The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@peter
However, *if* this was a rush job for whatever reason, it would have been a doddle for Mossad to find out where in France SAH was holidaying, and it would only have cost them a telephone call to send some local talent after him.
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This is patently ridiculous. Mossad is NOT going to risk an international incident by hiring some “local talent” to take out four individuals. Are you seriously suggesting Mossad are as useless as that? Untested untried gangsters who are probably riddled with police informants? How long do you think the hit would remain a secret?
Preposterous.
@ Peter 3 Oct, 2012 – 2:37 pm – Thanks for those links
Reported on Sept 5th Sa compagne, ne le voyant pas revenir avait donner l’alerte mercredi vers 17h.
Since the authorities (the emergency services) were informed just before 4pm it seems really early for her to raise the alarm at about 5pm. I think the bringing of the photograph to the police happened subsequently.
re Katie Molliers wife could have always been aware of possible danger due to her husbands job.
I don’t think Claire Schutz would have been concerned about Mollier’s day job from where he had been on paternal leave (reportedly for three years)… but if he was doing some legal or illegal moonlighting she may well have had concerns. And if he had told her to go to the police then perhaps it wasn’t illegal?
I tried to trawl back, on this thread and the Conundrum one, and the damned laptop hung on me.
So thanks to Peter, who posted this (in French) above:
“A few hours earlier, before the newscast, they had this discussion before the prescient account of the killing, and the announcement of the death of a cyclist: ‘I hope it was not Dad.'”
Admittedly, that’s a bit confusing (and it’s equally confusing in French). But why would children say such a thing if there had been no mention of the killing of a cyclist?
@peter
I’m not saying that he is behind these murders, but *without a shadow of doubt*, he is the chief suspect.
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What a laugh.
RAFman ™ literally had blood on his hands, and has been telling a pack of lies.
So peter – you do not think BM should be the chief suspect, eh?
It can’t be a coincidence that Mollier worked for a company producing something that is a key part of Iran’s nuclear programme?
Why not? Such is the nature of coincidence. However, what makes the likelihood of such a coincidence even smaller is that Mollier was “chief of production” at CEZUS (and I have double-checked that translation; it doesn’t merely mean some sort of foreman, it really means chief of production).
I am winging it here, but I should imagine that with a highly-controlled substance such as zirconium, particularly hafnium-free zirconium, every speck of material has to be accounted for at all times. There is no way, I hope, that some production-line worker could just grab a few kilos and wander off with them without anybody noticing. However, any inventory-management system has to be managed by somebody, and I expect that this would be one of the duties of the head of production. In other words, he would be perfectly, perhaps uniquely well placed to make quantities of that material disappear without a trace.
@ nuid 3 Oct, 2012 – 3:28 pm
I believe the reports refer to two separate situations – (i) his companion/ partner (Claire Schutz) who is the mother of his child born in June, and (ii) his former wife (un-named) who is the mother of his two older children.
@Call me Dave
Does anyone expect to be contract killed just because they work in the nuclear industry (obviously if you do it in Iran you need to look out)?
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Nope – if you are Iranian (or Iraqi, working for Iran) and working on Nukes ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD – you become an Israeli TARGET.
http://truth-out.org/component/k2/item/7033
When I asked Paul Pillar, a 28-year CIA veteran, whether Israel was killing secondary or tertiary scientists instead of its major ones, he replied, “Israel kills any Iranians it can.”
@Dopey 3:20pm
I’ve emailed you.
“I don’t want to get into semantics ref semitics etc etc blah blah blah ………..”
FFS, Anders, I’ve just read your “reply” to me. Don’t snow me with (often copy and paste) stuff I know all about already, and then announce
“Well this is why you are NO S. Holmes Nuid!”.
It’s a pain in the arse.
“Then CONNECT THE FRIGGING DOTS MY DEAR ™ ! 🙂
You are presented with all the evidence, all the clues, and you cannot make the CONNECTIONS ™ !”
Isn’t that precisely what James and I were asking you to do? Given your “vast” research and experience??
Apparently, according to your blather, you could put an end to this thread today, by posting all that you know about this case. But you don’t.
I wonder why!!!
