The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Nuid
Do note that the USA has just de-listed the MEK as a terrorist organisation.
So the CIA is now in lockstep with Mossad. Which means SIS is too, and SDECE.
Hence the cover-up.
Geddit?
@felix
I am pretty sure that suhaila mahmoud al allaf is our suhaila while she lived in london. What gives you a reason to believe she could not be 74 then? Pls explain because i dont understand your conclusion.
Mahmoud must be her fathers name. That is possible when i watch this website:
http://www.familylink.com/SingleIndexListView.aspx?qt=l&ix=mh_tree&rbot=1&zln=Al-saffar&fh=0
Al allaf was her name in the uk (late 1970tees and 1980tees) while she lived in the uk. Al saffar is her girlname.
@dopey
Did they work for themselves or else did they work for the organisation they belong to and in whose objectives they believe?
Thats the question. To me their jobs seem to be the second option.
For the record, I’ve deleted a number of posts from @anders7777, a handful from @James responding to it, and one repost from @Y.
@anders7777 – don’t rise to the bait, abuse will just get deleted. The articles from you looked pretty relevant, but five large cut-and-paste articles are too much for people to wade through – so deleted. Hyperlink those in a post instead, thanks. Worries about them disappearing are overblown, imo, but you can always duplicate them (and supply the duplicate links) at pastie.org if you’re worried about that.
Jon the information is ON TOPIC and is a rare find, thus it needs to go on here for the record.
That link may not be there tomorrow for all we know.
Am I right or wrong?
How many links have recently gone 404 that were published on these threads?
Quite a few, that’s how many.
Nuid asked a facetious question, and I took 30 minutes answering her.
Then you fucking delete everything.
So what’s the fucking point, eh?
Y
Great post..and I would have missed it due to “sliding” of Anders, so thank you for the “re post”.
You mentioned the French media and how they operate.
What are your thoughts on the reporting of this case with regard the French press ?
@ straw44berry’s SAH effeminate remark…
be careful when scraping that barrel, you don’t get taken from behind
clunk click every trip
@felix
I made a mistake in my previous message
Of course al allaf must be the girlname of suhaila, otherwise her daughter would not be called al saffar, would she?
So i suspect that she married a mr. Al saffar after her time in london.
@Jon
I have no problem you deleting my posts in response to Anders
Those posts (my) are indeed only to highlight.
And delete also this one. It had no relevance to the debate whatsoever.
It is just an “I agree and thank you from others”.
James
@ Y
The investigation is not French-led any more. It is a joint investigation in tandem between the French and the British due to an unprecedented innovation.
Kathy
It was. And that is key.
Maybe the Brit’s lked that.
But @Y has something to say ? Non ?
@ James
Well, despite the French having greater privacy laws there was MORE information being released when they were in charge than since they joined forces with the British. Since that happened there has been zilch.
churning over SAH’s wife’s age or where she was born or where her mother was born… is there a eureka moment on the horizon? anders is the brightest button on here yet he gets censored. james now is blatant about censoring him. a thread D notice . a topic you churn about over and over… enjoy your cheese ! maybe alex from blur would like it and he can share your cheese out with his chipping norton friends cameron, brooke & clarkson
for the casual lurker : it wer MOSSAD that dun it ! C A S E C L O S E D
but … feel free to mass debate it here forever & ever with these characters you see above….. but trust NO_ONE
@James
Thanks!
I’ve enjoyed your posts and thinking. I think that Dubai may be an angle. For a while I had a thought about double-crossing smugglers but not sure – everything becomes too complicated.
The French press has nothing new to say .
I go for the stumbled upon something theory more than anything. The only thing that says that ma not be the case, in my point of view, is the statement from one of the Claygate witnesses that SAH had been wearing a flak-jacket.
If not that a bad deal SAH had made in DBX which he promised to repay when is father died.
I hope “Y” does come back to this forum.
His background can help and his location.
It is far better thab I have seen on here…and ashamed it did get slide by a (another) arguement with another person.
Y of “@Y” could be helpful in reporting French media…along with @Suhayl they could be fantastic.
maybe it was a tribute ‘band’ of brethren MO$$AD ™
cos it was ‘quite good but the encore was a bit sloppy’ ..Hey Jude….
@Y
I am glad you like my view point, it may be wrong.
Your view could be important here.
