The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ anders
I’d take a Lear Jet!
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That too. I wouldn’t be dithering along pulling a caravan behind me that’s for sure.
Straw, if that Nuclear scientist is a relative…. there is a distinct likeness , he studied in Bagdad & Sweden, he surely knew Igbals Swedish family & her…an Iranian.
This brings the nuclear information closer to home.
I see he,Saffaa Al Hilli is teaching Nanotechnology but he will have many contacts , so I think he should be further explored…….
Was he passing info to AH , were they collaborating ?
To find Saad at any time in his travels on holiday may be tricky and unable to be planned for. Unless a tracking device is used. Far easier to track using a motorbike than a car. Wrong way, turns around much easier.
Postie says he is always working on BMWs doesnt mean his own car but could include it.
I believe a neighbour from home said he is always pumping up his rear offside tyre. He has money and is about to do a long trip to France towing the caravan. I dont believe he would undertake that with an apparent slow puncture.
In films tracking devices are attached to the underside of cars I presume that’s about right, so perhaps he is checking for them on a regular basis. With a foot pump pumping up the tyres here and there to make it look as though that is what he is doing.
Speculation yes. Joining the dots…….yes.
http://www.infobebes.com/Bebe/Droits/Conges-particuliers/Conge-parental/Le-conge-parental-en-pratique
This thing about three years’ paternity leave doesn’t sound right. The regular maximum duration is one year, longer if one chooses to work part-time instead of going off work completely. (You can only take it while your child is three years or younger; perhaps that is where that figure of three years comes from.) Frankly, I don’t see the chief of production of *anything* taking three years’ paternity leave.
I wouldn’t be dithering along pulling a caravan behind me that’s for sure.
I would. No paper trail left behind by checking into hotels, yet all the mod cons that a tent doesn’t offer.
@ strawberry
To find Saad at any time in his travels on holiday may be tricky and unable to be planned for. Unless a tracking device is used
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Depends who was tracking him though doesn’t it. If it was a state I doubt they’d have any trouble following the trail.
@ peter
I can’t be bothered to look again (sure it was covered in the previous thread) but I read that in France they CAN have up to 3 years leave..in one go, or spread over xx years.
@ peter
I would. No paper trail left behind by checking into hotels, yet all the mod cons that a tent doesn’t offer.
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He had to produce his passport at the caravan site. It was reported that it was how they identified him because the site had his passport details.
@ Dopey
You are right. The regular duration of paternity leave is one year, but it can be extended twice. Still, it would be an odd thing to do for somebody in a fairly responsible job.
@ anders
I’d take a Lear Jet!
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That too. I wouldn’t be dithering along pulling a caravan behind me that’s for sure.
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Me neither. Which suggest a last final rendezvous was needed with Sylvain, then off to Switzerland. Dump the car there and fly to points east.
Has anybody stayed at a French caravan site?
Is it standard procedure that you have to produce a passport? I was intrigued by the lengths the police had to go thru to find where they were staying.
“I was intrigued by the lengths the police had to go thru to find where they were staying.”
Shades of The Jackal
@ strawberry
Yes, apparently some do
http://www.caravantalk.co.uk/community/topic/46162-handing-over-a-passport-at-a-campsite/
If the Ugine plant is a public company, then supposedly it is possible to work out what he earned. Given how top steered France is (from Paris) they might even have the tarifs scheemed out,- publicly available. Here a Frenchman could help, if he watches this.
“I was intrigued by the lengths the police had to go thru to find where they were staying.”
Shades of The Jackal
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At last we can agree on something! One of my favourite thrillers. And yes, all hotels require a passport, and the bigger camp sites. If SAH was resourceful, he’d have spares anyway, very easy to do these days.
@dopey
…and the campsite send off immediately all passport details to the Government/security services for all guests, so that they can be matched up with any vehicle registration details. Highly unlikely. They knew who they were looking for (a bit like where they’d find Dr Kelly…)
@peter
my wife is back late from work. I rush down the local police station with a photo. My immediate assumption is that she has been run over. No, on second thoughts I give them her passport number in case she has been staying in a campsite.
