The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Look at that pic – the white shed. How have we missed that before?”
Is that not just a map?
Lol so it is – a notice board (blush)
Dopey…
I think it’s a tourist info / lou thing.
Plenty of room in there I guess.
Philip Murphy was the one who let them spy on the Al Hillis from his driveway.
Ah ! Yes ! Bugger !
Still liking “companies” though.
Where ?
France, UAE, Sweden, “off shore” ?
Paul Craig Roberts on the topic of Israel, water, and Southern Lebanon (among other things):
“How The Government’s Lies Become Truth”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32599.htm
“Still liking “companies” though.
Where ?”
Offshore for tax and privacy.
Dave…
Off shore also….because of a “non” UK company paying !
And you don’t declare.
But where ? For what ? Who was paying in ?
@Ferret
With respect to your post at 3 Oct, 2012 – 10:05 am …
Now you understand a little more about how the DA_Notice system works let’s revisit the original post that sparked my ire and see how it stands up.
@Ferret
2 Oct, 2012 – 12:48 pm
BACK TO BASICS
We know that there was an unattributed report of a “D Notice” about four specific aspects of the murders.
NEARLY TRUE: The term D-Notice has been officially redundant since 1993. The leak is attributed to an anonymous “Manchester journalist.”
For any new readers, a “D Notice” (aka “DA Notice”) is a gag order direct from the UK Ministry of Defence which prohibits newspapers, television, and radio from mentioning the specific items mentioned in the notice.
UNTRUE: The standing DA-Notices are overseen by The Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee (DPBAC) which is not part of the MOD. DA-Notices are there for guidance and do not prohibit the British press from doing anything. If the press felt the story was worth running and it didn’t cause significant damage to national security, they would run it.
D Notices are only issued when national security would be compromised if the prohibited material were published.
UNTRUE: The DA-Notice secretary may draw editors’ attention to the existing standing DA-Notices if it is felt likely prohibited material will be published. From Andrew Vallance’s email to editors you posted earlier you can see this is the case. He does not go into detail about what they can and can’t print, merely reminds them of the existence of the standing DA-Notices and states that he is available to give guidance should it be required.
So what would have had to happen for your “D-Notice” to be true?
Manchester journalist or his/her editor would have to contact DA-Notice secretary with the content of a story they were planning on publishing about Al Hilli – journalist and/or editor know it touches on matters covered by the standing DA-Notices. The story would have had to have contained all the elements you mentioned in your list of 4 items which could not be talked about. The DA-notice secretary would have had to have responded by saying, sorry but you can’t include these items in your story, here’s my rationale. All of this would have to have happened between the early hours of Thursday 6 September when Al Hilli’s name was released to the press and mid-afternoon on Thursday which is when the “D-Notice” was leaked (see @straw44berry 3 Oct, 2012 – 6:29 am) by now disgruntled Manchester journalist.
Is this what you think happened? Possible, I guess, but likely???
As I have said before if the government really wanted to censor the press on this matter they would take out a super injunction. Even super injunctions are broken by the press and they are not binding to the Scottish press or foreign publictions.
Really, I have no interest at all in whether or not you try and discover Al Hilli’s connections (real or imagined) to the nuclear industry. I was more interested in pointing out that the “D-notice” on which you base your obsession is a fake like the rest of the now redacted information linking Al Hilli to Iran that was posted to Indymedia web site on 6/9/2012: it was removed because it failed to meet editorial standards, i.e. it failed to have any basis in fact.
Nuid.
Thanks.
@Nuid: I recall pundits saying that the conflict in Libya was about its water, as much as its oil.
“redacted information linking Al Hilli to Iran that was posted to Indymedia web site on 6/9/2012: it was removed because it failed to meet editorial standards, i.e. it failed to have any basis in fact”.
Y
How did it fail ? No one knows what happened.
A Sh’ia ? A visit to Tehran ? Current events re the “yearly” exercise ?
I agree…on “link”, but !
“But where ? For what ? Who was paying in ?”
“A Tangled Web of Zirconium
According to the New York Times, the US is ‘alarmed’ about Dubai.
So Dubai is doing what it has always done well, acting as a middle-person in complex multi-national trade arrangements.
The US, having just discovered this, is now ‘alarmed.'”
“But trade experts and Iranian traders in Dubai said there was little evidence that the new export control law was being broadly enforced.
“It has virtually had no effect, to be honest,” said Nasser Hashempour, deputy president of the Iranian Business Council in Dubai. “If someone wants to move something — get it to Iran — it is easy to be done.””
“As many as 400,000 Iranians live in the emirates, many of them traders who track down goods in the sprawling consumer bazaar of Dubai and then re-export them to Iran, at times ignoring United Nations trade sanctions related to Iran’s nuclear program and a broader United States embargo.”
““This was a huge sieve,” said Lisa A. Prager, a former top Commerce export control official. “Almost nothing that said it was going to U.A.E. was staying in U.A.E.””
It now appears as though a worldwide superinjunction is in place. Day after day. Not one story anywhere.