I would really like you to stay, there are very good posters, Dopey, Bluebird, Peter, Nuid, Suhayl to name but afew….your input would be a help.
Kathy
3 Oct, 2012 – 1:01 am
@ Y
The investigation is not French-led any more. It is a joint investigation in tandem between the French and the British due to an unprecedented innovation.
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Note Anders style response…
So does that mean the French give up all the laws that apply to media within their country … give me examples.
@Kathy
@James
Well, despite the French having greater privacy laws there was MORE information being released when they were in charge than since they joined forces with the British. Since that happened there has been zilch.
BUT clearly you have not read my posts between Dopey and Strawberry have you ?
You must really do that BEFORE shouting “the odds”.
@ James
I have been following this story on this web site since the beginning – I like the lateral thinking many employ. I even enjoyed Anders for a while.
I decided to interact today because I was so tired of people posting information that was so blatantly untrue and encouraging others to go on a wild goose chase. I’m referring to @Ferret here, of course
If @Straw44berry wants to use her undoubted research skills to look at something useful, maybe she should tell us who posted the link to the Indymedia story about the DA-Notice from Manchester journalist – I hope it wasn’t @Anders7777.
I would also say to @Straw44berry, my French sources trump the ” Anders says…” sources.
FYI . The BBC clip about 30 seconds of gunfire was shown to be unreliable very early on in the Al Hilli conundrum thread.
I would also say to @Straw44berry, my French sources trump the ” Anders says…” sources.
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Go for it Clouseau, we’re all waiting! 🙂
And no it was CRYPTONYM ( a long time poster here) that posted all the DA notice stuff – I followed up on it as I found the same wording on other sites too, before the posts were deleted.
Of course the DA notice fingers MOSSAD for the hit, thus all the oi vet already sayanim infesting this place with rubbish dead ends and derailments.
[Mod/Jon: text written in a column just wastes space, deleted]
Ok “Y”.
The trump. Anders is mad. But from your side, who said “she’s from Iran” first ? and where did they get it from ?
This really gets me…as her mother was a “Swede” passport holder..previously “where ever”….and her daughter is a……?
Well the French say British ? Then Iraqi ? Then Iran ?
Personally I would not pass “borders” with an Iranian passport.
But what passport was she ?
Just deleted what I carry…but you tell me who she was, the media has not !
@Anders7777
No need to wait. If you actually made the effort to read the thread you would have seen I posted my sources earlier.
For the benefit of your ego, they didn’t include any @Anders7777 references.
Scroll back.
y
you ARE agitated.. look at your body language.. your hands are shaking….
here is an easy question for you? DID MOSSAD DO THE MURDER ?
@Anders7777
Forgive me. I should have realised CRYPTONYM is a reliable source of information.
I’ll observe everything he says from now on.
Glad to be corrected.
Y
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Just so we don’t close our minds completely too early, have a look at this horrible murder in Grenoble.
It’ll be interesting to see how this one plays out in French media, political and social circles.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/02/france-killings-two-students-hollande
@ Y 1.40am
If @Straw44berry wants to use her undoubted research skills to look at something useful, maybe she should tell us who posted the link to the Indymedia story about the DA-Notice from Manchester journalist – I hope it wasn’t @Anders7777.
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On the first (of 3) Craig Murray threads titled -‘Shootings in France’ Cryptonym first posted the D-Notice from Indymedia on 7/9/12 @ 2.01 am
On David Icke it was posted @ 8.21 am on 6/9/12 but need to add 8 hours. Still before C.Murray and posted by…………..
Edelweiss Pirate who has 12,233 posts -1 helluva lot of posts for it to be another Anders7777 account
Jon,
If it were possible on this forum for us to ‘ignore a poster’ then James could ignore all of Anders7777 and Katie’s posts at a stroke and the rest of us wouldnt have to suffer the constant sniping back and forth. You would be saved having to delete so many posts and we could all chose to read each and every poster but only if we wish to.
On the first (of 3) Craig Murray threads titled -’Shootings in France’ Cryptonym first posted the D-Notice from Indymedia on 7/9/12 @ 2.01 am
On David Icke it was posted @ 8.21 am on 6/9/12 but need to add 8 hours. Still before C.Murray and posted by…………..
Edelweiss Pirate who has 12,233 posts -1 helluva lot of posts for it to be another Anders7777 account
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Yup cryptonym
The Pirate isn’t me btw, he’s been around for ages at Icke.