It is all nonsense.
By the way, the quoted neighbour of the Al-Hilli family is most likely to be Fiona Davies not Davis
http://parentknowhow.surreycc.gov.uk/kb5/surrey/fsd/view.page?record=71kmfVVpmWQ
my wife is back late from work. I rush down the local police station with a photo. My immediate assumption is that she has been run over. No, on second thoughts I give them her passport number in case she has been staying in a campsite.
It is all nonsense.
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Yes so option 1 or 2.
A real hit.
An extraction.
FAIRYTALE ™ psyop covers both.
If 2, it has unravelled spectacularly.
So if 2, who are SIS trying to fool?
‘Cos IMO it’s not flying what.so.ever.
“To find Saad at any time in his travels on holiday may be tricky”
They’d not need to, knowing where Mollier lived they’d just let him lead them to Al-hilli.
Al-hilli waits for an hour for Mollier, he lands, there’s just time for daughter no 2 to get out of the car and then everyone gets shot.
Suggesting they were keeping tabs on Mollier.
Iranians I thought?
Arabs, of which Iranians are a part – I don’t want to get into semantics ref semitics etc etc.
Iranians are Persians, Anders, they are NOT Arabs. (Google is your friend.)
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“hundreds at the last count”
Do you have any source at all for that? I would have thought it wasn’t anything like that high a number.
Many of the murders are disguised as RTAs, boating accidents, falls, suicides etc. Google is your friend – I’ve read of hundreds.
So your source is your own head. And you include accidents, some/many of which may indeed have been accidents. (For god’s sake don’t go into a spate on how killings have been made to look like accidents – I KNOW!)
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“– and SAH was very knowledgeable and talented.”
Knowledgeable and talented doesn’t mean he was either Iranian or working for the Iranians.
He was Iraq and working for MI6, according to your friend Mark Golding.
Mark is not a ‘friend’ of mine, per se. I only know what he posts here. And what I quoted from him. (And as it happens, Mark didn’t give a source.) But it is worth thinking outside the Mossad box, I think.
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From this article I posted for you:
http://www.britishdefenceleaguebdl.com/israels-assassins-and-tehranss-killers.html
I’m not interested in what the British Defence League has to say, sorry. And I know plenty about how Israel operates. Nobody could have been reading and posting on this site for seven years and NOT know.
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So you don’t have a specific motive in mind? Or a theory about what SAH was doing in Chevaline?
As I said, look to his brother’s words.
“As SAH’s brother said, the massacre was a result of SAH’s work.”
That doesn’t tell us much, Anders.
Well this is why you are NO S. Holmes Nuid! 🙂
It still tells us zilch, Anders. SAH’s work has been discussed and discussed here, to the best of people’s ability and knowledge. And you’re quoting “As SAH’s brother said, the massacre was a result of SAH’s work”. That’s sheer sidestepping and passing the buck. Which suggests to me you haven’t a clue. Just vague ideas like everyone else.
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I came across a reference to SAH being involved in some new satellite technology for mapping/tracking shipping? I know zero about satellite technology, but it occurred to me to ask, could such a thing track/map submarines? Since the Israelis have just acquired the last of about five or six subs from the Germans, subs which they use or intend to use to carry nuclear weapons, I would assume that such tracking capability would annoy them greatly.
The Israelis are psychotic. All they do is buy time, keep the plates spinning. They are blackmailing the west with their SAMSON pronography ………
I was referring to satellite tracking of shipping (including possibly submarines.) I see you have no comment.
I know that special submarines and divers have to go down quite a way to locate wrecks, and even black boxes from aircraft etc, but maybe subs (carrying nuclear missiles) would give off something which could be tracked by satellite? Does anyone have any idea?
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We have PLENTY of evidence so please don’t insult our intelligence. Ferret has done an OUTSTANDING job, so I suggest you re-read his DA notice arguments, which are WATER TIGHT ™ !
There is not – as originally thought – any ‘D notice’ out on this particular story, is there Ferret??