Even how the campsite is 4 weeks on. Whether the bricklayers are now caught up.
Dave
I have lived in Dubaishire. It is “complex” indeed.
The American fleet there one day…the fast Iranian smuggler boats another (Jebel Ali Port is a hot bed !).
…and the American consulate trading visas !
What you see is “big time fun town”. But it is owned.
Well partly ! (Don’t want to get into Abu Dhabi here !).
If you think of the film “Casablanca”…then that’s Dubaishire !
“It now appears as though a worldwide superinjunction is in place”
But Iran wouldn’t agree with that. And there’s nada there either.
Is that “we did it” or “we had nothing to do with it” !
Who knows ! Sa’ad we only can confirm “he was there in Nov 2010” and
he was “around in 1997” …and that’s it.
@ strawberry
3 Oct, 2012 – 10:08 pm
Even google doesn’t throw up much in respect to recent discussions. I don’t mean mainstream news paper sites, I mean other sites ie this one – usually forums sites pop up in search results when a topic is red hot…but not in this instance.
Google search results for this case I find are odd, and they went odd all of a sudden a week or so ago.
“http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6580387/image/62088520-iranians-working-at-zirconium-production-plant”
“Esfahan (Isfahan)
Zirconium Production Plant
The Zirconium Production Plant (ZPP) was established at Esfahan ostensibly for the production of cladding and grid spacer materials for nuclear reactors as part of Iran’s drive for complete fuel cycle independance. The main products as of July 2008 were nuclear grade Zirconium sponge (50 tones per year), nuclear grade Zirconium alloys tube (10 tones per year), and nuclear grade Zirconium alloys strip and bar (2 tones per year). Magnesium (100 tones per year) and Hafnium Oxide (5 tones per year) were produced at the ZPP as byproducts of the Zirconium production process.
The production facilities at the ZPP were also to be used for the production of pure Magnesium, Zirconium alloys, Titanium and its alloys, the casting of Ferrous and non-Ferrous metals, and the forming of Stainless Steel, Ferrous and non-Ferrous metals. 63 percent pure Zircon was said to be the plant’s primary raw resource product.”
Perhaps they needed some of Molliers expertise in perfecting production?
“It now appears as though a worldwide superinjunction is in place”
It’s a dead story, imagine how many people get shot in America every day?
It’s only news in England and France.
French and UK governments lean on the press, and story’s gone, public have forgotten.
Dopey a week or so ago = when British Police joined forces.
Perhaps Crimewatch will do the whole hour on it next month. ROFL.
From a little further afield on 30/9/12:-
http://antg.cand.com.vn/vi-VN/hosointepol/2012/10/79083.cand
You speak many languages Strawberry !
Y
3 Oct, 2012 – 9:58 pm
“As I have said before if the government really wanted to censor the press on this matter they would take out a super injunction. Even super injunctions are broken by the press and they are not binding to the Scottish press or foreign publictions.”
British super injunctions are binding also for foreign media. I posted a link before, in which the Swedish editor in chief of the newspaper “Expressen” wrote that they recently recieved a super injunction from a British Court. It was not re the al-Hilli case, but you can be sure that super injunctions are issued and valid outside UK.
The Swedish press has been very quiet re the al-Hilli case. Normally it would be a top story as there are strong connections to Sweden. I can´t see any other reason for the silence, that there is a super injunction valid for Swdedish press, re the al-Hilli case.
“that there is a super injunction valid for Swdedish press”
You can’t have that. Did the Scotsman newspaper blow that one away with Ryan Giggs (Manschester United football palyer) and his affair.
So..what’s bigger than a “S I” or a DA Notice…?
Nothing. If “they all” say nada, then it’s case closed.
Even the Israeli strike on Baghdad got leaked the day after (and got leaked before !).
I think they have “lessons learnt” here.
Infact…if I was a family member (Swedish side or “English” side) I would be jumping around.
But they are not. Why is that ????
James
Yes my thoughts too. Why are the family so quiet? Then again maybe they’re terrified. Terrified, and told not to speak to the press.
@Thomas
British super injunctions are not binding to foreign press.
There are a very few limited instances where contra-mundum injunctions have been taken out usually to protect individuals from harm eg. Venables and Thomson and Maxine Carr.
As I understand it the world wide nature of this form of injunction only holds to English subjects and English publications
If aware of these orders foreign press and journalists may observe them for the very reason they were issued in the first place – to protect individuals from harm – not because they have any legally binding effect on them.
You can read more about contra mundum super injunctions here:
http://thetrialwarrior.com/2011/04/25/debunking-the-myth-of-the-contra-mundum-injunction-order/
@straw44berry
Someone posted a link to French TV station tv8montblanc which did a ‘one month on’ piece either today or yesterday. I guess TV8 didn’t get the memo!
Dopey…
Or it has been “explained” to them ?
This has to be the most bizarre muder case in modern history.
No news whatsoever ??? It would “look” like it was an “open and closed” case…by the way it has been handled.
Dopey
One thing is… Iran dont want a war, nor the US.
But some do.
Was he working for DMCii …and passing info to Syria or the PKK