The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Nuid
“that was said to throw people ‘off the scent’”
Possibly!
Q
Note for a student at Bristol it’s not !
Unless there was a nun with him…then that’s normal !!!
Hello fellow journeymen
I’ve been away for a few days on the Hafnium trail, still digging there, but some fascinating physics and possible applications, which may or may not be aligned with the problem at hand.
Anyhow I’ve got a couple of questions I hope you can help me with
1) We have seen mention of SAH as an Aeronautical Engineer ? Correct or not ?
2) SAH’s brother was reported as requesting data on FPGA programming on a forum somewhere ? If anybody recollects this can you point me to the forum in question
Many thanks …GF
It’s like men holding hands or walking around with their arms around each other. It’s common, normative, in those cultures.
@Q
Apologies once again. Anders was merely quoting my post. My bad.
@Kathy, thanks.
@Suhayl, good to see you in the sleuthing threads!
@Anders7777 – I delete you in particular because you’re by far the most disruptive on these threads. If you can cut out the abuse, and engage your logical/debating faculties, then go for it. There is simply no value in you shouting “smear job idiocy” and “brainwashed reading from scripts” every time someone posts something you disagree with.
According to this the D Notice committee meet just twice a year :-/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14572768
Straw44berry: Regarding effeminacy, see…? The feather boas are not mine, btw! It’s the BBC costume warehouse in Glasgow. Like the beret? 🙂
http://www.bbc.co.uk/learningzone/clips/scottish-short-stories-suhayl-saadi-the-queens-of-govan/5607.html
Dopey…
But then again, it could be like “COBRA”.
As in “as and when”.
Suhayl
I doubt Sa’ad is gay (who knows).
And I rather get “the reverse” in this case.
A charming chap…or rather, he’ll hit on his best mate’s ex ! That guts !
James
Out of interest why do you call him “Sa’ad” and not “Saad”?
Thanks Suhayl,
Though if I am still fancying kebab in the morning its your fault.
Thanks, Jon. You’ve ridden the 7,000-thread-long anaconda and now it’s 1,000+ thread ‘baby’ as well. Phew! Well done! There must be some kind of Distinguished Service Award for Mellow Moderators or perhaps the ‘Craig Murray Medal for Patience, Sanguinity and Indefatigability’.
[I’m tempted to post a smiley face here, but will resist!]
Seriously though, it’s really good you’re here (in the blog cosmology sense).
Dopey…
I have lived in the Middle East….and I work for an Arab.
So it’s Sa’ad. and it’s “Ba “h” rrain”.
It’s just habit. And you don’t get tipped if you can’t speak the lingo !
Insh’Allah !
Straw44berry – good one!!! My pleasure. I know the feeling.
Sorry , must have returned to the wrong thread, just feather boa cobra and bell end discussions here is it ?
Hello GuyF!
I’ve been away for a few days on the Hafnium trail, still digging there, but some fascinating physics and possible applications, which may or may not be aligned with the problem at hand.
Would love to hear…
1) We have seen mention of SAH as an Aeronautical Engineer ? Correct or not ?
Designed kitchen on Airbus, so I heard. Was bumped off for putting coffee-pot holder in wrong place. 🙂 But seriously, yes.
2) SAH’s brother was reported as requesting data on FPGA programming on a forum somewhere ? If anybody recollects this can you point me to the forum in question
Recollect: yes
Link: no, sorry
Hey GF, here is the link I see for your question about Zaid:
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.lang.vhdl/2011-07/msg00095.html
WOW !
GF asks a question (and no one has Sa’ad’s CV)
The RVA568898 replies !
Has “Guy” got the CV ? Or just heresay ?
Where is the CV anyway ?
Some rec guy must have sold it to “The Bun” by now ?
More Def Ad I guess.
Three killed…and not a peep ! Amazing
Fed up with all this CHURNING ™
BACK TO BASICS ™
I still say everything that goes on in the world revolves around my quartet, and that includes this case too.
Guns – i.e. .milsat knowledge
Oil – i.e .nuke knowledge
DOGG
DOPE: the drugs trade, big pharma etc
OIL: oil, nuke energy, free energy etc
GUNS: all .mil stuff
GOLD: the financial system, enslaving countries (and people) via usury, controlling economies
Anyhoos after near 7k posts I am boiling this down to two possibilities
1. A Mossad hit
2. An extraction
3 covers both 1 and 2 = a psyop = FAIRYTALE ™
And we are definitely witnessing a very Machiavellian charade play out
ERGO
They are doing it for a reason
ERGO
1 or 2
and I am going with 1
KISS = Mossad
Thanks @Ferret @Rva
Catch you later
@all keep up the good work, can’t wait to hear how often the D notice team feed their cobra
Strange how it all went silent when the British and French police joined up in an unprecedented move. That is despite the fact that the French police are notorious for keeping their cards close to their chest but there was more information available when they were totally in charge. After they joined forces that was when there was no more information available.