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I don’t see how it leads to any more cooperation between the CIA and Mossad than there was already. If there was. I would imagine Mossad largely play their cards very close to their chests.
You know this is bollocks, so why write it? If the USA is now supporting MEK, it means only one thing – it is HAPPY to have MEK continue murdering scientists on behalf of Israel!
That does not mean the CIA are cooperating with Mossad. And as I said, I doubt if Mossad discuss their plans with the CIA. Or anyone else for that matter.
Your’re waffling.
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“anders is the brightest button on here” says Big Daddy.
All I can say is, “you’re easily impressed”.
I am NOT Big Daddy – he’s big enough to look after himself, and he wiped the floor with bully boy James by all accounts.
I didn’t say you were Big Daddy. I was telling Big Daddy that he’s easily impressed.
I won’t be ‘engaging’ with you again. You’d talk the hind legs off a donkey and *still* say nothing.
Try following a bike in a car?
I dont think that would ever work.
“Try following a bike in a car?
I dont think that would ever work.”
In which case they knew where the meeting was going to take place?
@Dave Brooker
3 Oct, 2012 – 5:27 pm
I think you’re spot on there, bro!
What’s more, if RAF man is telling anything like the truth, it all kicked off as soon as SM arrived on the scene, and was completed within minutes. I have my doubts about that though.
I have always thought zirconium is the key, and SM and his possible political connections to what could be a CIA front organisation is a significant angle to be explored.
@ CD 3 Oct, 2012 – 4:16 pm
Think about the timeframe – Do we know when SM left home? He says he should be at home at a certain time? Does he tell her if he’s not back to call the police or emergency services? For instance, is there a local mountain rescue team?
According to WBM’s testimony (deeply suspect in my view) Mollier had passed him minutes before WBM found everyone dead on the scene and Zainab semi-conscious. This is then reported to the police at 3.58 on PD’s phone who WBM has just encountered.
So, allowing for SM’s return journey time from Combe dIré, at what point did he become overdue or late? What would Claire Schutz have considered a reasonable delay before calling the authorities?
Let me see if I can square these facts. SM was seen cycling up the road to the parking lot at approximately 15:45. By which time the AHs had been staying in that parking lot for ≥ 45 minutes, for some unfathomable reason. At around 17:00, SM’s common-law wife informs the police that he is missing.
I hate to say it, but IMHO the simplest, sparsest explanation for all those facts is that SM and the AHs really had planned to meet up in that parking lot, but at 15:00 hours. For some reason, though, SM was delayed by almost an hour. That’s why the AH family stayed in that parking lot for such a long time, waiting for him, and that’s why SM’s partner was already concerned about him at 17:00. Cycling the approximately 20 kilometres back home to Ugine (almost all downhill) should not have taken SM more than half an hour at most. SM would have expected to be home by 15:00 (the time of he planned meet) + a few minutes for the meet + half an hour, probably less, for the downhill cruise back home = 15:30 hours.
“What’s more, if RAF man is telling anything like the truth, it all kicked off as soon as SM arrived on the scene, and was completed within minutes. I have my doubts about that though.”
It can’t have taken long, no reason to string it out, I still doubt RAF man just happened to be there, and how did they escape?
BMW must have been boxed in by another car, given it reversed back to escape, but where did the other car come from or go?
@nuid
I’m sorry Nuid but you have really shown how ignorant you are about the way the world works. This case is a microcosm of that reality. Yourne not cut out for this. I’d stick to making doilies if I were you – easy to connect those up and get the finished article, lop sided and full of holes as it would undoubtedly be.
To still be arguing the toss over the very real DA notice puts you firmly in the disinformation/crap-enriching bracket.
Astrium (owner of SSTL) Satellite launch completes minimum number for the Galileo program
http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/news/2012/10/twin-galileo-satellites-are-fueled-ready-launch
The first paragraph says it all:
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)]
Europe will be ready to go to war without relying on Russian, US or Chinese systems
@nuid @strawberry
Google and the British government are working together to sweep websites into Orwell’s memory hole. It is a joint effort that will soon go worldwide as the global elite continue to build and refine their censorship apparatus.