“Mollier was “chief of production” at CEZUS (and I have double-checked that translation; it doesn’t merely mean some sort of foreman, it really means chief of production).”
Now we know why they shot him.
Now we know why it’s been hushed up, bit embarassing for all.
Are there any maths/statistics wizards here? I was watching Ripple Effect 2 last night, about the cover-up of the London 7/7 perpetrators:
http://youtu.be/kwyzpzEgUWE
Comment:
This is absolutely mind boggling. The chances for these two events taking place at the same time, let alone in the same locations are astronomical (numbers so big we had to look up how to say them). And these estimates are within a very conservative five year mean. In other words, most statistical analysis that is designed to create the impression of a similarly incredible improbability is usually framed within a greater amount of time: 50 years since England began experiencing bombings, 130 years since the Tube first opened, etc. We don’t need to frame these results in that way because the chance is so low that these events would ever occur simultaneously without some sort of intervention that one might go so far as to call it impossible.
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It would be interesting to use the same methodology to come up with the odds on the Chavaline massacre – bearing in mind the remote location, timing, job connections, sat connections, nuke connections, cycling connections, DA notice clues etc etc etc.
I think we’d arrive at a similar figure to the one below, less a few 000s…
Probability of 7/7 Drill and Attack Coinciding
LU Stations: 274
RELATED:
Explosions In London
Probability of one attack by hour (5yr mean): One chance in 9,474,920
Open Hours per Day: 19
Probability of 3 station terror hit (5yr mean):
One chance in 850,602,500,906,920,000,000
Open Days a Year: 364
Mean Sample frequent (yrs) 5 Probability of one attack by hour (10yr mean):
One chance in 18,949,840
Mean Sample frequent (yrs) 10 Probability of 3 station terror hit (10yr mean):
One chance in 6,804,820,007,255,360,000,000
Same Time 3
LU Stations: 274
Probability of drill on 1 stations per hour:
One chance in 817,342
Open Hours per Day: 19
Probability of drill on 3 stations per hour:
One chance in 546,023,643,432,766,000
Open Days a Year: 157
Same Time 3
PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
One chance in
3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Estimate of Grains of sand in the whole world:
7,500,000,000,000,000,000
@peter
Good point about the official story of Clare Schutz. It can’t be true. Just like the accountant saying that French journos came calling in Claygate early on the 6th. Pretty well everything in the narrative is probably misleading too. All we reliably know is:
A BMW car had its windows smashed up a mountain, and the Al-Hillis are not at home in Oaken Lane. (wonder where their post is being redirected to? Or that of their companies at 33 Foley Road??? The postman would know…) Have I forgotten anything?
Anders – you’re on the money with Op Ore. 100 years. Not forgetting the Kelly papers, 70 yrs. Nothing to see….
Just about everybody running our “democracy” is infected. If the Green Party, for example (as happened in Germany) got into government, it would already be stuffed full of Oxbridge educated “actors” who had been tapped up by their tutors and who would probably end up agreeing to an extension of Trident. Makes me want to park the tiger.
“where he had been on paternal leave (reportedly for three years)”
Or had he been suspended from work for selling things to people he should not have sold things to?
Three years off seems like a long time…
@Anders
Careful, you’ll get the J7 fact churners coming to this thread.
Yes Dave & why did the papers say…before they were gagged, that Mollier may have led a double life ???
Anders – you’re on the money with Op Ore. 100 years. Not forgetting the Kelly papers, 70 yrs. Nothing to see….
Just about everybody running our “democracy” is infected. If the Green Party, for example (as happened in Germany) got into government, it would already be stuffed full of Oxbridge educated “actors” who had been tapped up by their tutors and who would probably end up agreeing to an extension of Trident. Makes me want to park the tiger.
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It is intensely depressing felix, but we are doing a great job, and we must soldier on. Slowly but surely more people are figuring things out, and two black swans have been known to fly together. We live in interesting times, and we are entering the EYE of the tiger, IMO. I am fully expecting WW3 in the foreseeable future, TPTB have reached the end of the road with their banking and growth scams, and I think they are planning on a system reset.
Mollier’s leave period bears examination because, possibly, the longer he had been away from work the less likely he might have had something to trade? However, if he had been asked to act as a stalking horse to flush out others then he may have been ‘seconded’ for that work?
