport and development of nuclear weapons and associated fissile materials;
(b) non-nuclear defence and counter-terrorist equipment, highly classified information on:
1. design details, technical specifications and materials;
2. performance figures and operational capabilities;
3. areas of vulnerability to counter-measures.
Straw
I think that group of women wearing sunglasses were mothers from Zainab’s school.
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(a) defence and related sites associated with the nuclear weapons programme;
(b) high security MOD and military sites associated with intelligence and other sensitive activities;
(c) sites of headquarters or communications facilities for use by government or NATO in time of crisis;
(d) serious vulnerabilities of a long-term nature identified in the Critical National Infrastructure (CNI) which if directly attacked could cause major widespread disruption and/or loss of life*.
It is also requested that where individuals are likely targets for attacks by terrorists, care should be taken not to publish details of their homes or addresses without first seeking advice. People who are assessed as being at particular risk are those with security and counter-terrorist duties or backgrounds. However, others because of their duties or backgrounds may also be at risk in certain circumstances. Specific advice on this will be given on a case-by-case basis.
@Q I thought he went to Qom in late 2010.
Anyone done a search on Stratfor for any info?
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Stratfor is a Mossad front.
@ peter “Anyway, that’s just my two shekels’ worth”.’less…….
keep churning everybody………. til the cow’s come home….
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Yep
The most likely reason I find that the MSM does not talk about any of these areas is because they have found no evidence of a connection between SAH and Iran, nuclear weapons, Israeli involvement or links with the SIS.
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Y indeed.
Rolls eyes.