Google told The Telegraph today that national security is “the single biggest category” among the reasons cited for scrubbing pages from Google search results. Google’s Daphne Keller flew to the UK to testify before the the Leveson Inquiry and said her company had cooperated with the British government in 82 per cent of cases. PM David Cameron established the inquiry in the wake of the News International telephone hacking scandal last year.
The collaboration between Google and the British government is reminiscent of practices established under the so-called D Notice system, a modernized version of the Official Secrets Act used to censor political speech. Newspaper and periodical editors now routinely check with the government’s D Notice Committee before publishing information, a process that operates as de facto self-censorship.
The D Notice system was used in the Dr. Kelly case. Kelly was suicided after he accused the British government of planting in a dossier a questionable claim that WMDs could be released from Iraq within 45 minutes.
Earlier in the week, a former Soros Open Society minion and Stanford University scholar called on Google to act as a thought crime enforcer by providing warnings about websites that contain “conspiracy theories” such as the belief, held by a majority of Americans, that global warming is not primarily man-made.
As Paul Joseph Watson noted on Tuesday, the call by Evgeny Morozov to render the internet politically correct according to the dictates of the global elite and their bureaucrats is similar to an argument made by Obama’s science czar, Cass Sunstein, to force websites to carry warnings if they post content deemed inappropriate by the government.
In keeping with its mission to surveil and track and trace its users – allegedly for commercial purposes – Google has announced that it will follow the activities of users across nearly all of its ubiquitous sites, including YouTube, Gmail and its leading search engine, according to the Washington Post. Consumers won’t be able to opt out of the changes, which take effect March 1.
A D V E R T I S E M E N T
Popular social networking site Facebook also tracks and traces users and keeps the data. In September, hacker and writer Nik Cubrilovic posted information on his blog revealing that Facebook keeps track of every website users visit, even when they are logged out of the site.
The latest Google revelations arrive as the Department of Homeland Security presents a white paper on its “evolving mission” to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
“Crafted by the Aspen Institute Homeland Security Group, co-chaired by former DHS chief Michael Chertoff and composed of a who’s who of national security figures, the report outlines a total mission creep, as the title ‘Homeland Security and Intelligence: Next Steps in Evolving the Mission‘ implies,” writes Aaron Dykes for Infowars.com.
The paper proposes a transition from focusing on traditional terrorism to intelligence gathering and surveillance of supposed domestic threats. “Achieving this new aim includes co-opting local law enforcement and other regional agencies,” Dykes notes.
Obama’s DHS wants to build “a new analytic foundation that emphasizes data” and related systems that will integrate all aspects of law enforcement, including those on the local level. The DHS proposal, in other words, continues and accelerates the federalization of state and local law enforcement, a process that picked up steam during the Clinton administration in the 1990s.
The modern Stasi surveillance state and a government mandated and corporately enforced Ministry of Truth naturally go hand-in-hand as the globalists move to complete their totalitarian overlay designed to control humanity.
Increasingly, it can be argued that the internet and an array of ubiquitous technological devices were specifically designed and manufactured to facilitate the control mandates of the surveillance state.
Google’s high-tech D-notice technology – delisting and outright censoring websites deemed offensive by our rulers – is a less obtrusive version of the Great Firewall of China, a sprawling network of filters designed to craft information to the overriding prerogatives of an authoritarian and totalitarian state.
@nuid
Suggest read this thread.
http://order-order.com/2010/11/26/that-wikileaks-d-notice/
Actually Peter I maybe able to help there.
Living in France has taught me that any appointment with a French person means the agreed time is only a rough guide. They don’t seem to have any idea about punctuality.
CEZUS Ugine – its role in process (largely smelting).
{http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-917/cezus-ugine-activities-melting-and-forging.html}
I would say every crumb is accounted for and the processes might not be especially developed for these elements – they’d probably have wider and less security sensitive applications that would be easily accessible? So, why would SM meet SAH, if not on a pretext?