“Yes Dave & why did the papers say…before they were gagged, that Mollier may have led a double life ???”
Dunno, when did he marry the new woman?
Perhaps he needed to make a bit on the side to pay for his new house and missus?
But to discover he was chief of production tells us exactly where he fits in to all this.
Katie,
I did go there, bookmarked it but I have to admit you will have to point out what grabbed you.
An Al-Hilli in Sweden, any family relation?
The Nanobiotechnology interest was my main pause. Checked out Zaid Al-Hilli’s facebook page again. If it’s the right Zaid Al-Hilli we have just the 1 photo released in the press.
http://www.facebook.com/zaid.alhilli.5
@Anders
Careful, you’ll get the J7 fact churners coming to this thread.
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Water off a duck’s back, I’m hoping someone will step up to the plate and submit a probability study on this massacre.
I am betting at least 16 figures! 🙂
“I believe the reports refer to two separate situations – (i) his companion/ partner (Claire Schutz) who is the mother of his child born in June, and (ii) his former wife (un-named) who is the mother of his two older children.”
Ah, ok. Thanks.
“Mollier’s leave period bears examination because, possibly, the longer he had been away from work the less likely he might have had something to trade? However, if he had been asked to act as a stalking horse to flush out others then he may have been ‘seconded’ for that work?”
But unless all this happened some time ago, and it’s only now that Al-hilli and Mollier’s actions have been descovered, Al-hilli realises that they’re on to him, trys to flee, and tries to warn Mollier on the way, but if they were watching Mollier, he would have led them to Al-hilli, which is why they all got shot at the same time.
Good point about the official story of Clare Schutz. It can’t be true.
I beg to differ. It only becomes implausible if you *assume* that she associated his not returning home on time with the murders – but it doesn’t say that anywhere.
If SM and his girlfriend had agreed a rough timeframe when he would be home, and if he missed that timeframe, she would most likely have assumed that he had had an accident with his mountainbike. Given that the area has patchy mobile phone coverage, she might have feared that he was lying around injured in the woods somewhere, unable to call for help on his mobile.
“of his child born in June”
If the child was born in June, how has he been off for 3 years?
Or is he part way into the 3 years off??
@ Dave
If they were trying to flee, why spend a week at a caravan site first? In fact, why even stay at a caravan site at all if he was wanting to flee undetected? Surely he could have found less public places to park a caravan overnight.
If I was wanting to flee, I wouldn’t take a caravan at all. If anything I’d take a tent.
@Peter
@Dave Broker 3.47 pm
Good spotted, Dave. If he really was “chief of production”, who are the first of you to find out his salary? [By the way I don’t think this fits with all the bow-shooting stuff and the cap stuff and the socialist stuff]
The bow/cap/socialist stuff fits with paternity leave, the chief of production stuff fits with three years of mutual understanding payed absence/sabbatical or whatever they choose to call it.
@Peter 3 Oct, 2012 – 4:00 pm
Think about the timeframe – Do we know when SM left home? He says he should be at home at a certain time? Does he tell her if he’s not back to call the police or emergency services? For instance, is there a local mountain rescue team?
According to WBM’s testimony (deeply suspect in my view) Mollier had passed him minutes before WBM found everyone dead on the scene and Zainab semi-conscious. This is then reported to the police at 3.58 on PD’s phone who WBM has just encountered.
So, allowing for SM’s return journey time from Combe dIré, at what point did he become overdue or late? What would Claire Schutz have considered a reasonable delay before calling the authorities?
If we push the shooting time back and allow reasonable return time for SM when does he become late home?
Dave Broker wrote:
Good spotted, Dave. If he really was “chief of production”, who are the first of you to find out his salary? [By the way I don’t think this fits with all the bow-shooting stuff and the cap stuff and the socialist stuff]
The bow/cap/socialist stuff fits with paternity leave, the chief of production stuff fits with three years of mutual understanding payed absence/sabbatical or whatever they choose to call it.
If I was wanting to flee, I wouldn’t take a caravan at all. If anything I’d take a tent.
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I’d take a Lear Jet!
@ CD 3 Oct, 2012 – 4:16 pm
Yes, you are right, the timing is totally off.