The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
…hence “everyone gets dragged into a war” that way ?
Feck knows, but I can not “get this”.
Quiet.
Everyone must be off watching the Jimmy Savile fiddy kiddling documentary…Anders will have got popcorn in.
Well, there *has* been a tweet from a journalist complaining of injunctions in this case… Can’t remember the details now but the original poster will probably remember?
Re the D Notice, OK Y, have it your way, you’re being so picky it’s not worth the argument. Personally I prefer the idea that the Air Vice Marshall sent out a letter to the editors mentioning the 4 forbidden fruits, but if you don’t buy it, then so be it.
In a way, that’s not even the point. The author of that note had to be a fucking prophet if it didn’t have a basis in reality.
By the way, where have all the references to Iran gone? Mrs Al Hilli (Al Saffar) was reported as being Iranian by birth, yes? And the papers said Mr AH had visited Qom in Oct 2011 for a pilgrimage? Where have all these gone?
@Straw @Anders
Thanks for the encouragement re the SAH/nuclear weapons research angle.
😀
I’m getting somewhere now but I want to draw some more threads together before I publish…
Anders, cheers. Longstanding football injury. Knees are very badly designed imo.
I know it’s off-topic but check out 12:30min onwards if you’re interested in Jersey. Posted on the Icke forum (can’t believe I’d ever write that!).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJMscjluVwM
Operation Ore seems odd too. Very well managed. Seems there may be some very worried people around.
I’ll be honest, I’m pessimistic about the al-hilli case getting solved any time soon. But there are several BIG cases over the last few years where the BBC have been lacking , to an almost dangerous degree.
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Re Sylvain Mollier and his role at Cezus/Ugine…
Peter, you didn’t publish a source for your “chef de production” quote, but I can only find one.
However there were (are?) two early sources which described him as a “métallurgiste”.
I can’t in my mind reconcile these two roles: one is the head of production, the other is a technical specialist in the properties of metals.
I would lend more credence to early sources myself as they are usually un-doctored, also where there are more sources (particularly if early) I think these tend to outweigh later ones, esp if they are single references.
So I would be sceptical of that “chef de production” thing unless more references can be found.
Dopey..
Cheers (time difference here, so I didn’t remember !).
Sat on….and watching.
A classic BBC “he puts cash in the bank for us, so it’s fine” cover up,
@Y
http://bloggar.expressen.se/thomasmattsson/2012/08/censuren-drabbar-de-aktiva-redaktionerna/
This is written by the Editor in Chief of the third largest newspaper in Sweden in August 2012, translated by google:
“Last Thursday, I wrote here about “Censorship in England against the Swedish media,” and the background was to Expressen contacted by a British law firm who kindly wanted to warn us to publish certain information about a recent court case. It sounds good, given that Expressen just like any other mainstream media are trying to relate to the law, but the contact did not feel as generous as we could conclude that it was a “injunction”.
(“Injunctions” is an injunction from a court that prohibits the media to report something. Sometimes there are also so-called “super injunctions”, which even makes it illegal to report that there is a publication ban.)
This is as interesting as outrageous as prior censorship in England arguably comprise a magazine published in Sweden, but I also get questions about why I did not tell you more in my blog post? Among other things, asked this reporter in an interview here: “Expressen warned by the English justice system”
I say partly as a journalist:
“I chose not to specify which case it’s all about in my blog post, for fear of contributing to raising awareness of the specific order. This is because the court says that it includes all who know it, but consequently, not others.
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In the notice, written actually bluntly that it’s ok to reproduce the data already published, but it may not be the first with them. You may not even seek information in question: even researching is illegal.”
Jim’ll fix it for me…and me and me and me and especially you !
Just posted re Sylvain Mollier, awaiting moderation…
Now re zirconium smuggling to Iran…
Hardly likely to get you “offed” by Mossad.
There was a huge shipment of Zr that got stopped by customs somewhere in the balkans, wasn’t it? It was from the UK and got clearance after calls were made to the UK.
Again, hopefully the original poster can help here.
Also, consider e.g. the Tinner’s who were arrested and put on trial for smuggling nuclear shit to Iran.
I think whatever SAH & SM were up to, it was more than your average smuggling op. Something that involved wiping out information… knowledge… know-how…
And, how much Zr could SAH carry in his BMW??? Not exactly a shed load… and would he put it in his checked bags, or hand luggage on the plane out of Geneva? Not exactly a likely plan…
Ferret…
Sa’ad didn’t like flying.
If the “trip to France in December” is true….
You’re welcome James. (What did I do?)
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“I recall pundits saying that the conflict in Libya was about its water, as much as its oil.” – Q
Well if it was, NATO made sure to smash the marvellous engineering wonder that Gadaffi was responsible for.
Libyans like to call the Great Man-Made River “The eighth wonder of the world”.
This was a war crime (not that NATO gives a shit about those anymore – when it’s themselves who carry them out.)
http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/27/great-man-made-river-nato-bombs/
I felt sick when it happened.
Gadaffi’s great “crime” was to try for Pan-African unity and produce a new currency based on the dinar.
Anyway, me for bed. ZZZzzzzzz
Re Sylvain Mollier and his role at Cezus/Ugine…
There were (are?) two early sources which described him as a “métallurgiste”, not “chef de production”.
So sounds to me more of a scientific specialist than a production guy.
Cezus/Ugine has an R&D lab, I think this might be *the* R&D lab for the whole of Areva as they don’t mention any other on their website.
Nuid
Prev article posted. Very interesting.