Go on Anders777777
It is a churn…so your facts are ?
Your knowledge how to investigate after 20 years is ?
“Go on Anders777777
It is a churn…so your facts are ?
Your knowledge how to investigate after 20 years is ?”
Yes, give us the benefit of all that research, Anders. That and your wisdom.
“and I am going with 1
KISS = Mossad”
Why exactly? What was the motive?
Nuid, the Mossad, as I’m sure you will know, have been bumping off Arab scientists for years – hundreds at the last count – and SAH was very knowledgeable and talented. The motive for doing a risky hit on foreign soil must have been very large indeed, the pros outweighing the cons.
As SAH’s brother said, the massacre was a result of SAH’s work.
Further, the DA notice pinpoints the 4 main avenues that journalists, but not us, are forbidden to talk about.
Therein lies the solution.
IMO.
Nuid…
This man has to be removed.
All I see is the constant abuse of a “school yard bully”.
If no one sees this abusive behaviour, then this thread is lost.
Why is there nothing reported in the press?
What you have to realise is this is a French led investigation. French media law differs from British media law and privacy is much more guarded in France. For example:
http://www.mlfoe.org/Article/Detail.aspx?ArticleUid=d92f9668-81c5-4bd9-9697-c4d11b999e9a
Hence the French press weighs up the cost of invasion of privacy much more than the British media.
Thus .. Cost of displaying Kate Middleton’s tits against cost of fine – ratio = worth taking a chance on
Value of publishing information about unknown family and cost of being sued by them – ratio = not worth taking a chance on.
I would assume just as many go to the UK to exploit the UK’s libel laws, the British press could be subject to some pretty draconian laws should they invade the privacy of French citizens if that information is available through globally published web-sites.
The British media relations with at least the Metropolitan Police Force and their willingness to sell information to the press or unscrupulous PI agencies are well documented following Leveson. Doubt this would happen in France. Hence British/World press relies on French media and AFP for information.
I have read French true crime stories about events that occurred 20-30 years ago where bit part players are still referred to as Monsieur.X, Monsieur.Y etc.
I would also add,that this is a muslim family.
My personal experience following the death of my brother-in-law was that death in Islamic culture a death turns the family in on itself and excludes the outside world. There was a great deal of anxiety about how long it would take for the body of my brother-in-law to be released to my sister-in-law’s family – the family wanted to bury the body ASAP according to Islamic tradition. And then a very long period of mourning once we had done the burial.
My wife tells me that the particularities of mourning are open to cultural interpretation rather than anything specific decreed in the qua ran. I spent a more than a week with my east African brothers in a marquee in the back garden of my my sister-in-law’s house – separation of the sexes – before it was considered we had done enough grieving and could return to France. My sister-in-law’s period of mourning was a lot longer.
@nuid
http://www.britishdefenceleaguebdl.com/israels-assassins-and-tehranss-killers.html
@nuid
This report was written by veteran intelligence reporter Richard Sale and originally published on Truthout.
They are dying one by one.
They are Iran’s nuclear scientists, and they are being murdered. Since 2007, five Iranian nuclear scientists have been killed in Iranian territory, many victims dying from magnetic bombs that terrorists had attached to the exterior of their cars.
…………………………..
The latest attack took place on January 11, 2012, when Mostafa Ahamdi Roshan, deputy director in the Natanz uranium enrichment facility, died without warning in a blast in Tehran shortly after two assailants on a motorcycle placed a bomb on his car.
According to news reports, confirmed by Truthout, the United States denied that it was to blame for the killing of the 32-year-old Roshan after Tehran said Washington and Israel were responsible for the attack. “I want to categoricallydeny any United States involvement in any kind of act of violence inside Iran,” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters when asked about Iranian allegations over the attack.
National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor added, “The United States had absolutely nothing to do with this. We strongly condemn all acts of violence, including acts of violence like this.”
Former and serving US intelligence officials said that President Barack Obama reacted angrily to the latest killing because, since his election, he had tried to prevent any acceleration in the covert US-Israeli war directed at Iranian nuclear facilities.
The Israeli program, which has been in place for almost a decade, involves not only targeted killings of key Iranian assets, but also disrupting and sabotaging the Iran nuclear technology by infecting Iran’s enrichment computers with a US-Israel virus that heavily damaged them and by sabotaging Iran’s purchasing network abroad, these sources said.