@Ferret
“By the way, where have all the references to Iran gone? Mrs Al Hilli (Al Saffar) was reported as being Iranian by birth, yes? And the papers said Mr AH had visited Qom in Oct 2011 for a pilgrimage? Where have all these gone?”
The only references to Iqbal being Iranian that I have seen have been on Anorak.com quoting the Times of 6.9.212 and from The Australian.
The Anorak.com article is still there – they obviously haven’t received the memo either.
I am not a subscriber to the Times so can’t say if the article is accurately quoted are has been subsequently edited.
What do The Times and The Austrlian have in common? Perhaps they share sources and information too.
The French media have consistently said that Iqbal was Iraqi born, indeed they go as far as to say she was born in Baghdad like her husband. See my post from sometime yesterday evening for sources.
The only references I have seen to Al Hilli visiting Qom say it was posted to Indymedia znd then edited out. I can’t find any references saying it was reported in newspapers.
Good night Nuid.
Anders, thanks for the reminder of SAH’s array of computers, now that’s a very interesting thing, not many people need more than one, do they…
And thanks for the link Q, not sure quite how it fits into the picture but interesting all the same…
@ ferret
Some of the computers could perhaps be explained away in that he worked from home and the house was an “extended family” home. If Saad was there, Zaid and Iqbal they may have had one each, two each if they had desktops and laptops. Overkill I know, but feasible I suppose.
The £20k PC mentioned – heap loads of software loaded onto it, and Saad bragging for effect to Aked?
I’m on my own laptop. My work laptop is a few feet away. I have a desktop upstairs and another laptop behind my sofa – both of the these last two aren’t used anymore but, since I do have three laptops and a desktop in the house and live on my own, I can kind of see how he might have “accumulated” a few….then there’s James with his three VPNs 😉
That doesn’t rule out there might have been dodgy goings on with all of Saad’s computers either though.
@Ferret
3 Oct, 2012 – 11:39 pm
The Iranians need 65% zirconium. The zirconium that was stopped in Balkan/Turkey was not of that quality.
The Iranians need the kind of quality that Molliers company probably could supply.
“Among the equipment on display was a zirconium powder and metal used in nuclear reactors as a protective layer for fuel rods. The Iranians claim they received a powder with 25% instead of 65% which could sabotage the uranium enrichment process.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4286162,00.html
The article is worth reading.
You see, I also question this “20 GBP” computers.
Just looking around my desk…and I guess I don’t have “20K’s worth”.
I do have VPN’s…as I travel alot….and it’s good to watch UK TV through !
But did Sa’ad have 20k’s worth ?
And I keep coming back to “the companies” ? Where was he ? What did he do ?
@Y
You’re not searching very hard, are you?
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran.
– Craig Murray
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum
The Anorak.com article is still there – they obviously haven’t received the memo either.
Har har har… so anorak.com is a UK-based mainstream media outlet now, is it?
😀
Give me a break.
What you’re struggling with is the fact that not only the Times has pulled it’s Iranian quote, but so has all the rest of the mainstream media.
Which would seem to indicate that someone doesn’t want them to report the Iranian connection.
Now where have I heard that before?
And The Dily Mil reported the trip to France in December.
Where did they get that from ?
And why did they stop reporting on it ???
It has to be the “Def Ad” notice. So why did they do that ?
Did Aked not say that Saad had one particular computer that was worth £20k?
He must have had a hell of a lot of pricey software on it. How much is professional auto CAD software?
The Iranians need 65% zirconium. The zirconium that was stopped in Balkan/Turkey was not of that quality.
Source?
In any case, that’s as maybe, but remind me, how much zirconium was SAH going to smuggle to Iran in his BMW? And how much do you need in a nuclear reactor?
And worth noting that other smugglers don’t get shot dead in a hail of bullets…
This is another kettle of fish altogether.
He used a rear upstairs room to house four computers and a laptop worth up to £20,000 which he used to write his beliefs in Arabic forums. Saad also had a number of other PCs in an outside shed which Gary helped to build.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315
dopey
4 Oct, 2012 – 12:16 am
He must have had a hell of a lot of pricey software on it. How much is professional auto CAD software?
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The modelling software I use (Architectural) could cost up £15k for only a one or two man team. That’s if it’s all licensed and legal. I imagine the hardware he’d use would be more powerful but my comp at work would have been a couple of grand.
Dopey
How much is professional auto CAD software.
I have the “write downs” on the Co accs (Shtech) so I’ll look.
Oddly, (I dont want to spell this out) but someone else had a hell of a lot of “write downs”…and hence a loss in that Co !
Not odd…but his acc was good. And Held alot in an Fx Acc !
30K write downs ! Last accs
and several hundred K in the HiFx acc. Just to confirm
“several hundred K” Hundred Thousand K
He would also have an “old” BA contract, which would be good.
By the way, not sure what zirconium’s got to do with enrichment, what I read on Cezus/Areva’s website is that it’s used for fuel rod casings because it allows the neutrons from the enriched fuel to pass through with almost no loss. To get zirconium of sufficient purity, though, the hafnium (which always accompanies the zirconium in the ore) has to be removed – and this is the difficult bit, so I understand. Hafnium is almost impenetrable to neutrons (so would ruin a fuel rod casing, even in tiny quantities) but is useful for control rods in a nuclear reactor (i.e. when you want to slow the reactor down).
I wonder how many mobile phones he had. Of the two found in the car the natural assumption would be that one of them was Iqbals, but perhaps both were actually his.